The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[CountArach]

Possible candidate for Chief of Police:

Someone who has been suicidal with his life. YLC, who is no longer with us. Therefore: Pevergreen.

However, some of you find my interactions with YLC scummy, which is silly. YLC would have to have been the Godfather. And if you think after all that, YLC is the Godfather, I simply don't know what Occam's Razor means to you.

So, other candidates: Taka
Frankly, anyone who lurks this much and has been threatened to be lynched for it, posted no defense and seemingly allows it to happen, ain't no Godfather. But! If you're too scared, let's offer another one:

(Remember, the nominee must be someone who logically speaking cannot be the Godfather)

I was thinking White_Eyes, but it's a little risky. What if he were the Godfather lynching his own subordinate, Lord Winter?

The others I cannot fully, comprehensively clear. But I would be inclined to trust Andres... he hasn't been controlling the game and he never triggered my scum alarms.

I'd suggest Beefy187... but... to be honest, he's due. He's due to be a mafia and show us all how awesome he really, really is. As such, I don't want to risk it.

Quintus.JC and Chaotix27... I feel they are innocent. But you know, the Godfather would easily slip past my detection if they supported me over TevashSzat. Last ditch effort to help themselves win. That said, I don't feel they are guilty.

I'm sorry, but YLC is the best choice. Pevergreen is the replacement, he suicided as the Godfather? Nope. Never gonna happen. He voted himself and got himself nearly lynched and kept his vote on himself? Nope. Never gonna happen.





Nominate: YLC/Pevergreen as new Chief of Police. Sorry, Shlin... you had a good run, no hard feelings, I believe you needed to work harder at catching suspects and less harder on defending people you couldn't know were innocent.

My name is CountArach and I approve this message.

[Askthepizzaguy]

777Ares777
Last Activity: 02-16-2009 02:22

This doesn't fully clear him, as he could have sent the murder via email. But seriously, Ares never triggered my scum alarms, and since he seemingly wasn't here during the murder...

I think we can risk it. What do you say? If YLC/Pevergreen makes you too scared, 777Ares777 would also make for a 95% chance of innocence player.

Nominate: 777Ares777, but only if you reject YLC as a candidate. I still feel he's a better choice.

[pevergreen]

In the name of YLCevergreen we agree or whatever.

lewl.

Seriously though. Its pevergreen. No capital.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you wish. pevergreen it is, my friend.

My thoughts since I found out the game had continued, and Tevash wasnt the Godfather:

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I do have a house of cards built on Lord Winter's death... if he weren't a mafia henchman, we're in serious trouble. But his scummy behavior before he died and afterward... he showed up only to say "see? I wasn't a mafia after all?" which was a total lie as there's only 1 murder per night again, and I'm reasonably certain Sasaki got Vigilante'd not murdered, guilty or innocent.

Lord Winter: After I compelled him to produce suspects under pressure, he kind of sputtered, tossed out a few names, and gave no real case. Then he fled the scene like a frightened chihuahua engulfed in flames. He hasn't been back since, and he isn't helping at all.

TevashSzat: Scummy detective reveal after I predicted he'd reveal, and after I suggested I might let him live a couple more rounds if he had a role. I can dig out the links if you want. Hasn't helped us solve the case, his primary role has been to defend himself.

Sasaki: Could the mafia recruit another henchman after the first one died? Twisty, twisty? I don't trust him. He's far, far too devious and I don't get the vibe that he's legitimately helping us. Plus he might have been investigated or something, the vigilante/unicyclist seemed sure he was mafia.

shlin28: defended TevashSzat up and down... gave excuses for not being here to argue with me... dropped out for less than 20 mins to "eat breakfast" and then scurried out of here when I cranked up the heat, saying he'd be back in 3-4 hours. No reason given. He triggered my scum alarms and hasn't been helping us find suspects, and seems to only be concerned with his own life, and defending scummy people for them. Bad, bad CoP, IMO. Again, no hard feelings shlin.

[Reenk Roink]

I will fight tooth and nail to keep shlin where he is (for the moment).

I'll give more of my thoughts after the kills but unless some good lead comes, I will be going after Chaotix and Gaius as they are threats to me and must be killed. Hopefully the Mafia makes it easier for me and takes out one or both (Lord knows you haven't done a good job helping yourselves so you might as well help me and the town ).

Also, I do have a feeling about Chaotix for awhile now so even if he wasn't going after me he would be my target after Seamus.

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think destroying all your enemies is a legitimate townie strategy, Reenkster. In spite of a difference in philosophy, it's just going to bring heat on you, and what if we lynched you instead of someone else, if you're innocent, that means we wouldn't be lynching the Godfather.

What you're saying Reenks of paranoia and untownie behavior. I also note that you're here at night; sending in your murders, are we?




I can't be sure you're a better candidate than Shlin, but you're actively changing my mind.


EDIT: 20 minutes later- Cat got your tongue, Reenk? Town, I say let's get rid of ye olde shlin this round, and make absolutely certain Reenk is dead before the end of the game. I just can't fathom this.

My case against you before was admittedly very weak Reenk. But I am at a loss to explain this from you now. I wouldn't let that pass if I had a say in it.

[LittleGrizzly]

Don't we have to kill shlin28 before a new CoP can be installed ?

Im nervous about Reenk, im not sure if its just his playing style or what but he does send slightly scummy signals off...

i especially don't like...
I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you.

It sounds like he's setting himself up to be left at the end and then have this case to fall back on as an excuse to lynch the other players instead of him... of course the whole kill of my enemy's doesn't exactly inspire confidence either...

Shlin is another one i am unsure about, sure he's been having fun with his CoP role, but it feels like that could be his cover...

TBH out the remaining players they are the ones i getting the gut instinct feeling on, its known to be wrong occasionally though... so im willing to give logic a go as well...

[Askthepizzaguy]

@LG-shlin28 is legitimately a suspect for the following reasons:

1. He's the CoP, who gets investigated almost automatically. He supported TevashSzat, and said both me and YLC were scum. He hasn't been good at giving us suspects. He defends people he doesn't know are innocent. He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent". He's skipped out on questioning. he's highly defensive. TevashSzat voted for him for CoP, and he seems VERY scummy now that he's skipped out. He never once offered to be lynched if he failed in his task, something I WOULD GUARANTEE to do by the mid-game if I were ever made the CoP. He's done nothing to help us and he's been nervous under pressure.

Reenk is legitimately a suspect after that for the following reasons:

2. His post above.
That's about it.


On balance, shlin28 is acting like a nervous Godfather scumbag. He also hasn't posted here all night, and this is his usual time to show up. (Bad piece of evidence, but I'll toss it on a pile of good evidence)




Lynch shlin28 and install one of my candidates as the next CoP... or choose your own. JUST BE SURE that they aren't Godfather-y in any possible way, shape, or form.


Oh, and go ahead and read Shlin28's defense of himself.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1203

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Wow...

(Note: The response has not been proofread... read on at your peril! )

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It seems that I am being very very very suspicious right now for these reasons:

1. Unsually number of post counts - normally an indicator of me having a role.
2. Vigorous defence of Tevash and the eventual "DEATH TO TEVASH!" moment.
3. "Attempting" to "convince" the town that we are down to one Godfather.
4. Lack of serious contribution apart from the aforementioned Point 2.

My answers to all four of them:

1. I like being the CoP, which gives me a sense of higher purpose than a bogstandard townie. In games where I just have a townie PM and nothing else I tend to get bored and relapse into my non-serious mode. In here, I try to be more active. In any case, most of the post is made because of Point 2 (see below)

2. I defended Tevash mainly because A: I dislike the town being led by one person and the majority follows the said townie (unless they have a game role that allows them to do so) and B: I thought ATPG's deduction was flawed.

In practically all of the games featuring both me and ATPG I have stood against his system of reasoning (See "The Lunar Whale", "Teddy Snatcher", "Whispers in the Night" etc), mainly because I was accused by it, a lot. And in all of these cases I was innocent despite his system branding me guilty, so this gives me cause to believe that ATPG' system is not always right. Furthermore, in "Whispers of the Night" I was accused of being mafia, when I was the detective - this led to doubts regarding whether SkyNet can detect whether one is a pro-town role or mafia. So when Tevash was accused of showing signs of scumminess, I took a leap of logic and thought that Tevash could be a detective, hence my defence of Tevash. Anyway, why couldn't I defend Tevash? Note that Sasaki and RR did too... is there anything preventing one townie to help defending another townie because the first townie believes that the second townie is not exhibiting the classic signs of mafianess?

My complete "aboutturn" on the Tevash issue can explained quite easily - He was active during the discussion on his lynch, yet did not respond in anyway. In any case, as NOBODY ELSE has mentioned BTW, at that point it occured to me that Ignoramus* had quite a big chance of being the detective (see the post where I quoted his posts). More troubling however, is that people seem to think just because I supported Tevash for one and a half phases I must support him all the way to the end?

* Now I am thinking more along the line that Ignoramus is the unicycle killer - if he was the detective he would have counter revealed. On the night he decided to kill, the mafia also conveniently concluded that Igno MUST be the detective due to his lurkiness.

3. I did not try to "convince" others of it, I was just stating my personal opinions, which are not infallible - never did I say "The write-up says this, it must be truez!", whenever I stated something from the write-uo (exluding posts from yesterday), I always included a tiny snippet explaining my doubts. Yesterday's post was an exception, mainly because I had reverted to my non-serious mode after a high activity phase, and became vague and annoying.

Also, Tincow I believe had misinterepreted the meaning of Post 1116 (I think) where I "accused" Sasaki of being mafia. This is not the case. Certainly, the write-up SUGGESTED that Sasaki was a member of the mafia group, but I was never sure. Post 1116 was a reply to this post https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1114. Here Sasaki produced a detective role PM - in my non-serious mood at the time, I said Sasaki must be guilty, due to his preparations and "backup" role PMs. However, because there was a post between Sasaki's post and mine, the meanings of my post became... er... confused.

4. If there is something really concerning me/really interesting, I tend make short posts and be in my jokey mode. But if there is really something important, I will make contributions. Can't really change that...

So if you are going to lynch me, lynch me on the basis of Point 4. But I assure you, if I am lynched, not only will you lose a most talented lynch-management-guy, the game will also continue, because I am not mafia, not a henchman, and certainly not a Godfather...just a normal townie.

Thank you for your time for reading my insane rant.

It speaks for itself.

Tell me he's not nervous about death, something a townie, especially one whose run as CoP has been WELL off the mark the entire time, would never be.

[Andres]

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right?

Well, how about you quote the posts where he threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I can help disprove that Chaotix has a vendetta against Reenk, and show that Reenk is being paranoid and overly defensive. But my lynch shlin28 suggestion stands, give Reenk the benefit of doubt for 1 round. He needs to explain himself though.


Chaotix very early fingers Reenk, but drops his case entirely, and it was a suggestion with other suspects, too.

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Hm... I should really make a habit of Abstaining after posts that I make during the day phase that are not votes. As it is, I am 5 hours too late, but I likely would not have voted decisively anyway.

Honestly, the first person who comes to mind while considering the "lifting" of a write-up is seireikhaan. Mostly because he's a sneaky . (I mean this in a good way )

Unfortunately, he's dead.

And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.

My third guess would be Reenk, based on his previous use of already-established material in his Watcher posts of Fillet Royale.

It does not seem to me that Gaius would have lifted his own write-up and then pointed it out afterwards as a clue. If he had done that, it probably would have been Night 1, as well. And even then- as he's said, Gaius only has 3 or 4 more write-ups to choose from. If he kept using them, he'd run out eventually and have to start writing them from scratch, at which point we would probably notice that the new write-ups are shockingly similar to the old ones in style.

Next, he doesn't even mention Reenk.

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Well, thank you. I am flattered to think that others actually consider me to be a halfway decent mafia player. In actuality, I believe I've only won a single game as mafia. (although I did come pretty close and fool FactionHeir in Resident Evil...)

Back on topic:

Sigurd is lurking, whether or not he admits it, and this does concern me. However, what may make him look slightly more innocent is the fact that he has been lurking in YLC's mafia game as well- this leads me to believe that he is much less active perhaps for real-life reasons rather than him being scum. This is not to say he couldn't be scum anyway, though.

While I would love to just jump on a bandwagon and vote either Sigurd or YLC now, I realize that I may very well not show up to change it later once the situation turns my extra vote into a lynch decider. For that reason, I will instead vote: Glyphz for lurking and (hopefully) be back later once I make up my mind.

Next, he doesn't mention Reenk again, as YLC is the prime suspect.

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YLC, why bother signing up and playing the game in the first place if you're just going to be uncooperative and try to get yourself killed? It's a waste of a sign-up, and now this is going to be a waste of a lynch, too, because the mafia is getting of scot-free this round.

All the attention's drawn onto you, and the mafia doesn't have to hide at all, because their behavior, even is poor, would probably make them look like saints standing next your general behavior in the thread. I generally don't like to go and bash players like this, but for this game at least you are worse than useless because of all of your deliberate WIFOM and self-votes and suicidal tendencies. Do you even want your side to win? Mafia or Town, you're not doing a very good job of helping your team.

Unvote, Vote: YLC

Now you must die, and next round we can get back to lynching mafiosi.

Next, Chaotix follows up on YLC again. No mention of Reenk at all.

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A truly poor player would be one who doesn't try to improve. As long as you are actively pursuing your victory condition, you are decent enough in my book- this here is me paraphrasing your own words. Regardless, I am not criticizing you as a player, but only your performance this game.

Honestly, what it looks like here is that you are very busy- you simply have no time to play this game as well as manage your own game and deal with real-life issues as well. Believe me when I say I have been in this position before, where you literally can't spare ten minutes without sacrificing doing something else.

If this is the case, there are better ways of removing yourself from the game then trying to get yourself lynched. You are too innocent to waste a lynch on, but you have also made yourself too suspicious to be left a few turns for the WoG. If you are truly town, then you should pm GH explaining why you can't play anymore, and suicide. That way, you've confirmed yourself innocent, you don't have to play anymore, we don't have to worry about you possibly lurking along and being mafia, and most of all, we still get a lynch for today, instead of it being used to kill you off. This is the best course of action.

MUCH LATER: Chaotix points out how scummy and nervous sounding Reenk's defense was. Which it was. It was very suspicious and very nervous sounding, far too defensive. But that alone isn't proof.

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Geez, ATPG, talk about an insane wall of text! How long did it take you to write that, three hours or so? It took me an hour to read it and all the posts following it. I applaud you for your effort, and it looks like this analysis will be a lot of help to us for this game. For this game, at least, your usefulness and helpfulness have far outweighed the sometimes-annoying quantity of your posts.

To YLC:
I probably should have figured you were all just playing mind games with us. You certainly like to do that sort of thing, what with the mafia games you've been hosting lately...
But don't think you're off the radar just yet. Whether you meant the words in those last posts or not, it's WIFOM if you try to use that as your innocence case.

And now:


Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

Reenk's second defense, which starts to be defensive towards Chaotix's accusations.

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I abstain courteously () in the first round out of respect to a tradition. I only rarely will abstain later in the game unless for some reason (such as trying for a no lynch or really nobody to vote for).



I voiced strong opinions on both Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so that's untrue. I have nothing against the town questioning and examining, just Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so yet another false charge. Why is this Chaotix?

I voted for him because he's a threat to me. He's certainly not confirmed innocent by the way, I just feel he's 1) a detriment to me and 2) a detriment to the town at the moment by going after an innocent (me).



TinCow was awfully insistent that he was confirmed innocent and that a dead innocent's analysis would not be misleading. Both statements have been shown to be very suspect.

And these "logical parts" would be? TinCow had said earlier that Askthepizzaguy's "points on Reenk Roink and TevashSzat are well-analyzed, well-argued, and consistent." However, he never elaborated on this, and neither are you. I at least provided refutations to his charges as did TevashSzat.

Now, the first one may be true, if by "well-analyzed" you mean Askthepizzaguy did a lot of analysis. It however, has no bearing on the quality, which after reading through it I think is poor.

"Well argued" I'd flat out disagree with. The only thing Askthepizzaguy has is impressing SOME people with a lot of text. Some other people will be either put off or intimidated by it though. As for the quality itself, it's heavily based on old Mafia cliches ("third on the bandwagon" - I mean are you serious?) and

Saying it is "consistent" is the most damning part and makes me think either TinCow didn't read it carefully, didn't understand what he read, or just thinks I should be lynched for whatever reason, substance of Askthepizzaguy's post be damned.

Let me expose to you many inconsistencies of different types:

1) External inconsistencies:

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Atpg says I "made a serious grab for Police Chief AND he got several people to vote for him, possibly others nominating him so he wouldn't appear suspect."

This is quite untrue when actually examining the voting for CoP, and looks even worse when Atpg himself was one of the bandwagoners for my election while I myself made the decisive vote to give it to shlin.

Askthepizzaguy also called the third on the bandwagon the "safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe"

If this is such a safe move, why is it on the Mafia FAQ and why is it used so frequently as a case? Sorry Atpg, try somewhere else...

2) Internal inconsistencies:

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Well let's just have a field day with this shall we:

"Are you avoiding me, Reenk? You never have before. You talk more. You joke more. You think your votes through more. You try harder."

In many other places Atpg calls out my activity and questions why I don't put more reasoning in my votes. He wants me to talk and explain myself

And yet he also makes this case against me:

"Explains himself without being prompted to. Guilty much, Reenk?"



Don't get me started on the jokes. Let's take a look at how many joke posts Atpg himself names:

Post 50: Self-incriminating joke. "I am the Godfather." He does stuff like this when he's guilty, too.

Post 126: "I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy."
Sounds like a joke, but he seriously seems to want the job.

386: "Vote: Seamus Fermanagh. He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia."
Now I trust Seamus Fermanagh too. Half-hearted, half-joking defense likely to not be detected as scummy. "He is probably Mafia"? explain how, Reenk.

388: "I put you in power and will remove you if need be."
Joke post, half-threatening, but not really. He's prompting the CoP to be more active. Well, Reenk, why don't YOU be more active, too? Saving your verbosity for the endgame?

And more. I mean if you actually read his case, EVERY SINGLE ACTION I MAKE IS CONSTRUED IN A EXPLANATORY THEORY THAT MAKES IT SERVE SOME GUILTY PURPOSE - FURTHERMORE MANY OF THESE THEORIES ARE INCOMPATIBLE.

A case that has examples of play leading to a conclusion, or one that has a predetermined opinion and then makes everything into examples of it? You make the call...



Ok...

The only great thing is that the Mafia will probably kill Atpg (and maybe you) to make me look guilty, but it's good because they are actually doing me a favor (I can dodge the suspicion and ensure a victory for Beefy and I )

Chaotix asks a legit question. Why is it so important that Reenk lives?

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Reenk: Just what exactly is so great about you staying alive, anyway?

You act as if ATPG is personally out to get you here, when really he's just following through with what SkyNet tells him. And then, it's not just ATPG either. Your last couple of posts have been absolutely full of scummy-sounding sentences that anyone would call you out on.

You also act as if your death will cause the loss of the game. The only thing you lose by being dead, if you do not have a role, is your vote. There is nothing saying you cannot post your wild sense of humor, or your suspicions against others (of which you have done remarkably little this game except against TinCow the very nearly proven innocent). You can even defend Beefy, still, if you truly believe he must be defended at this point in the game. Why, then, do you suggest it is so important to you that you remain alive?

I will not remove my vote from you. I see nothing significantly incriminating in either Tevash or ATPG, and I will remain uninvolved in deciding a lynch between them.


Seireikhaan: What is so important to winning this game that you have to spoon-feed it to us in riddles rather than just telling us already? Who do you think the mafia is and why?

Reenk's defense again makes no sense to me. He obviously DOES want to be kept alive, but he openly denies that's his motive. The heat on him at this point was minimal, yet he's still in panic mode. He had what, ONE vote on him? Seriously... let it go, man.

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I don't think it's important for me to stay alive. Again Chaotix with the false attributions. You may vote for me all you want. You have no case to do so however.

I really think that people who are criticizing me are probably Mafia using me as a scapegoat. We can indulge them for awhile though, we have the upper hand.

I find it funny how despite all of the energy Atpg has focused against me, his case has failed to persuade most, except you and TinCow and drawn suspicion on himself. I like Atpg, I encourage him to have fun in these games and do his thing, but I should also have my fun and criticize his system also, no?

And if you don't think it's not out to get me I advise you to re read his case, it is filled it caustic comments (unlike say Kommodus with a similar system who gave a fairly "objective" if you can call it that summary of my posting changes,) very unobjective - for Godsake SkyNet is HIS SYSTEM with HIS OPINIONS - of course he's doing what it tells him to do).

This post is for easy reference so others can follow what transpired between Reenk and Chaotix. If I missed anything, point it out. I still think shlin28 is a better lynch than Reenk, but I think we can conclude Reenk needs to go before the game is over... that's my analysis anyway. But what do I know? I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective.

[White_eyes:D]

I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective.

ATPG...ask yourself....would a guy with any kind of role, other then townie....just pick-up and leave and not even defend himself?? (I know I wouldn't....)

Edit:and I see you just picked up and left....

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL listen, we'll know Tevash's alignment when the game is over, and it's a moot point, as he's dead now.

But... umm... he didn't say who he was investigating, he never revealed a role pm, and he's not here now to offer other suspects. Let's drop it, though, because I don't care. It's a distraction. He wasn't the Godfather, and only the Godfather matters. Let's find and lynch him.

[TinCow]

ATPG...ask yourself....would a guy with any kind of role, other then townie....just pick-up and leave and not even defend himself?? (I know I wouldn't....)

If you're claiming that Tevash was just a townie, I find that unlikely. Tevash claimed to be a detective to save himself from being lynched. That almost certainly means he was the detective or a mafioso. In either case, he had a role, which contradicts what you're saying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be here for the next 40 minutes or so, so if you all wanna talk this over with me, I'd love to.

Anyone?

Otherwise, the game is in capable hands. I like the reasoning coming from 90% of you. We have a phenomenal chance of winning here.





Nothing else from Reenk, huh? At this point I'm almost inclined to reverse myself and go Reenk first, Shlin28 second. But let's go with evidence over hunches.

[Thermal]

BAH! JUST POSTED LOADS AND MY BROWSER FROZE!
~ from what ive read (and im not bothering with punctuation, the quicker i retype this the better!)

sorry for my unintentional lurking fest

~Seamus did not look suspicious too me at all

~lurkers shouldnt be let off the hook, glyphz and taka, lurkers here, have won as mafia in other games recently via lurking, so top suspects


@pevergreen
why the vendetta against me?

@white eyes
why are you convinced reenk is the boombox guy? i doubt both of the park inhabitants were innocent, could the boombox guy be the godfather?

@ATPG
ylc/pevergreen do not look that innocent to me, why do you continually defend him, with so little evidence? Also I wouldnt want to be chief of police, im not a good boss and I'd hate to have my privilege of voting took away, thanks

[White_eyes:D]

If you're claiming that Tevash was just a townie, I find that unlikely. Tevash claimed to be a detective to save himself from being lynched. That almost certainly means he was the detective or a mafioso. In either case, he had a role, which contradicts what you're saying.

Did he really?

[shlin28]

Meh, lynch me if you think I suck at being the CoP. (I don't mind because I just sent GH the most awsomest lynch write-up everz )

If I could vote and it is day, I would totally vote: shlin28.

G'day y'all!

*fires pistol into the air in commiseration of my death*

To ATPG:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent"

You "ordered" me to "surrender" on MY profile page? Real friendly... And that was barely an argument, I replied with two sentences, both in a clearly jokey manner. An "argument"? I think not.

So what if I replied with a simple "NEVER!!!!!!!!!!"? Should I just surrender and stop defending Tevash against what I percieve as a flawed argument? (I don't trust SkyNet at all). If I suddenly stopped and changed side, I would have been suspicious anyway, as Tincow pointed out. (See his argument about me changing side later and thus suspicious)

He's skipped out on questioning.

It was a morning in the weekend... should I stayed all the way till the afternoon to argue back and forth?

Bad, bad CoP

Note: CoPs have basically no powers and acts as an invincible townie. I'm just doing what when I am a townie does.

and what in the world is wrong with a 20 minute breakfast?

The above is NOT a defence, I'm just a bit... unsettled by what ATPG is saying 'bout me. That's all.

Edit: My super evil prediction about who is mafia:

Henchmen: ATPG + Sasaki
Godfather: Taka or White Eyes probably.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Starting alphabetically (numbers first as it appears in my excel):

187Beefyz

Posts as of thread post #1246 = 87. Assuming 40 posts per page that's a rate of 2.719/page.

Known posting rates from recent games as a comparison:

In Ephesus, where he was an innocent tourist (townie) his posting rate was 1.821/page.

In Whispers, where he was an innocent townie who died early, his posting rate was 0.733/page.

In Chicago, where he was the last surviving townie, his posting rate was 2.667/page.

In Can't Win, where he was a cop (mafia) his posting rate was 2.375/page.

In Teddy Snatcher, where he was a townie with only one ability, his posting rate was 4.000/page.

In Full Monty Simpsons where he was a powerful Serial Killer, his posting rate was 2.313/page.

Overall posting rate average for all games cited = 2.09/page. The italicized scores are (assuming a normal curve) more than one standard deviation away from this mean score. His current posting rate is almost, but not quite, past the +1 SD margin.

Based on a quick scan of posts across these games, Beefy's post length appears to be up slightly in this game as opposed to some others.


Votes have been recorded by Beefy in 8 of 9 possible instances.

D1 = he voted to elect himself, but changed his electoral vote to Reenk.
D2 = pizza
D2 runoff between Ichigo and Seamus = Seamus
D3 = himself, but switched to an abstention
D4 = taka, but then switched to a no vote (imputed abstention)
D5 = Tevash
D5 runoff between Tevash and Pizza = Pizza (post Tevash detective reveal
D6 = Tevash
D7 = inidicated a wish to vote taka, but never entered a vote (imputed abstention)

Beefy has never voted for someone who was subsequently murdered, and though he has cast votes for those still alive, he has never left his final vote for a given round on a player who was not subsequently lynched either in that round or later in the game. The only exception to this is his election, not lynch, vote for Reenk on Day one.


777Ares777 shall be next.

[Thermal]

Beefy's posting pattern varies little regardless of his alignment unfortunately, though evidence suggests he's innocent.

[White_eyes:D]

777Ares777 shall be next.

Me next....I want to take a ride on the Seamus investigations....

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 7

LittleGrizzly was sitting at his home watching T.V. When he heard a knock on the door. He was no fool though, after all the murders that had taken place he had a deadbolt chain-locked door to prevent intruders and stayed away from windows, so he wouldn't be shot by a sniper. He didn't want to be a easy kill, so he answered the door carefully.

When he opened the door with the chain on, there was a man in a business suit, who looked real down. Letting his guard down, he let the man in as he said he had something he wanted to discuss and it was "life threatening". LittleGrizzly was no fool though, he had the man sit on his couch and wait while he went to get some "snacks" which in this case, was a twelve gauge shotgun. Then he came back, only to find him gone. "Damn, I might have let the killer slip though our fingers", growled LittleGrizzly, he then found a box where the man had sat down. Curiosity got the better of him and he decided to open it up and KABLOOEE!! his house, along with several others were wiped off the Gameroom map. Once again, all the Chief of Police found when he arrived was a DVD entitled 'For Seamus', along with massive destruction.

Chief of Police shlin28, after watching and then discarding the DVD, was very annoyed. He had been hard at work all through the night and even the day, creating his greatest lynch method yet in the Gameroom Park. He had been "in the zone", so to speak, and having to drive to the murder scene to deal with yet another explosion had taken him out of his element. Whoever was to get executed tonight had better deserve every second of the awesomeness shlin was about to unleash, strictly for interrupting his work, yet alone killing off most of the town.

After a couple more labor-intensive hours, shlin finally took a step back, looked over at the man with a boombox playing "All My Life" by the Foo Fighters, and looked back at his work.

"There," he said, "It's done. Time to call everybody over."

Some minutes later, the villagers arrived and stared at was was before them. Despite shlin's pronouncements that this would be the greatest method of execution known to mankind, all they saw was leftover stuff from the previous few executions.

"Oh, you'll see," said shlin with a wicked grin on his face. "You will see."

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (12)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh

~~~~~~~~~~~

ANNOUNCEMENT: Since it looks like shlin28 is in hot water this round, if he does get lynched the new Chief of Police will be selected by me, via random.org.

[Thermal]

Reference to modern music has been made frequently, without meaning to stereotype or frame myself probably looking at a teenaged audience as a mafia...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

May as well lynch Reenk today.

[Andres]

Well, how about you quote the posts where he (Chaotix27) threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

Reenk Roink, would you be so kind to answer my question?

[LittleGrizzly]

Far too concerned about saving the town to watch out for my own safety... a true hero

Ill echo what i said about Reenk and Shlin28...

[shlin28]

I find it interesting that Andres has not been under a lot of fire in this game... I wonder why... Normally he gets accused a lot. Yet here...? Not so much

*crawls back into the lynching pit, ready to be lynched*

Edit: The songs are probably not aimed to incriminate people, I think they are meant to comment on the dead person's personality. I think.

[LittleGrizzly]

Andres probably falls into my 2nd tier of suspects along with Glyphz and someone else i think..

Edit: Gaius is my other suspect...

[shlin28]

Out of interest LG, who is in your first tier of suspects? Me and RR?

PS: I hope Seamus is back with his post per page thing, it seems VERY useful to find abnormal behaviour.

(Yes... I am making several posts here because I am bored... )

[Seamus Fermanagh]

777Ares777

Posts as of thread post #1257 = 55. Assuming 40 posts per page that's a rate of 1.719/page.

Known posting rates from recent games as a comparison:

In Ephesus, where he was an innocent tourist (townie) his posting rate was 1.25/page.

In B'rubber, where he was a townie his posting rate was 3.6/page.

In Whispers, where he was mafia convert, his posting rate was 2.0/page.

In Chicago, where he was a townie, his posting rate was 2.0/page.

In Fillet, where he was an early lynchee his posting rate was 5.867/page.

In Full Monty Simpsons where he one of the last townies, his posting rate was 2.188/page.

Overall posting rate average for all games cited = 2.661/page. The italicized scores are (assuming a normal curve) more than one standard deviation away from this mean score. His current posting rate is just past the -1 SD margin. Note, Fillet is such an outlier that the distribution of these scores is less reliable in terms of variability.

Ares seems to increase activity under Beefy narrated efforts.


Votes have been recorded by Ares in 6 of 9 possible instances.

D1 = Sigurd, changed to Shlin.
D2 = abstained but then switched to glyphz and Sasaki
D2 runoff between Ichigo and Seamus = no vote
D3 = Tincow, but switched to Sigurd
D4 = no vote (imputed abstention)
D5 = ylc
D5 runoff between Tevash and Pizza = Tevash, switched to abstain (post Tevash detective reveal)
D6 = Tevash
D7 = no vote (imputed abstention)

Ares has kept a final vote on someone who was subsequently murdered ONLY in the first lynch vote. He has avoided a final vote in both "runoffs" though he had voted against Tev prior to Tev's reveal.

[Quintus.JC]

Seamus please do Shlin and Reenk before the others please, I need you opinion on this.