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    OK, so I'm going to be nice and somewhat validate all the work Askthepizzaguy did.

    I went back and actually looked at your long post instead of just going on skimming what other people said you said about me.

    I believe Reenk Roink could be mafia. He's devious enough to stay alive long enough to cause us damage. He's inscrutable. He's wacky and insane. He may have come up with the idea to mask the writing styles and borrow from previous games. He voted for Sasaki. He made a serious grab for Police Chief AND he got several people to vote for him, possibly others nominating him so he wouldn't appear suspect. I know that casts doubt on me but you know... *sigh*
    OK first of all I didn't make any grabs for Chief of Police at all, it was thrown on me. I thought it would be funny if I could do the writeups but shlin wanted to be CoP badly and he actually had enough support behind it so I gave it to him. This is absolutely untrue.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Post 50: Self-incriminating joke. "I am the Godfather." He does stuff like this when he's guilty, too.

    Post 113: Poses innocent-sounding question. "What does Chief of Police get to do anyway?" He's a mafia veteran and he should know this (I think... could be wrong)

    Post 115: "Why is the town getting rid of my vote? Ah hell, voting is useless anyway, and I can be courteous without it. Elect: Reenk Roink"
    Eager to survive to the endgame and he does usually abstain anyway.

    Post 126: "I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy."
    Sounds like a joke, but he seriously seems to want the job.

    Post 151: "Hmm, I was thinking of actually campaigning for this job (I would give most excellent Wanax writeups), but if shlin wants it, he may have it. Elect: shlin28 I request my followers to do the same and thank the ones with good intentions (think it is 9-7 shlin now)."
    Changes his mind very late. Perhaps the high chance of being lynched eventually as Police Chief convinced you to abandon the strategy... or perhaps it was your mafia brethren demanding you keep your voting power.

    Nothing Page 3. People murdered are Mafia Veterans.

    246: "One of the reasons I gave up my claims to becoming the Po was to continue this noble tradition of abstaining, courteously"
    Explains himself without being prompted to. Guilty much, Reenk?

    300: Corrects flaw in tally but does not add to the discussion, he's usually talkative. He was watching the thread and not posting.

    Nothing else Page 4. (at 80 posts per page on my system)

    386: "Vote: Seamus Fermanagh. He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia."
    Now I trust Seamus Fermanagh too. Half-hearted, half-joking defense likely to not be detected as scummy. "He is probably Mafia"? explain how, Reenk.

    388: "I put you in power and will remove you if need be."
    Joke post, half-threatening, but not really. He's prompting the CoP to be more active. Well, Reenk, why don't YOU be more active, too? Saving your verbosity for the endgame?

    395: "Sorry but I simply cannot allow Beefy to die this early yet again. He has been knocked off these games too early too frequently. I myself know the frustration when you join a bunch of Mafia games and are either voted off or killed early. To actually clear Beefy, here is an argument (so people can't say I'm not being helpful): The analysis on the writing styles is admirable but also, I feel it is far too exaggerated. Does anyone really believe that the guy who lifted the writeup from another game did research on all the games? He probably remembered a kill he liked and went with it. Yes there are people who would analyze kills and the game in general like that, but they are few, and the lazy are many. It is also easier than some people are saying to change writing styles. Look at the kill writeups of Reenk Roink in Mafia V against the kill writeups of Reenk Roink in Rise of the Mob. Both games interlapped by the way. You can find small changes (differing places of quotation marks, more sober punctuation use in one) as well as larger thematic changes (European vs American flavor, elaborate kills vs quick punchline kills). Look at Beefy's recent Fillet Royale game. Look how inconsistent the Watcher's letters are. All planned really.
    Unvote: Seamus Fermanagh
    Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
    Sorry Sasaki but you will play the game if you are dead anyway. Save Beefy!"

    Unnecessary defense of Beefy, votes for Sasaki. His post, carefully read, seems to be an attempt to mislead us. Unvotes Seamus.. unvoting behavior always piques my interest. He sees a chance to off Sasaki and he is THIRD ON THE BANDWAGON ON SASAKI, with no pressure on him. Safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe.

    Tally as of post #390

    187Beefyz = 2 (Seamus, Tincow)
    Sasaki = 2 (GSC, YLC)
    Abstain = 1 (White Eyes)

    Nothing else page 5.

    Post 411: "Ok, let's try to get a whole rollback of votes now, off both Sasaki and Beefy..."
    Inconsistent play. Reactionary play. Unhelpful play.

    416: "Trust me, it's different with Beefy, he really is one of the few "selfless townies".
    Defending Beefy, but he cannot know Beefy is innocent. Scummy.

    Nothing else page 6, and that's a lot of posts of silence after Tratorix questioned him thusly:
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=417

    534: I believe this post reveals too much:

    Boudica @Everyone: "Who would you pick to be your soldiers if you were Godfather?"
    Reenk Roink:
    "Seamus would be one and I won't tell you the second (it would be off a list of potential suitors). Ah heck I'll tell ya! I was going for Seamus and Beefy had I gotten to be the Godfather. Seamus would be the first choice because of old timessakes. Practical reasons in his favor would be that he's one of the best at keeping his behavior and he always seems to be innocent looking and live long. Beefy because I still must work with this extremely nice and funny guy. You can't win was so incomplete. Practical reason is that Beefy is amazing as Mafia as you have all seen. I also considered an elite veteran Seamus - Sigurd tandem but Sigurd has won far far too much so I know he understands that I would share the wealth. I also considered Aries and White eyes for spots. Unfortunately they tend to get lynched through no fault of their own, but are very funny guys and I know for a fact White eyes is really good (Aries probably is too). And the most important thing is that they play the game like I like to play. I also considered YLC who I never got to play a game with as Mafia, but talked with him a lot when he hosted Whispers. Plus even though suspicion is on him, he always stays alive."

    An awful lot of thought on this topic, eh, Reenk? And who would you suggest you'd pick "if you were mafia", if you WERE mafia? How about innocent people in this game. Did I nail it? Please tell me I did. Seamus, Beefy, Sigurd, Ares, White Eyes, and YLC are all probably innocent if Beefy is guilty.

    Post 544: Reenk is DEAD CENTER in the post count list. The perfect mafia hiding place if you're avoiding the bottom and CANNOT pass as a lurker. And by my count, he's quieter than usual.

    Reenk had one post on page 7. Page 8:

    614: "And my favorite kill lives on... Good job Mafia, good job. Vote: Sigurd"
    Votes Sigurd... and he reminisces about previous mafia games and gives them a pat on the back. Scummy, scummy, scummy in my book. Ironic in retrospect if he were mafia = Bonus points when Reenk wins. He thinks just like I do in that regard.
    So long and thanks for all the cluez.

    632: "Hello Sigurd. I assure you I care not for the town's bandwagon. Of course I know too well that the charge of lurking is much too early. Also I don't believe it fits. Also, I don't believe you to be one who will use the same tactics. However, I am not the Mafia Sigurd. I may be crazy but I'm not careless with my life. Besides, the Godfather would obviously choose the better man."

    LOL! Your slip is showing, Reenk. Defensive after being so quiet. I don't think so... you're yourself in this game. The same yourself as Prometheus, my mafia buddy. The "better man" is you... you won Fillet Royale. You won Prometheus. You're a dangerous character. Don't sell yourself short, because that Reenks of scum.

    Only two posts page 8... one scummy vote, one scummy defense.


    Nothing page 9. Hasn't spoken to me all game. Are you avoiding me, Reenk? You never have before. You talk more. You joke more. You think your votes through more. You try harder. You're not yourself. Bad performance from you as a townie, IMO.


    The reason I defended Beefy is because I've always noticed he goes too early every single game and I know it gets frustrating. One guy I'm pulling for this game is Beefy to be sure. I'm pretty sure he's townie, but if he's Mafia, well, I'd still pull for him.

    As for the rest, you either get suspicious of me because I made a joke or I didn't make a joke.

    I've become a clown I see...

    If I explain myself I'm guilty and if I don't explain myself and "avoid" people, I'm guilty.

    Do you want me to open my paraconsistent toolbox to deal with your reasoning now.

    Vote: Askthepizzaguy

    I'm just going to get rid of you because I don't want to be questioned or examined anymore. I don't think you're guilty (you may be) but I like to remove threats against me and keep people who aren't so opposed to what I do. I also think that TinCow is absolutely some kind of non town thing, the way he said your case against me was good and such. Then he made some case about how he was a proven innocent and how that implied he didn't intend to mislead the town. Great kill Mafia, great kill.

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    Ill be frank. I like stunts or awesome tactic to catch the mafia. If what YLC was doing is sacrificing his life to gather some additional data for SkyNet then I applaud his selflessness.

    However I want to ask you something. You claimed that Sigurd was innocent. I suppose by making your self guilty by voting your self and so on was trying to get your self lynched rather then causing collateral damage. Was that what you were trying to do? Or was there a secret treaty between you and Sigurd?

    FoS: Tevash

    For now. I want to hear response from ATPG before lynching Tevash.

    EDIT:

    @Reenk

    Too early? I suppose your right

    Cheers for that
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    Sigurd was an unwitting member - I picked him because of past games and current prejudices, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    I for one don't believe the mafia will voluntarily drop back to one kill a night for two subsequent nights in a row this early in the game.

    Yes, it can be a trick, but making your kills count, narrows down the odds of getting lynched by the townies who, in most games, act unpredicatable. Many mafiosi felt comfortable in the past, thinking they did very well getting no attention and eventually got lynched in the last rounds.

    Following that, Lord Winter was very likely scum.

    Sasaki is spot on about it being suspicious how ATPG all of the sudden changed his mind and voted Lord Winter.

    Even if Lord Winter wasn't scum, it is still rather suspicious.

    Also note that in the post in which he voted Lord Winter, he also said he would go after GSC the next round. Instead of doing that, he suggests that we lynch Reenk Roink, Tevashzat and shlin28 in the next three rounds.

    In a way, assuming ATPG is scum, this puts GSC in a bad daylight as well. Was he just ATPG's scapegoat or was it a tactic to create distance between him and his mafia buddy?

    Vote : Askthepizzaguy

    Fos : GSC
    I'm going to suggest that I was the scapegoat... The fact that ATPGs flimsy case against me was easily ripped to little pieces has nothing to do with me. I'd also agree that it is now more likely than not that Lord Winter was a mafioso, due to the reason you lay out. Every round they attempt to convince us there are less of them than we think they miss an oppurtunity to shorten the game. The longer it goes on the more likely the town will (consciously or unconsciously) lynch them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink View Post
    OK, so I'm going to be nice and somewhat validate all the work Askthepizzaguy did.

    I went back and actually looked at your long post instead of just going on skimming what other people said you said about me.



    As for the rest, you either get suspicious of me because I made a joke or I didn't make a joke.

    I've become a clown I see...

    If I explain myself I'm guilty and if I don't explain myself and "avoid" people, I'm guilty.

    Do you want me to open my paraconsistent toolbox to deal with your reasoning now.

    Vote: Askthepizzaguy

    I'm just going to get rid of you because I don't want to be questioned or examined anymore. I don't think you're guilty (you may be) but I like to remove threats against me and keep people who aren't so opposed to what I do.
    I feel that ATPGs long case against Reenk may be flawed (and having read through it I still cannot comprehend just how long that must have taken... wow). That said I'm going to stick with what I said yesterday and take the line that he is acting fairly normally for him and therefore is not at the top of my suspect list. Also YLC did tell me during his strange 'lynch me' saga that he was involved in some sort of plan, and was very coy about what it was. This could be viewed as proof that he was attempting to assist ATPG's skynet in the manner he claimed. My reasoning for this being that were he a mafioso he wouldn't have admitted to there being a 'plan' at all.

    This certainly doesn't exonerate ATPG who could have been using YLC, but it does make me question YLC's guilt.

    Since I don't trust ATPG's judgement fully, and don't believe him guilty at this stage, I'm going to Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero

    You seem to easily accept everything ATPG claims as gospel. Not just this round but almost since the beginning of the game. Due to ATPG's verboseness it would seem to be a particularly easy way for a mafioso to stay beneath the notice of most of the town. Many of your posts tend to be fairly short votes in line with the latest ATPG theory. You have a number of games under your belt and are quite capable of deciding things for yourself and of making capable analysis without relying on another townie (or even mafioso) to do it for you. As such you have raised my suspicions. Its hardly damning I know but....
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    I find the fact that Ignomorus still lives on highly suspicious. Will he be WoGged soon GH?


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    He's registered votes in two rounds, so he's not due for a while. As a matter of fact, nobody is.
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    Geez, ATPG, talk about an insane wall of text! How long did it take you to write that, three hours or so? It took me an hour to read it and all the posts following it. I applaud you for your effort, and it looks like this analysis will be a lot of help to us for this game. For this game, at least, your usefulness and helpfulness have far outweighed the sometimes-annoying quantity of your posts.

    To YLC:
    I probably should have figured you were all just playing mind games with us. You certainly like to do that sort of thing, what with the mafia games you've been hosting lately...
    But don't think you're off the radar just yet. Whether you meant the words in those last posts or not, it's WIFOM if you try to use that as your innocence case.

    And now:
    Quote Originally Posted by The Reenkster
    Vote: Askthepizzaguy

    I'm just going to get rid of you because I don't want to be questioned or examined anymore. I don't think you're guilty (you may be) but I like to remove threats against me and keep people who aren't so opposed to what I do. I also think that TinCow is absolutely some kind of non town thing, the way he said your case against me was good and such. Then he made some case about how he was a proven innocent and how that implied he didn't intend to mislead the town. Great kill Mafia, great kill.
    Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

    And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

    And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

    Vote: Reenk Roink

    I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Methinks you guys are missing the boat here.
    I'd have to agree. Despite ATPG's analysis being helpful now everyone is focused on it and the maf can hide while we bicker among our selves.

    Three important things from the write-ups. The kill mentions grizzly bears, so the mafia have been paying attention to the banter between Jolt and LG. Second, the nude unicyclist "observes everything", perhaps a reference to a detective. Third, the boombox guy has no care in the world, maybe immune to something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    I'd have to agree. Despite ATPG's analysis being helpful now everyone is focused on it and the maf can hide while we bicker among our selves.

    Three important things from the write-ups. The kill mentions grizzly bears, so the mafia have been paying attention to the banter between Jolt and LG. Second, the nude unicyclist "observes everything", perhaps a reference to a detective. Third, the boombox guy has no care in the world, maybe immune to something?
    Jolt and LG thing was obvious to anyone who were active. That only maybe, slightly rules out lurkers but it doesn't help much..

    Im guessing GH is doing the write ups other then the mafia write up. Either nude unicyclist and boombox guy are completely imaginative or thats GHs metaphor of those players. Who here could be nude unicyclist??

    Anyway the fact remains that ATPG provided us with some people who could be guilty. I cannot agree to every single word he says but I think its worth at least considering about it.

    Whats your opinion on Reenk and Tevash?


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    The kill mentions grizzly bears, so the mafia have been paying attention to the banter between Jolt and LG.

    I did notice this, i just assumed it to be a little joke on the mafia's part... i assume they don't think including my name in jolt's kill description is going to get my lynched simply because we had some banter going... i kinda saw it as a throwaway comment...

    Jolt and LG thing was obvious to anyone who were active. That only maybe, slightly rules out lurkers but it doesn't help much..

    Hell even lurkers couldn't have missed it... you would just have to be flat out ignoring the thread to miss such a thing... but then you wouldn't be very good mafia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 187Beefyz View Post
    Whats your opinion on Reenk and Tevash?
    Reenk is Reenk. You can't pigeon-hole him. To do so is dangerous.

    Tevash. I'm unsure. I don't feel he's overly scummy. He is being a bit defensive, but he's not doing any of the other key mafia tells.
    #Hillary4prism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix27 View Post
    Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?
    I abstain courteously () in the first round out of respect to a tradition. I only rarely will abstain later in the game unless for some reason (such as trying for a no lynch or really nobody to vote for).

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix27
    And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?
    I voiced strong opinions on both Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so that's untrue. I have nothing against the town questioning and examining, just Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so yet another false charge. Why is this Chaotix?

    I voted for him because he's a threat to me. He's certainly not confirmed innocent by the way, I just feel he's 1) a detriment to me and 2) a detriment to the town at the moment by going after an innocent (me).

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix27
    And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.
    TinCow was awfully insistent that he was confirmed innocent and that a dead innocent's analysis would not be misleading. Both statements have been shown to be very suspect.

    And these "logical parts" would be? TinCow had said earlier that Askthepizzaguy's "points on Reenk Roink and TevashSzat are well-analyzed, well-argued, and consistent." However, he never elaborated on this, and neither are you. I at least provided refutations to his charges as did TevashSzat.

    Now, the first one may be true, if by "well-analyzed" you mean Askthepizzaguy did a lot of analysis. It however, has no bearing on the quality, which after reading through it I think is poor.

    "Well argued" I'd flat out disagree with. The only thing Askthepizzaguy has is impressing SOME people with a lot of text. Some other people will be either put off or intimidated by it though. As for the quality itself, it's heavily based on old Mafia cliches ("third on the bandwagon" - I mean are you serious?) and

    Saying it is "consistent" is the most damning part and makes me think either TinCow didn't read it carefully, didn't understand what he read, or just thinks I should be lynched for whatever reason, substance of Askthepizzaguy's post be damned.

    Let me expose to you many inconsistencies of different types:

    1) External inconsistencies:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Atpg says I "made a serious grab for Police Chief AND he got several people to vote for him, possibly others nominating him so he wouldn't appear suspect."

    This is quite untrue when actually examining the voting for CoP, and looks even worse when Atpg himself was one of the bandwagoners for my election while I myself made the decisive vote to give it to shlin.

    Askthepizzaguy also called the third on the bandwagon the "safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe"

    If this is such a safe move, why is it on the Mafia FAQ and why is it used so frequently as a case? Sorry Atpg, try somewhere else...


    2) Internal inconsistencies:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Well let's just have a field day with this shall we:

    "Are you avoiding me, Reenk? You never have before. You talk more. You joke more. You think your votes through more. You try harder."

    In many other places Atpg calls out my activity and questions why I don't put more reasoning in my votes. He wants me to talk and explain myself

    And yet he also makes this case against me:

    "Explains himself without being prompted to. Guilty much, Reenk?"



    Don't get me started on the jokes. Let's take a look at how many joke posts Atpg himself names:

    Post 50: Self-incriminating joke. "I am the Godfather." He does stuff like this when he's guilty, too.

    Post 126: "I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy."
    Sounds like a joke, but he seriously seems to want the job.

    386: "Vote: Seamus Fermanagh. He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia."
    Now I trust Seamus Fermanagh too. Half-hearted, half-joking defense likely to not be detected as scummy. "He is probably Mafia"? explain how, Reenk.

    388: "I put you in power and will remove you if need be."
    Joke post, half-threatening, but not really. He's prompting the CoP to be more active. Well, Reenk, why don't YOU be more active, too? Saving your verbosity for the endgame?



    And more. I mean if you actually read his case, EVERY SINGLE ACTION I MAKE IS CONSTRUED IN A EXPLANATORY THEORY THAT MAKES IT SERVE SOME GUILTY PURPOSE - FURTHERMORE MANY OF THESE THEORIES ARE INCOMPATIBLE.

    A case that has examples of play leading to a conclusion, or one that has a predetermined opinion and then makes everything into examples of it? You make the call...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix27
    I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.
    Ok...

    The only great thing is that the Mafia will probably kill Atpg (and maybe you) to make me look guilty, but it's good because they are actually doing me a favor (I can dodge the suspicion and ensure a victory for Beefy and I )
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    *sighs*

    Does the town really need me to SPELL OUT EVERYTHING for it? I can't believe nobody has noticed it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    *sighs*

    Does the town really need me to SPELL OUT EVERYTHING for it? I can't believe nobody has noticed it...
    Goon!


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    I've looked again. The only thing I can see is:

    "held up by a pizza delivery car" a veiled reference perhaps? Or deliberately misleading?
    #Hillary4prism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    I've looked again. The only thing I can see is:

    "held up by a pizza delivery car" a veiled reference perhaps? Or deliberately misleading?
    That will brings us another WIFOM. So we probably should ignore it.


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    *Sighs again*

    Let's put it this way: I am NEVER killed randomly. The mafia never kills me so early without a good reason. Why? Because I'm an diabolical scumbag, everyone knows it, and hence I am lynch bait. Now, go through day one, and figure out why the mafia would kill me on the second night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    *sighs*

    Does the town really need me to SPELL OUT EVERYTHING for it? I can't believe nobody has noticed it...
    80's music isn't my forte...there's one person you could take the clues to be pointing at but I don't see anything conclusive. Don't see why there would be at this stage of the game.

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    Well I figure that the person who killed you is the same as the killer last night. They make the same references to people, etc. I think I've got a basic idea why, but for the same reason they'd want to keep you alive...

    Gaius would also have reason to kill you, since you know how he plays as Mafia. But, I don't think that's what you're getting at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    Well I figure that the person who killed you is the same as the killer last night. They make the same references to people, etc. I think I've got a basic idea why, but for the same reason they'd want to keep you alive...

    Gaius would also have reason to kill you, since you know how he plays as Mafia. But, I don't think that's what you're getting at.


    I'm not referring to the writeups.
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    I think he's insinuating that he was killed because of who he voted for. On Day 2 (Day 1 was the election) it was shlin. His second vote on Ichigo wouldn't count because it was a forced vote between two people. However, this doesn't make much sense to me. khaan's vote on shlin seems to be largely irreverent in nature. I don't see how any mafioso would think he was a threat, even if he was right in voting for shlin.

    Sorry, khaan, I don't get what you're talking about. I don't see any reason for you to be so vague about it either, unless you're claiming to be a dead detective. If you are claiming that, it just wraps back around to the above, where I don't see why you would've been seen as a threat when you were killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    *Sighs again*

    Let's put it this way: I am NEVER killed randomly. The mafia never kills me so early without a good reason. Why? Because I'm an diabolical scumbag, everyone knows it, and hence I am lynch bait. Now, go through day one, and figure out why the mafia would kill me on the second night.
    You mean the first day of voting right...you have like 5 posts...a vote for shlin...a link to a post where you killed rdece as as mafia with a prostitute write up...a link to a couple posts from kung fu mafia...and a vote for ichigo which you apologize for.

    The only reason I see for the mafia to kill you would be if you were the detective and hinted at one of the names in your posts. The song title clue from the day of your death would support this, perry mason is the name of a famous literary detective. I just don't quite get your clues lol.

    Well, which games have had executions by sharks with lasers?
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    I was also looking back, and only three posts caught my attention. His vote for Shlin, referred to above. an assertion that in Chicago two lurkers acheived a total victory, but as a number of people have said its a little early for that. And a statement on election day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sereikhann
    Please do not elect me, I am mafia
    It could be that he suggesting Shlin is guilty, but I don't see the connection between a few idle statements and a swift death at the hands of the mafia.
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    I am making NO suggestions that Shlin is guilty. Au contraire, methinks he's completely innocent.
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    Song Analysis:

    Night 1:
    Deaths: Tratorix, CountArach
    Song: Karn Evil 9, First Impression, Part 2 by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
    Lyrics:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
    We're so glad you could attend
    Come inside! Come inside!
    There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
    be careful as you pass.
    Move along! Move along!

    Come inside, the show's about to start
    guaranteed to blow your head apart
    Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
    The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
    You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
    You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....

    Right before your eyes we pull laughter from the skies
    And he laughs until he cries then he dies then he dies
    Come inside the shows about to start
    Guaranteed to blow your head apart

    You gotta see the show
    It's a dynamo
    You gotta see the show
    It's rock and roll


    Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of Vaseline
    Will perform on guillotine
    What a scene! What a scene!
    Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
    to Alexander's Ragtime Band
    Roll up! Roll up! Roll up!
    See the show!

    Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
    Seven virgins and a mule
    Keep it cool. Keep it cool.
    We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
    were exclusively our own,
    All our own. All our own.
    Come and see the show! Come and see the show! Come and see the show!
    See the show!


    Commentary: Seems like a song to welcome us all to the game. Then again, "Karn" in the title sounds a like like "khaan". Seireikhaan is murdered the following night.


    Night 2:
    Deaths: Seireikhaan, boudica
    Perry Mason by Ozzy Osbourne
    Lyrics:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    On his way to dinner when it took him by suprise
    And with one pull of the trigger he would vanish overnight
    Dancing by the roadside, holding on for dear life
    Then a gun from out of nowhere made a widow of his wife

    I dont mind, single file down the runway
    Feelin fine, and Ill see you my friend
    Over and over again

    Who can we get on the case?
    We need perry mason
    Someone to put you in place
    Calling perry mason

    Riding painted horses, oh the kids they love it so
    You can see it on their faces, how they love the wind to blow
    Minding my own business like my mama always said
    But if I dont try to help him they could wind up on the front page

    I dont mind, draw the line then draw me an arrow
    Feelin fine, then Ill see you my friend
    Over and over again

    Who can we get on the case?
    We need perry mason
    Someone to put you in place
    Calling perry mason again, again

    Wake me when its over, tell me its all right
    Just keep on talking baby, Ive been doing this all night
    How much did you give me, tell me itll be all right

    Who can we get on this case?
    We need perry mason
    Someone to put you in place
    Calling perry mason, again, again, again, again


    Commentary: Appropriate theme for a mafia game. Perry Mason was a lawyer. I am a lawyer, and I was the next person killed. Is this a coincidence?

    Alternate Theory: Perry Mason indicates that the Detective just died. The problem with this is that Perry Mason was a lawyer, not a detective.

    Night 3:
    Deaths: TinCow,
    Woke Up This Morning by Alabama Three
    Lyrics:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    I'm gonna take you down
    Deep down to the front lines

    You woke up this morning
    Got yourself a gun,
    Mama always said you'd be
    The Chosen One.

    She said: You're one in a million
    You've got to burn to shine,
    But you were born under a bad sign,
    With a blue moon in your eyes.

    You woke up this morning
    All that love had gone,
    Your Papa never told you
    About right and wrong.

    But you're looking good, baby,
    I believe you're feeling fine,(shame about it),
    Born under a bad sign
    With a blue moon in your eyes.
    Chorus
    You woke up this morning
    Got a blue moon in your eyes
    You woke up this morning
    Got a blue moon in your eyes

    You woke up this morning
    The world turned upside down,
    Thing's ain't been the same
    Since the Blues walked into town.
    But you're one in a million
    You've got that shotgun shine. (shame about it)
    Born under a bad sign,
    With a blue moon in your eyes.
    You woke up this morning
    Got a blue moon in your eyes
    You woke up this morning
    Got a blue moon in your eyes

    When you woke up this morning everything you had was gone. By half past ten your head was going ding-dong.
    Ringing like a bell from your head down to your toes,
    like a voice telling you there was something you should
    know. Last night you were flying but today you're so low
    - ain't it times like these that make you wonder if
    you'll ever know the meaning of things as they appear to
    the others; wives, mothers, fathers, sisters and
    brothers. Don't you wish you didn't function, don't you wish you
    didn't think beyond the next paycheck and the next little
    drink? Well you do so make up your mind to go on, ?cos
    when you woke up this morning everything you had was gone.

    woke up this morning,
    woke up this morning,
    woke up this morning,
    You wanna be the Chosen One.

    woke up this morning,
    woke up this morning,
    woke up this morning,
    You got yourself a gun.


    Commentary: Multiple references to guns, which is appropriate to the game, but doesn't lead to much. The only thing I can think of is once again the song title. Woke up in the Morning. What gets most of us up in the morning? Caffeine. What has caffeine? Jolt Cola. Guess who's killed the next night... (might be stretching this one a bit)

    Night 4:
    Deaths: Jolt
    Escalator of Life by Robert Hazard
    Lyrics:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    They got my Mazda at the E-Z Park It
    At the rock & roll supermarket
    Muzak music make me feel so funny
    I went and spent all my money
    We're riding on the escalator of life
    We're shopping in the human mall
    We're dancing on the escalator of life
    Won't be happy 'til we have it all
    We want it all
    Escalator of life - up and down
    Escalator of life - round and round
    There's 111 choices
    Don't listen to those little voices
    I don't let the guilty feeling shake me
    You can have your cake and eat it baby
    We're riding on the escalator of life
    We're shopping in the human mall
    We're dancing on the escalator of life
    Won't be happy 'til we have it all
    Hey girl, I'm a personal friend of Gloria Vanderbilt
    I got all the gold in the world around my neck
    Come ride the steel dinosaur
    Run wild in the jungle
    Its a Zulu Nation
    Seduction, sacrifice, a new sensation
    Nothing ever changes
    We're riding on the escalator of life
    We're shopping in the human mall
    We're dancing on the escalator of life
    Won't be happy 'til we have it all


    Commentary: The write-up specifically says "he seemed to be playing the song's climax over and over again." So, the climax of the song is important. Having never heard this song before, I don't know what the climax is. Triple number 111 indicates 777Ares777? Eating indicates Beefy? Dancing refers to (the mafia player formerly known as) Rythmic? Impossible for me to predict anything from this.

    Alternate Theory: The reference to "Don't listen to those little voice" and "I don't let the guilty feeling shake me" are somehow important.

    Conclusion: I think the songs are important, but nothing seems to click just right. I definitely feel like something is going on with them, particularly with the emphasis on the 'climax' of the N4 song, but I haven't found anything worth taking to the bank.
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    TC- I think the music is meant to throw us off. Writeup analysis is, in my view, a rather fruitless gesture. Focus on the meat, not the seasonings.
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    ^^Haha, I'm at the point where that post makes me say: "Fruitless? focus on the meat? Lynch Beefy!!!!"

    My impression was that the first song simply welcomed us to the game, the 2nd indicated that the detective had died (perry mason is sort of a detective according to wikipedia), the third indicated that we'd lynched mafia as it's the intro to the sopranos. The climax of the 4th song, based on youtube, is:

    Hey girl, I'm a personal friend of Gloria Vanderbilt
    I got all the gold in the world around my neck
    Come ride the steel dinosaur
    Run wild in the jungle
    Its a Zulu Nation
    Seduction, sacrifice, a new sensation
    Nothing ever changes
    But I believe khaan is referring to his posts:

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=218
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=235
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=238
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=302
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=311
    Last edited by Sasaki Kojiro; 02-13-2009 at 06:09.

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    Vote: Pizza. You twigged my radar at first because of the historic kills -- and I know you've back researched threads. By itself, not enough. The stunt with YLC was annoying, but not enough. Seeing my commentary on post counts and then going berzerk with posts was almost too calculating. Sasaki's points contribute. None enough in themselves, but taken together it has my vote.

    'khaan. You have me pondering.

    Numerous other threat levels to evaluate. Hmmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    'khaan. You have me pondering.
    Nice of you to join us, SEAMUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Nice of you to join us, SEAMUS.
    Subtle much.
    #Hillary4prism

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