The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

**GeneralHankerchief** · 02-22-2009, 07:32

Bold votes please.

**Beefy187** · 02-22-2009, 08:39

Vote: Glyphz

Least taka is here.. Glyphz isn't.

I think we need to lynch at least one.. if not all the lurkers in this game. I just hate letting people win who doesn't put in much effort..

Unless someone builds up a solid case against someone ales my vote goes for Glyphz...

**glyphz** · 02-22-2009, 10:11

Okay, finally starting to catch up (from p. 39), but took a look first at the summary thread. This one caught my attention.
Day 7

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

The more I read this, the more I think Seamus was the last grunt. This was a lynch write-up, so no tampering.
Doubt Vincenzo being included (in the write-up) was random. Him recognizing Seamus means something, IMO. I think this event implies that he's now by himself.

Next night N7...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Post 1251 of main thread.

Night 7

LittleGrizzly was sitting at his home watching T.V. When he heard a knock on the door. He was no fool though, after all the murders that had taken place he had a deadbolt chain-locked door to prevent intruders and stayed away from windows, so he wouldn't be shot by a sniper. He didn't want to be a easy kill, so he answered the door carefully.

When he opened the door with the chain on, there was a man in a business suit, who looked real down. Letting his guard down, he let the man in as he said he had something he wanted to discuss and it was "life threatening". LittleGrizzly was no fool though, he had the man sit on his couch and wait while he went to get some "snacks" which in this case, was a twelve gauge shotgun. Then he came back, only to find him gone. "Damn, I might have let the killer slip though our fingers", growled LittleGrizzly, he then found a box where the man had sat down. Curiosity got the better of him and he decided to open it up and KABLOOEE!! his house, along with several others were wiped off the Gameroom map. Once again, all the Chief of Police found when he arrived was a DVD entitled 'For Seamus', along with massive destruction.

Chief of Police shlin28, after watching and then discarding the DVD, was very annoyed. He had been hard at work all through the night and even the day, creating his greatest lynch method yet in the Gameroom Park. He had been "in the zone", so to speak, and having to drive to the murder scene to deal with yet another explosion had taken him out of his element. Whoever was to get executed tonight had better deserve every second of the awesomeness shlin was about to unleash, strictly for interrupting his work, yet alone killing off most of the town.

After a couple more labor-intensive hours, shlin finally took a step back, looked over at the man with a boombox playing "All My Life" by the Foo Fighters, and looked back at his work.

"There," he said, "It's done. Time to call everybody over."

Some minutes later, the villagers arrived and stared at was was before them. Despite shlin's pronouncements that this would be the greatest method of execution known to mankind, all they saw was leftover stuff from the previous few executions.

"Oh, you'll see," said shlin with a wicked grin on his face. "You will see."

...there was one kill, same as the last one, but the killer left a dedication to Seamus. There was also only 1 other case like this was Night 6: for Sasaki, and one night (N5) after he was killed by the unicyclist, who seems like a different faction from the mafia (the twist?) and seems like to be Psychonaut (

if it is you).
edit: I've yet to check the links

Theory (or at least the vibes I'm getting):
Sasaki Kojiro and Seamus Fermanagh were the grunts.
Take note that both are moderators (green) and seasoned veterans.
Question is who is the Godfather? Or who is likelier to pick Sasaki and Seamus (as his cohorts)?

Someone who has at least played w/ both? Don't know how much it would narrow the field, even if it were a legitimate question.

Still alive:
pevergreen (GH not allowing YLC to be WoG-ed due to inactivity... A role? Then again, if my theory fits, why would YLC want to abandon such a role?)
~~777Ares777~~
Andres (as TinCow mentioned, the last moderator standing. Could he have masterminded a green 'rush' against the blues?)
Quintus.JC (unless I'm mistaken, you've put quite an effort to push attention to 'low-posters.' Understandable, or suspicious)
~~White_eyes:D~~
Reenk Roink (a very bad coincidence if you were scum and chosen to be the replacement CoP by chance)
Beefy187 (100 posts! Then again, you tend to be in the upper tier in post count in games. Still..)
~~taka~~
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Veteran, but do not know much regarding your behavior, thus I cannot judge your activity)

My guesses, but I have doubts about its accuracy. I would appreciate someone giving me a hand on this (or your thoughts, at least).

Tally:

glyphz: 2 - 777Ares777, Beefy187
taka: 1 - Gaius Scribonius Curio

more edits:
attempt at some sort of defense (or for the sake of one)...
I think my post count so far, is pretty similar to previous behavior, not very talkative or 'lurkish' if you will. Relevant or not, I have missed at least 2 votes, and could be an eligible candidate to be WoG-ed, the next time I miss another one. Wouldn't you say that is risky for someone w/ a role, esp. one of the last remaining scum/s?

Anyway, I'd pick between Andres and pevergreen, but em still undecided. Heck, if town (still thinks I'm dubious) wants it, i'll stop posting and (eventually) get WoG-ed. I'd be fine w/ it, and I'd be in every sense be truly LURKING.

**Quintus.JC** · 02-22-2009, 11:21

Originally Posted by Beefy187

FoS: taka and glyphz

for now. Ill vote them later

I still don’t trust Curio, he probably isn’t classified as a lurker, but some of his posts just seemed to stay off the radar.

Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio

Reenk's selection as CoP does not exonerate him at all, as Chaotix has pointed out. However I don't think he is guilty.

Following Quintus's post I'm going to Vote:Taka. Quintus and Beefy together make a good case for him being a 'silent' killer.

Haven't got much time today, but I'll be back tomorrow or tuesday with an analysis of the remaining players, whether I'm lynched, or killed, in the meantime or not.

The above post really complies with Andres’ suspicion of him; slightly lurky, not offering his full opinion, Curio is normally much more in depth than this. Also the neutral tone in his posts, he has been off the radar throughout the game, with the exception of Andres no one has really put any pressure on him.

Originally Posted by taka

i too dont believe that Reenk is mafia, or else the host is really

'ing us up

i'm not fussed to be lynched, that will give me a bit more time to spend on the smaller games which i feel more comfortable with (less reading

)

I'll vote: glyphz since it would be either him or me i think and i obviously know im innocent

Taka’s defence is consistent with all the other games – busy in RealLife. And he genuinely doesn’t seems too fussed about getting lynched either, so I’m less certain about him.

Originally Posted by glyphz

Theory (or at least the vibes I'm getting):
Sasaki Kojiro and Seamus Fermanagh were the grunts.
Take note that both are moderators (green) and seasoned veterans.
Question is who is the Godfather? Or who is likelier to pick Sasaki and Seamus (as his cohorts)?

Someone who has at least played w/ both? Don't know how much it would narrow the field, even if it were a legitimate question.

Sasaki and Seamus would both be extremely dangerous picks since both are seasoned veterans, and therefore too obvious to be picked, but then they would be great picks because no one would be risky enough to pick them. I still think its unlikely that a person would pick both of them to be grunts though.

This is officially the first game I’ve played with Sasaki. Mafia VIII really shouldn’t count since it was my first mafia game and I practically got lost between all the FOS and the WOGs.

attempt at some sort of defense (or for the sake of one)...
I think my post count so far, is pretty similar to previous behavior, not very talkative or 'lurkish' if you will. Relevant or not, I have missed at least 2 votes, and could be an eligible candidate to be WoG-ed, the next time I miss another one. Wouldn't you say that is risky for someone w/ a role, esp. one of the last remaining scum/s?

Your post count and pattern is very similar to previous behaviour, problem is with this style you’ ve evaded attention and got to the end game as mafia countless times. Everyone remembers Ephesus, you also lurked in Whisper in the Night as mafia and got the last round (in the form of a perfect silence killer as well), with a team of Stonecutters you also survived the Simpsons mafia and emerged victorious after killing all the townsfolks.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-22-2009, 11:41

Another failure on my part.

I am going to commit seppuku and shut up. But frankly I think Reenk is a good choice.

Good play by the mafia in this one. Lurkers are also fine with me.

**Beefy187** · 02-22-2009, 12:30

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Another failure on my part.

I am going to commit seppuku and shut up. But frankly I think Reenk is a good choice.

Good play by the mafia in this one. Lurkers are also fine with me.

Im willing to let Reenk go.. I honestly don't think the host will put him on CoP duty. I don't think ill be damaged much if Reenk managed to win. His been nice to me, and his been playing extremely risky game for a GF.

glyphz wouldn't be too bad for a lynch. He might be mafia and even his not, we can count on his further contribution with his analysis.

taka and Ares scares me. They don't smell at all like a scum to me.

**glyphz** · 02-22-2009, 11:53

Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

Sasaki and Seamus would both be extremely dangerous picks since both are seasoned veterans, and therefore too obvious to be picked, but then they would be great picks because no one would be risky enough to pick them. I still think its unlikely that a person would pick both of them to be grunts though.

Unlikely you might say, but my theory stems from the write-up progression (lynch write-ups > kill write-ups), more notable in the separate Summary thread, where it filters out the 'noise.'

IMO, in such a classic game, reliable info comes out of write-ups (again, lynch write-ups > kill write-ups) & authentic detective reveal (sigh). I do suggest reading the write-ups in order, Sasaki's and especially Seamus' circumstances ('death,' 'post-death') are unique and IMO obvious 'tells.'

Originally Posted by Quintus.JC

Your post count and pattern is very similar to previous behaviour, problem is with this style you’ ve evaded attention and got to the end game as mafia countless times. Everyone remembers Ephesus, you also lurked in Whisper in the Night as mafia and got the last round (in the form of a perfect silence killer as well), with a team of Stonecutters you also survived the Simpsons mafia and emerged victorious after killing all the townsfolks.

The defense (or an excuse for one) was for the sake of one, other than "I'm innocent!." Can't really prove it. No way I can.
You're opinion, however, is an affirmation, of what I want to act if I get scum roles: not very distinguishable when I play townie. Even if it bites me when I play games where I'm pro-town (Such as this game, dare I say

).

**Beefy187** · 02-22-2009, 12:08

So I accuse Glyphz and he shows up with a great analysis

Unvote: Glyphz

For now.. I'm lost again...

**pevergreen** · 02-22-2009, 12:13

Originally Posted by Beefy187

So I accuse Glyphz and he shows up with a great analysis

Unvote: Glyphz

For now.. I'm lost again...

Simply analysing does not mean he is innocent. Good defences can come from mafia. That is what he is doing, defending himself.

Vote: Glyphz

Just to put the pressure back on.

I'm still looking at you Ares.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-22-2009, 12:42

EDIT: Deleted. See SkyNet below.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 02-22-2009, 13:28

I accuse 777Ares777

The spoiler is the complete list of your actions, more or less, in the game. it has not been formatted for easy viewing, so I am going to follow Andres and Tincow's advice and skip down to the HUMANISH version:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Early game: Lots of jokes and activity. Has trouble with grammar and spelling. Defends Beefy187 and talks about the game writeups. Begins hammering Sasaki Kojiro. Doesn't let up on him for a while.

Early/middle game:
Activity drops off substantially. He posts once or twice a page, and is absent for long periods. Lazily accuses YLC and Ignoramus, who both turn out to be innocent or 99% innocent.

Accuses me, which is fine. But then he suddenly does an about face and gets a stroke of genius: Defend Askthepizzaguy.

Middle/late game:
Nothing much in activity pages 10 or 11. Is "convinced I am innocent" page 12 (80ppp)

Totally bandwagons TevashSzat and follows my lead completely. At this point he drops below everyone's radar, allowing me to make a giant mess of things while he starts to lurk.

Late game:
Defends beefy some more later... does a lazy analysis post 1252, and starts voting lurkers.

He is very adamant and outspoken about his belief that the heavy posters are innocent (convenient, since he's a heavy poster) and the lurkers must be guilty.

_____________

Activity:
He was here for every single night phase, from my earlier activity report on shlin28... where I wasn't even focused on him! I was very thorough for a reason...

voting pattern:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Analysis: the character of his voting has changed to suit his needs. Instead of doing proper analyses, he sees fit to abstain (less suspicion on him that way) or bandwagon the lurkers or the people I have accused.

Bottom line:

His activity during all the night phases is a tell. His early accuse of me, followed by a sudden reversal, followed by massive amounts of "post-lurking" (lurk, lurk, lurk, quickpost, disappear) shows that he wants to lurk and not gain attention, but not get fingered for lurking. He's made a point of arguing that people who post more are innocent.

Ever since I did my earlier judgment call that he was innocent, he's been basically sucking up to me. He's been gliding through the game with no suspicion on him of note, he's been very active but hasn't contributed that much, especially in the late game where he's been forced to make big decisions which he's backed off from.

From this, if he were the Godfather, his strategy seems obvious. Show up and do your night murders, and lurk during the day, do a lazy post here and there to keep the post count high enough, support the bandwagon on most everyone I've accused, and pick on the lurkers.

Is he scum? This isn't proof. However. If he were the Godfather, this would explain a lot.

Refuses the Chief of Police role. Gives excuse (browser froze) for not doing more. Precisely the same excuse Rythmic gave in Family Guy.

He's never had any real heat on him. His mafia scum partners would probably have avoided mentioning him altogether, and if they did mention him, they never would have gone after him.

He's the top candidate at the moment to be the Godfather.