The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suppose you aren't thinking of selecting someone with pizza-ish tendencies for the delightful and cheesy task of burning the WOGbait players at the stake... after which, with only a plastic picnic spoon and a large drum of barbecue sauce, I will feed everyone here a meal they will not soon forget?

And yes, I think that was a question. I always liked the idea of inquisitions, heretic burnings, and tossing the witches into the lakes and rivers and streams. If I were Chief of Police, I'd build a hydroelectric dam out of discarded witch bodies. There's just something delightfully macabre about groupthink from the dark ages leading to mob justice. Mmmm... toasty and painful.

Sometimes I question your sanity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What exactly are you doing the rest of the time?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

What exactly are you doing the rest of the time?

His ongoing re-design of Osaka Castle to incorporate the best Western siege features without ruining the overal aesthetic.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

His ongoing re-design of Osaka Castle to incorporate the best Western siege features without ruining the overal aesthetic.

[Chaotix]

Hm... I should really make a habit of Abstaining after posts that I make during the day phase that are not votes. As it is, I am 5 hours too late, but I likely would not have voted decisively anyway.

Honestly, the first person who comes to mind while considering the "lifting" of a write-up is seireikhaan. Mostly because he's a sneaky . (I mean this in a good way )

Unfortunately, he's dead.

And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.

My third guess would be Reenk, based on his previous use of already-established material in his Watcher posts of Fillet Royale.

It does not seem to me that Gaius would have lifted his own write-up and then pointed it out afterwards as a clue. If he had done that, it probably would have been Night 1, as well. And even then- as he's said, Gaius only has 3 or 4 more write-ups to choose from. If he kept using them, he'd run out eventually and have to start writing them from scratch, at which point we would probably notice that the new write-ups are shockingly similar to the old ones in style.

[Beefy187]

That lynching reminds me.. How Lord Winter whined about him being lynched in almost all the revolutionary games just for him being called the "Lord"

I guess we'll find out if you were guilty or not...

EDIT: Shlins starting to scare me... Can't lynching be more peaceful like feeding him 100 icecreams and making him fat or something?

[Askthepizzaguy]

And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.

Yeah, I would be capable of something like that, yes. I often lurk in dead threads collecting information. However, I prefer to be creative and bold with my strategies, not cowardly or ripping people off to mask my writing style. I can easily speak as though I have difficulty spelling, and I can write in a British style which would mask my Yankee origins. That being said, I am not the mafia in this game. I could easily have left several hours ago to avoid being questioned, like certain suspects of mine have.

Your suspicion of me seems genuine, not forced. As such;

Halo of Innocence: Chaotix27

I don't mind being made a suspect for what appears to be legitimate reasoning. But rest assured, a weak case against me always shows up on my scum detection, falsely or not.

I don't buy that Gaius is in any way cleared of my suspicions because of the unlikeliness or irrationality behind using his own murder writeups. As a mafia, sometimes I go out of my way to do something that doesn't necessarily follow from pure logic, because that makes the motivations difficult to detect. To me, unless Gaius' behavior in-thread improves from speculation without conclusion, multiple reasonless votes, and skipping out on questioning, he's very much a suspect to me. And a creative mafia would definitley do something that doesn't make sense on the surface, and it does not necessarily follow that just because it didn't happen night one that it still couldn't be his strategy.

Mafia will try to throw you off by doing the unexpected and the irrational, if they are any good at it. And regardless of whether it might fit GSC's personal play style, a mafia veteran is likely among the 3 scums who could formulate a deceptively bizarre strategy to throw us off.


Besides, if I were mafia, would I do this???

"Hey, whassa matta, you look-a so hungry, maybe Don Pizzaguy will bake you a hot and fresh-a pizza to make you feel better after the death of your-a friends. Excuse me while-a I wash-a my bloody hands-a."

Then again, I might do that. However, if you're going to lynch me for silly reasons, I'd prefer you do it sooner rather than later. Gives you more time to regroup and look for other suspects when you're wrong. And it's dumb strategy for me to self-incriminate myself with no heat on me, so soon, and in such a big game. Better would be for the mafia to kill me, which would seemingly clear me of suspicion, and then I can be an evil manipulative zombie.

Oh please mister mafia, kill me. Pretty please? I am begging you to end my life. I did nasty things to your daughter in front of her catholic priest, so you need to defend your honor and kill me, you spineless cowards! You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with your silenced weapons, maybe that's why you do these silly pranks with water and knives.

Besides, you scumbags don't have the cojones to kill me.

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Unnecessary WIFOM self-incrimination complete, preparing to be lynched.

Have-a some pizza.

[LittleGrizzly]

Cranium Of Insanity ATPG!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I can help disprove that Chaotix has a vendetta against Reenk, and show that Reenk is being paranoid and overly defensive. But my lynch shlin28 suggestion stands, give Reenk the benefit of doubt for 1 round. He needs to explain himself though.


Chaotix very early fingers Reenk, but drops his case entirely, and it was a suggestion with other suspects, too.

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Hm... I should really make a habit of Abstaining after posts that I make during the day phase that are not votes. As it is, I am 5 hours too late, but I likely would not have voted decisively anyway.

Honestly, the first person who comes to mind while considering the "lifting" of a write-up is seireikhaan. Mostly because he's a sneaky . (I mean this in a good way )

Unfortunately, he's dead.

And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.

My third guess would be Reenk, based on his previous use of already-established material in his Watcher posts of Fillet Royale.

It does not seem to me that Gaius would have lifted his own write-up and then pointed it out afterwards as a clue. If he had done that, it probably would have been Night 1, as well. And even then- as he's said, Gaius only has 3 or 4 more write-ups to choose from. If he kept using them, he'd run out eventually and have to start writing them from scratch, at which point we would probably notice that the new write-ups are shockingly similar to the old ones in style.

Next, he doesn't even mention Reenk.

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Well, thank you. I am flattered to think that others actually consider me to be a halfway decent mafia player. In actuality, I believe I've only won a single game as mafia. (although I did come pretty close and fool FactionHeir in Resident Evil...)

Back on topic:

Sigurd is lurking, whether or not he admits it, and this does concern me. However, what may make him look slightly more innocent is the fact that he has been lurking in YLC's mafia game as well- this leads me to believe that he is much less active perhaps for real-life reasons rather than him being scum. This is not to say he couldn't be scum anyway, though.

While I would love to just jump on a bandwagon and vote either Sigurd or YLC now, I realize that I may very well not show up to change it later once the situation turns my extra vote into a lynch decider. For that reason, I will instead vote: Glyphz for lurking and (hopefully) be back later once I make up my mind.

Next, he doesn't mention Reenk again, as YLC is the prime suspect.

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YLC, why bother signing up and playing the game in the first place if you're just going to be uncooperative and try to get yourself killed? It's a waste of a sign-up, and now this is going to be a waste of a lynch, too, because the mafia is getting of scot-free this round.

All the attention's drawn onto you, and the mafia doesn't have to hide at all, because their behavior, even is poor, would probably make them look like saints standing next your general behavior in the thread. I generally don't like to go and bash players like this, but for this game at least you are worse than useless because of all of your deliberate WIFOM and self-votes and suicidal tendencies. Do you even want your side to win? Mafia or Town, you're not doing a very good job of helping your team.

Unvote, Vote: YLC

Now you must die, and next round we can get back to lynching mafiosi.

Next, Chaotix follows up on YLC again. No mention of Reenk at all.

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A truly poor player would be one who doesn't try to improve. As long as you are actively pursuing your victory condition, you are decent enough in my book- this here is me paraphrasing your own words. Regardless, I am not criticizing you as a player, but only your performance this game.

Honestly, what it looks like here is that you are very busy- you simply have no time to play this game as well as manage your own game and deal with real-life issues as well. Believe me when I say I have been in this position before, where you literally can't spare ten minutes without sacrificing doing something else.

If this is the case, there are better ways of removing yourself from the game then trying to get yourself lynched. You are too innocent to waste a lynch on, but you have also made yourself too suspicious to be left a few turns for the WoG. If you are truly town, then you should pm GH explaining why you can't play anymore, and suicide. That way, you've confirmed yourself innocent, you don't have to play anymore, we don't have to worry about you possibly lurking along and being mafia, and most of all, we still get a lynch for today, instead of it being used to kill you off. This is the best course of action.

MUCH LATER: Chaotix points out how scummy and nervous sounding Reenk's defense was. Which it was. It was very suspicious and very nervous sounding, far too defensive. But that alone isn't proof.

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Geez, ATPG, talk about an insane wall of text! How long did it take you to write that, three hours or so? It took me an hour to read it and all the posts following it. I applaud you for your effort, and it looks like this analysis will be a lot of help to us for this game. For this game, at least, your usefulness and helpfulness have far outweighed the sometimes-annoying quantity of your posts.

To YLC:
I probably should have figured you were all just playing mind games with us. You certainly like to do that sort of thing, what with the mafia games you've been hosting lately...
But don't think you're off the radar just yet. Whether you meant the words in those last posts or not, it's WIFOM if you try to use that as your innocence case.

And now:


Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

Reenk's second defense, which starts to be defensive towards Chaotix's accusations.

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I abstain courteously () in the first round out of respect to a tradition. I only rarely will abstain later in the game unless for some reason (such as trying for a no lynch or really nobody to vote for).



I voiced strong opinions on both Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so that's untrue. I have nothing against the town questioning and examining, just Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so yet another false charge. Why is this Chaotix?

I voted for him because he's a threat to me. He's certainly not confirmed innocent by the way, I just feel he's 1) a detriment to me and 2) a detriment to the town at the moment by going after an innocent (me).



TinCow was awfully insistent that he was confirmed innocent and that a dead innocent's analysis would not be misleading. Both statements have been shown to be very suspect.

And these "logical parts" would be? TinCow had said earlier that Askthepizzaguy's "points on Reenk Roink and TevashSzat are well-analyzed, well-argued, and consistent." However, he never elaborated on this, and neither are you. I at least provided refutations to his charges as did TevashSzat.

Now, the first one may be true, if by "well-analyzed" you mean Askthepizzaguy did a lot of analysis. It however, has no bearing on the quality, which after reading through it I think is poor.

"Well argued" I'd flat out disagree with. The only thing Askthepizzaguy has is impressing SOME people with a lot of text. Some other people will be either put off or intimidated by it though. As for the quality itself, it's heavily based on old Mafia cliches ("third on the bandwagon" - I mean are you serious?) and

Saying it is "consistent" is the most damning part and makes me think either TinCow didn't read it carefully, didn't understand what he read, or just thinks I should be lynched for whatever reason, substance of Askthepizzaguy's post be damned.

Let me expose to you many inconsistencies of different types:

1) External inconsistencies:

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Atpg says I "made a serious grab for Police Chief AND he got several people to vote for him, possibly others nominating him so he wouldn't appear suspect."

This is quite untrue when actually examining the voting for CoP, and looks even worse when Atpg himself was one of the bandwagoners for my election while I myself made the decisive vote to give it to shlin.

Askthepizzaguy also called the third on the bandwagon the "safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe"

If this is such a safe move, why is it on the Mafia FAQ and why is it used so frequently as a case? Sorry Atpg, try somewhere else...

2) Internal inconsistencies:

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Well let's just have a field day with this shall we:

"Are you avoiding me, Reenk? You never have before. You talk more. You joke more. You think your votes through more. You try harder."

In many other places Atpg calls out my activity and questions why I don't put more reasoning in my votes. He wants me to talk and explain myself

And yet he also makes this case against me:

"Explains himself without being prompted to. Guilty much, Reenk?"



Don't get me started on the jokes. Let's take a look at how many joke posts Atpg himself names:

Post 50: Self-incriminating joke. "I am the Godfather." He does stuff like this when he's guilty, too.

Post 126: "I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy."
Sounds like a joke, but he seriously seems to want the job.

386: "Vote: Seamus Fermanagh. He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia."
Now I trust Seamus Fermanagh too. Half-hearted, half-joking defense likely to not be detected as scummy. "He is probably Mafia"? explain how, Reenk.

388: "I put you in power and will remove you if need be."
Joke post, half-threatening, but not really. He's prompting the CoP to be more active. Well, Reenk, why don't YOU be more active, too? Saving your verbosity for the endgame?

And more. I mean if you actually read his case, EVERY SINGLE ACTION I MAKE IS CONSTRUED IN A EXPLANATORY THEORY THAT MAKES IT SERVE SOME GUILTY PURPOSE - FURTHERMORE MANY OF THESE THEORIES ARE INCOMPATIBLE.

A case that has examples of play leading to a conclusion, or one that has a predetermined opinion and then makes everything into examples of it? You make the call...



Ok...

The only great thing is that the Mafia will probably kill Atpg (and maybe you) to make me look guilty, but it's good because they are actually doing me a favor (I can dodge the suspicion and ensure a victory for Beefy and I )

Chaotix asks a legit question. Why is it so important that Reenk lives?

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Reenk: Just what exactly is so great about you staying alive, anyway?

You act as if ATPG is personally out to get you here, when really he's just following through with what SkyNet tells him. And then, it's not just ATPG either. Your last couple of posts have been absolutely full of scummy-sounding sentences that anyone would call you out on.

You also act as if your death will cause the loss of the game. The only thing you lose by being dead, if you do not have a role, is your vote. There is nothing saying you cannot post your wild sense of humor, or your suspicions against others (of which you have done remarkably little this game except against TinCow the very nearly proven innocent). You can even defend Beefy, still, if you truly believe he must be defended at this point in the game. Why, then, do you suggest it is so important to you that you remain alive?

I will not remove my vote from you. I see nothing significantly incriminating in either Tevash or ATPG, and I will remain uninvolved in deciding a lynch between them.


Seireikhaan: What is so important to winning this game that you have to spoon-feed it to us in riddles rather than just telling us already? Who do you think the mafia is and why?

Reenk's defense again makes no sense to me. He obviously DOES want to be kept alive, but he openly denies that's his motive. The heat on him at this point was minimal, yet he's still in panic mode. He had what, ONE vote on him? Seriously... let it go, man.

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I don't think it's important for me to stay alive. Again Chaotix with the false attributions. You may vote for me all you want. You have no case to do so however.

I really think that people who are criticizing me are probably Mafia using me as a scapegoat. We can indulge them for awhile though, we have the upper hand.

I find it funny how despite all of the energy Atpg has focused against me, his case has failed to persuade most, except you and TinCow and drawn suspicion on himself. I like Atpg, I encourage him to have fun in these games and do his thing, but I should also have my fun and criticize his system also, no?

And if you don't think it's not out to get me I advise you to re read his case, it is filled it caustic comments (unlike say Kommodus with a similar system who gave a fairly "objective" if you can call it that summary of my posting changes,) very unobjective - for Godsake SkyNet is HIS SYSTEM with HIS OPINIONS - of course he's doing what it tells him to do).

This post is for easy reference so others can follow what transpired between Reenk and Chaotix. If I missed anything, point it out. I still think shlin28 is a better lynch than Reenk, but I think we can conclude Reenk needs to go before the game is over... that's my analysis anyway. But what do I know? I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective.

[White_eyes:D]

I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective.

ATPG...ask yourself....would a guy with any kind of role, other then townie....just pick-up and leave and not even defend himself?? (I know I wouldn't....)

Edit:and I see you just picked up and left....

[shlin28]

Meh, lynch me if you think I suck at being the CoP. (I don't mind because I just sent GH the most awsomest lynch write-up everz )

If I could vote and it is day, I would totally vote: shlin28.

G'day y'all!

*fires pistol into the air in commiseration of my death*

To ATPG:

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He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent"

You "ordered" me to "surrender" on MY profile page? Real friendly... And that was barely an argument, I replied with two sentences, both in a clearly jokey manner. An "argument"? I think not.

So what if I replied with a simple "NEVER!!!!!!!!!!"? Should I just surrender and stop defending Tevash against what I percieve as a flawed argument? (I don't trust SkyNet at all). If I suddenly stopped and changed side, I would have been suspicious anyway, as Tincow pointed out. (See his argument about me changing side later and thus suspicious)

He's skipped out on questioning.

It was a morning in the weekend... should I stayed all the way till the afternoon to argue back and forth?

Bad, bad CoP

Note: CoPs have basically no powers and acts as an invincible townie. I'm just doing what when I am a townie does.

and what in the world is wrong with a 20 minute breakfast?

The above is NOT a defence, I'm just a bit... unsettled by what ATPG is saying 'bout me. That's all.

Edit: My super evil prediction about who is mafia:

Henchmen: ATPG + Sasaki
Godfather: Taka or White Eyes probably.