The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[shlin28]

btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.

How? The mafia can still be killed by a vig, so you still have the same probability of being killed as a townie. So you are not less likely to be guilty.

Plus the vig sounded very... determined to save the town, hardly an example of a pure evil serial killer.

[LittleGrizzly]

Haven't got a clue who to vote for.. there seem to be a few candidates without much to go on... and then everyone else who hasn't really attracted much suspicion and possibly deserves some...

BTW sasaki encouraging lynching of first person to do 3 line vote is a good way to scare people off voting

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How?

The game is still going.

Haven't got a clue who to vote for.. there seem to be a few candidates without much to go on... and then everyone else who hasn't really attracted much suspicion and possibly deserves some...

BTW sasaki encouraging lynching of first person to do 3 line vote is a good way to scare people off voting

I was suggesting the opposite. We wouldn't want people posting just to say " I dunno" would we...

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Seamus

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Emphasis mine. Why the change glyphz?

I didn't have a case against either TevashSzat or Atpg, but picked Atpg, after Tevash claimed detective.
Not long after placing my vote (on Atpg), I was contacted by Atpg via PM, asking me to reconsider, and not to dismiss his case.
I decided to give him a chance to defend himself, and changed vote. If changing my vote would put TevashSzat in the lead, I wouldn't have done so. A tie however can be simply overturned by another vote.
I stayed online to keep tab on the thread...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yes, ask me anything you like and give me more time to present my case. You have nothing to lose in hearing me out.


Ask yourselves this:

Imagine if Seireikhaan is the investigator, and decided to check Shlin28. Lo and behold, it came back scum. Then, he mentioned it in the thread, in a subtle way, and voted Shlin. He wanted to survive as the detective so he didn't reveal.

Then, later, Tevash, under pressure, under threat of death, REVEALS he is the investigator, and clears Shlin28, his mafia buddy.

How convenient.


Will you do me the honor of trusting me, for JUST ONE ROUND.

Talk to me. Ask me to restate simply my case against anyone here.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=218

Seireikhaan's final vote.

It won't be that easy, to put more weight on such (Imagine), compared to someone claiming to be the detective. It might be easier to prove TS' innocence, by lynching you and see if TS gets targeted by next night (at which town has nothing to prevent it, I believe).

He will not be targeted! He is the Godfather. EVERY SCUMBAG SHOWED UP TO DEFEND HIM!

If TS isn't dead by 2/3 nights, then undoubtedly there's a good reason to suspect him. Town should still have the #s to lynch him by then.
And if mafia deliberately does not target TS, then they are taking a very big risk.

edit: Also, in case TS is lying. The real detective (in case he's still alive) can still reveal himself later.
Am moving closer to place my vote against you again, Atpg.

Simply put, I wasn't very convinced that TS would be a better lynch that round, and was ready to change my vote back the instant Atpg wasn't the top/tied for lynch candidate

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In this I agree with Shlin, Kojiro-san. Your death -- if we presume a Vig of sorts -- neither clears you of suspicion nor signals your guilt. I have tentatively assigned you townie status thus far because I have seen you doing what seems to be a fairly normal job for you of hammering suspects. You're correct about 'khaan's PM to me. The fact that I knew it was a fishing expedition prompted my response. Even if I weren't a townie, I suspect I'd have responded about the same regardless of what role I had. I did report all the PM stuff for everyone's review, and 'khaan can confirm I haven't altered anything.

Right now, I have concerns with Taka -- for a virtual lack of activity which, as I and others note, is not pro-town in its effect.

I also have concerns with Beefy. He is always around, always in tune with the discussion, and has posted more in this one thread than I think he has in both Capos combined. This is Beefy with 83 posts -- only about 12% behind Sasaki. Folks, this has NOT been his track record. I know he's been more active in mafia this last 6 months, but that's 2.76 ppp!

Of the two, I have been more adamant about lurkers for several posts, so for now I'll

Vote: taka

[TinCow]

Well... er... the write-up said the killer was "avenging" sasaki.

Of course, that could just be an evil mafia ploy.

And yet you were convinced that only the Godfather was left even before this most recent write-up:

That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum!

That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!

*Fires pistol into the air*

You also seem to be the only person who actually believes anything written in the mafia kill write-ups. This is not something new either:

Note that in the write-up the second killer with a "an apologetic smile on his face." This could suggest that he did not like killing people face to face, but prefer to use traps/force people to commit suicide. Could Ichigo be the mafia and lynched, and then YLC/a henchman commited the murders on N2?

My quick perusal of Sasaki's posts revealed nothing that strikes me as the kind that would lead to serial killer kill. I seem to remember one in Capo where a SK will kill someone if they say they are "innocent", could be something similar here? The killer here is clearly deranged and thinks Sasaki will lead to "doom"... exactly the kind of SK who will kill due to a keyword.

You are also pretty much the only person who continues to refer to the blatant framing attempts in the nightly write-ups. The rest of us have dismissed them for the WIFOM that they are, but you keep mentioning them:

Hmmm... why is the "indirect" killer always using "baby-eating" as a method to force people to eat babies?

Is this an attempt to frame me or Tincow? (WIFOM I know...)

(Too many of those write-ups hints at me being mafia... when I'm just a powerhungry townie... )

After re-reading many of your posts, I've noticed that you have a distinct tendency of not committing yourself on any attack against anyone. The only place I've seen you take any kind of firm stand was against ATPG, but that was just self-defense after he attacked you. You've remained almost entirely non-committal the entire game, yet very active. You post as if you're just having fun watching the chaos that is going on. You also make numerous statements about how you are a townie, even when they are unprompted and completely unnecessary.

Let's finish off this post with another appropriate quote from you:

However, it did got me thinking, since there is 3 mafia, its gonna be pretty much definite that the Godfather would attempt to become the CoP (henchmen would be investigated by the detective if one of them became CoP).

Summary:

• Non-committal with any argument, except when personally accused.
• Cites the mafia kill write-ups as evidence multiple times after they have been dismissed by everyone else.
• Refers to own role as "townie" multiple times without prompting.
• Was convinced that both grunts were dead after N5, then claims that he thought that because of something in the N6 write-up.

FoS: shlin28

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

The above case by Tincow is certainly something to think about. It is certainly odd how he is making such a big deal of 'but I'm townie, honestly' when under very little pressure. Taka would also seem to be a decent choice, lurking, and given the last game I know that he was in (Chicago Soiree) it is possible that he is trying a similar tactic (am aware of potential WIFOM issues. Quintus still seems a little off to me as well.

Will reserve vote until this afternoon. Be back later.

[seireikhaan]

1) The PM to Seamus was after I died.
2) Seamus altered the PM.(No smiley )

3(for seamus)- Are there any actions I took in the first lynching round that would make you inclined to believe somewhere along the lines of the reasoning for which you would theoretically kill me so early?

[Beefy187]

In this I agree with Shlin, Kojiro-san. Your death -- if we presume a Vig of sorts -- neither clears you of suspicion nor signals your guilt. I have tentatively assigned you townie status thus far because I have seen you doing what seems to be a fairly normal job for you of hammering suspects. You're correct about 'khaan's PM to me. The fact that I knew it was a fishing expedition prompted my response. Even if I weren't a townie, I suspect I'd have responded about the same regardless of what role I had. I did report all the PM stuff for everyone's review, and 'khaan can confirm I haven't altered anything.

Right now, I have concerns with Taka -- for a virtual lack of activity which, as I and others note, is not pro-town in its effect.

I also have concerns with Beefy. He is always around, always in tune with the discussion, and has posted more in this one thread than I think he has in both Capos combined. This is Beefy with 83 posts -- only about 12% behind Sasaki. Folks, this has NOT been his track record. I know he's been more active in mafia this last 6 months, but that's 2.76 ppp!

Of the two, I have been more adamant about lurkers for several posts, so for now I'll

Vote: taka

To be fair, I died reasonably early on both capo. And speed of discussion on Capo was way too fast for me.. Also I had high school when Capo took place.

As my high school finished, the only hobby I have besides studying is the Org, few other sites mainly sports news and ORG. This explains the sudden boost of my post. Also, I was asked to post more to avoid ATPG double posting.

I cannot and will not vote for taka just yet as a part of our mutual trust treaty. Him being a lurker is soo suspecious but I have taka guilt sensor and when he is guilty I should notice it..

As Tevash was 80 percent scum, why don't we look for the peoples who he called to be innocent? Or do you guys think, he would avoid investigating peoples in his crew?

[Chaotix]

Vote: Reenk

I'll continue voting for him for all of his scummy posts back during the ATPG-Tevash tiebreaker.

[pevergreen]

Shlin, stop reading into the write ups. Its often a dead end, even when it isnt it is hardly ever helpful.

Ares and Shlin are still the top of my to-lynch list, but I can't actually field any substantial evidence.

LG, I'd like to see you put a vote down.

Vote: taka

Come out, come out wherever you are.

[Reenk Roink]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus.

[naut]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus.

Listen to him people. Either vote Seamus or someone serious, like Reenk himself. And stop voting for lurkers, there are better lynches out there. If the game is still going later, then lynch the lurkers.

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok im still very unsure on my vote, but for the moment i will Vote Seamus for the reasons that have already been listed, theres a few others im unsure on... but i think the others are more down to gut instinct rather than any evidence... and my gut instinct was possibly a little off with Jolt, so ill stick with this vote for now...

[taka]

Shlin, stop reading into the write ups. Its often a dead end, even when it isnt it is hardly ever helpful.

Ares and Shlin are still the top of my to-lynch list, but I can't actually field any substantial evidence.

LG, I'd like to see you put a vote down.

Vote: taka

Come out, come out wherever you are.

Boo. im here

first thing i'll admit is that im no good at keeping up with the big games, seems smaller games fit me better - theres kinda too much to read in a big game which i havent read through (as i mentioned to beefy)

looking back at some of the more recent posts, i think that Tincow has made quite a few reasonable points about shlin. even though he is our CoP, i find him highly suspicious that i dont think he's actually contributed to helping town much at all considering his position.

for now i'll hear to reenk's plea and

vote: Seamus

but next round, unless something drastic happens, im gonna vote shlin.

[White_eyes:D]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus.

Reenk....you must give more then that.....
hmmmm....could tie it I guess...Vote:Seamus
and where are the other guys...are we not missing four votes???

[pevergreen]

I still think of Reenk as Loki, so no thanks, not just yet.

[White_eyes:D]

I still think of Reenk as Loki, so no thanks, not just yet.

Loki was good in Midgard 2.....and the whole PMing role fishing Khaan getting knocked off is weird.....

[Andres]

But khaan didn't have a guilty result on seamus--else he'd have voted him. Khaan's reasoning on Seamus comes from something else. It's a reasonable suspicion but not convincing, Seamus should be familiar with the "private message-I know your guilty" tactic, it's been used before. And why on earth would the real detective pm a mafioso and tell him he was guilty?

The Godfather comes up as innocent...

btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.

No, it doesn't.

1) The PM to Seamus was after I died.
2) Seamus altered the PM.(No smiley )

3(for seamus)- Are there any actions I took in the first lynching round that would make you inclined to believe somewhere along the lines of the reasoning for which you would theoretically kill me so early?

Do the rules allow private communication after dead?

[Beefy187]

I really don't see the reason of lynching Seamus.

Taka will be my vote, but he will not get my vote until we are down to 10.

ATPG, give me 10 reason why I should vote for Seamus.. Gogogogo!!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Gah! Just had a long post almost finished and internet died on me.

Gist of it here.

I'm disappointed in the number of people supporting Reenk without questioning anything.

Courteous Vote: Reenk Roink in protest. I'd like to here some reasoning.

Tincow makes a very good point regarding Shlin.

Killer seemed to have a grudge. Seems to think he is avenging Sasaki. Boombox guy killing Unicyclist?

Thats all for now, back tomorrow.

[Quintus.JC]

Since we can reasonably conclude that Tevash and ATPG are both not mafia

Tevash's attempted reveal as detective probably means he's got a role, I am inclined to think of him as a mafia because he failed back up with a PM and if he was town then he had no reason to lie to the rest of town. Despite self-preservation lying to the town about being a detective is one step too far for a simple townie.

Could Shlin be the godfather? I know Shlin has most definitely been investigated in this game, but godfather shows up as innocent and I’m starting to suspect Shlin…

[GeneralHankerchief]

No rules have been broken.

[TinCow]

Tevash's attempted reveal as detective probably means he's got a role, I am inclined to think of him as a mafia because he failed back up with a PM and if he was town then he had no reason to lie to the rest of town.

I agree that Tevash was likely mafia. For a while, I thought his lack of response was simply due to inactivity or RL issues. However, I just checked and he was online yesterday. If Tevash was the real detective, he almost certainly would have posted in here berating us for being idiots. His silence after that detective reveal and lynching seems to be a pretty strong suggestion of his guilt.

shlin has some interesting behavior when Tevash suddenly became vulnerable. He had a total of three posts between ATPG's 'Skynet' mega-post and when the heat got seriously turned up on Tevash. All of them were either jovial/joking in nature or completely lacking in serious analysis, which is consistent with shlin's previous play style. However, once Tevash's lynch starts looking more likely, he suddenly drops the silliness and gets serious with actual arguments, which is inconsistent with his general lackadaisical participation in the game. First, he proposes sparing Tevash for a round. Shortly after this, Tevash claims he is the detective. shlin's response to this is to spare Tevash and look to see if he gets killed by mafia as proof of his innocence. Note that instead of asking for more evidence from Tevash, he focuses the 'proof' of Tevash's claim exclusively on the mafia killing or not killing him in the future. This is then followed up with serious posts with decent reasoning. He then makes no jokes at all while waiting to find out Tevash's fate. After ATPG's lynch, shlin then put a decent amount of effort into explaining why ATPG was a better lynch than Tevash, even though the issue was already decided.

After the following night phase, despite Tevash not getting killed by the mafia (which shlin had previously theorized would be proof of his guilt), shlin discourages a lynching of Tevash. He then provides excuses about why Tevash hasn't replied yet, followed by posts which defend Tevash.

So, up until this point, shlin has gone out of his way to defend Tevash. He stopped posting in a silly/joking manner and put forth effort on actual debate and analysis. He spends a very long period of time specifically giving Tevash every opportunity he can think of, and even when he acknowledges that Tevash might have some scumminess about him, he encourages that he not be lynched and that the town wait for the mafia's actions to prove whether Tevash is guilty or not. And then, when the votes start piling up on Tevash...

shlin makes a complete 180 degree turn and goes for Tevash's throat. Voting is then closed with Tevash in the lead, and shlin chooses that moment, before the lynch write-up is even complete, to claim that both the grunts are dead and that only the Godfather is left.

Where does he go after this? Why, back to his non-analystical and joking posting style, of course. He then reminds us again that both grunts are dead and claims this is due to a write-up which occurred AFTER he stated this the first time.

[Andres]

Standard dead/PM rules apply.

GeneralHankerchief, are the dead allowed to communicate with the living through pm about this game?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Check your inbox.

[naut]

Excellent post TC.

[Andres]

Unvote : taka
Vote : shlin28

shlin28 indeed seems like a better option than taka for the moment.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Shlin

the lurkers can wait...