Ok, there's some points I think I could explain more fully:

First: Why would ATPG and/or YLC vote to lynch there own partner? Well, I have a reputation for being tenacious and good at convincing people, and I was going after Lord Winter pretty hard. Lord Winter was not successfully defending himself. When you're mafia, the fact that you know your partners are guilty always colors your perception of the game. There are many times I've been very anxious over a post one of my partners made that I thought would give them away only to have it ignored. So by that view, it's quite possible that LW's partners pessimistically considered him as good as dead.

Second: YLC's behavior yesterday. I described this poorly in my last post. I meant to get at the disconnect between his first post after the accusation, and the rest of his posts.

Quote Originally Posted by YLC
And? So?

Vote: YLC

I don't think I will be able to contribute much at all anymore, I've been progressively getting busier. Easier to lynch me now while the opportunity stands. I don't think any of you will have a problem with this since it will be easy enough for me to come back, dead or alive, and still contribute at a later date.
This post: Voting himself, won't be able to post much because he's busy, will come back and contribute later.

Rest of posts: obviously not that busy, specifically says that he's a spiteful townie and will try to hurt the town if lynched, changes vote to sigurd.

Third: ATPG's case on Curio. 8 posts, several of them very long. He persistently questions Curio and accuses him of hiding. I don't think I'll get into the meat of ATPG's accusation but it is poor logic--thought not as bad as his case on shlin. After all that, he switches to Lord Winter with this post:

Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
I've re-examined the evidence on Lord Winter, and his writing style is... well, improper enough to fit the supposed profile of one of the murder writers, who may have had to pull from previous games in order to cover up his style.


Lord Winter is also a veteran, from the ancient era.

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The ancient era, by the way, was that big long period of peace and quiet before Askthepizzaguy wandered into the gameroom.

As such, he meets the profile of someone who could fish out kill descriptions from previous mafia games (a strategy a newbie would not come up with, most likely) and someone who may have difficulty masking his writing.

I'll leave GSC alone for one round, and go for Lord Winter.

Unvote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Vote: Lord Winter
Reason: His writing style could match one of the killers.

His later thoughts on Lord Winter:

Lord Winter: I'm having second thoughts, but the low activity and veteran status combined with sort of a low-key play style and the spelling stuff means that if we just totally overlook him as a top suspect, we aren't doing a very thorough job.

I'd think that the mafia, as a team, however, would catch Lord Winter's writing style before it makes it to print... possibly, perhaps, not even choosing him as a grunt to begin with due to GH's lack of editing. All this is speculation.

And I don't think Sigurd should ever be allowed to lurk again. If not Lord Winter, go ahead and string him up.

I'd be willing to take my vote off of Lord Winter as well, but I don't know... Sigurd has been mafia a LOT lately... making him a grunt is a bad choice. Especially if he lurks. They must think we are total morons to pick Sigurd and have him lurk again. I have doubts it's Sigurd for like, what is it, 4th time in a row? That being said, he's not particularly helpful, and I refuse to lose to a lurker again.
The vote count at the time was Lord Winter 4, Sigurd 2.

This is all open to interpretation. My view is that atpg faked the case on curio, decided to lynch his buddy and came up with a wishy washy reason for it, and then had thoughts of switching to sigurd but decided not to.

Fourth: ATPG current suspects.

Ignoramus: Lynch soon, no recommendation to investigate. Lurker.
Ignoramus always lurks and is usually WoG. Not a "soon" lynch in my book.

Reenk Roink: Lynch priority. Possible scumbag or Godfather due to his CoP run and second-thoughts leading to the drop out. Too tempting for the veteran players not to recruit him. He's the perfect mafioso and he's brilliant as I said. Low key in his own Reenky way.
This is his summary, and it has problems of its own--no one cares about being CoP and there are plenty of veteran players to recruit--but look at the full case for more fun, here's some snippets:

He sees a chance to off Sasaki and he is THIRD ON THE BANDWAGON ON SASAKI, with no pressure on him. Safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe.
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An awful lot of thought on this topic, eh, Reenk? And who would you suggest you'd pick "if you were mafia", if you WERE mafia?
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Reenk is DEAD CENTER in the post count list. The perfect mafia hiding place if you're avoiding the bottom and CANNOT pass as a lurker. And by my count, he's quieter than usual.
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Votes Sigurd... and he reminisces about previous mafia games and gives them a pat on the back. Scummy, scummy, scummy in my book.
My reaction to this is: what?? Seriously. I wouldn't say reenk is innocent but this is what he plays like, and these reasons of atpg's are nonsense.

On Tevash, this seems to be the meat of atpg's accusation:

Post 390: Right in the middle of the post count list. How convenient to avoid being lynched for lurking, but to avoid detection.

399: "I don't find these writeup analysis to be particularly powerful evidence since they could be relatively easily forged by the mafiosos given the revelation that the second one was taken from another game. As such, the analysis so far, IMO, only leads to WIFOM"

Suggests analysis is futile, after half-hearted attempts at analysis. The futility, the lack of energy, the lack of controversy, the lack of suspects, the lack of will, the lack of decisiveness. All say scum to me, and Tevash is no slouch. He's slouching here.
In the middle of the list--null tell. And how is tevash's perfectly legitimate point about the writeup analysis scummy? He's right if you ask me, the writeup analysis is just wifom. You can hardly attack tevash for not going after mafia hard and fast when hardly anyone in the game has.

Fifth: Reposting my original case on YLC:

If we do make the assumption that Lord Winter was mafia (which I would be inclined to believe), then a couple people start to look scummy. First is YLC.

Connection with Lord Winter: possible anxious response upon my questioning of Lord Winter. The set of posts are linked to in this post of his. His accusation is that Lord Winter and I are inventing something to argue over. He appears to stand quite strongly behind this accusation, and leads of the next day of voting with a vote for me. In that light his abandonment of his case and the reversal of his previous position is suspicious. His vote tied lord winter with me. Now, the mafia know that after one of them is lynched it will be revealed to a certain extent the next day (the town will still have to consider that it is a mafia trick). So under what circumstances would they attack a partner in order to make themselves look more innocent? This part doesn't look too bad for YLC. Lord Winter was not a guaranteed lynch, YLC's vote contributed significantly to his lynching. But that is in hindsight. At the time, who know how many votes LW was going to get?

The other mark against YLC comes from the tiebreaker voting. He seemed to be in a hurry to end the tiebreaker. When he thought it was a revote he wanted me lynched, when he thought it was a runoff and his vote would end it he switched to Seamus. He voted Seamus again in the 2nd tiebreak of sorts. His reasoning for these votes is sketchy, something about a "little voice in his head" and my post about lord winter.

In summary, his reasoning behind his votes is scant and his willingness to string anyone up and completely reverse his position is scummy, and becomes doubly so if we assume Lord Winter was mafia.

After writing this out I'm tempted to ignore the patient approach and vote for ylc now, but I think I'll wait to see what he says before deciding that.



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In summary I don't think either of these two can be considered trustworthy--they both need to be lynched imo.



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