The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

I just got up and I'm off in 4 hours or so.

I don't think I can spend much time posting a lot as I have to pack a few things..

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh man I picked a bad time to have to finish a paper in two hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, you won't be here for the final vote.

Such a shame. Such a shame that Beefy won't be here for the final vote. We need all the other townies to vote the same way... there's no margin for error here. If all the mafia vote for someone, then the townies must also all vote the same way to beat them, if there are 2 murders tonight.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza. The Atom Heart Mother suite is an instrumental song. There are no lyrics. Go past the first website linked on google.

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/pink-f...te-lyrics.html

This is the very first link from the google search.

Nominating pizza for "honorary jester"

[Thermal]

Beefy, you won't be here for the final vote.

Such a shame. Such a shame that Beefy won't be here for the final vote. We need all the other townies to vote the same way... there's no margin for error here. If all the mafia vote for someone, then the townies must also all vote the same way to beat them, if there are 2 murders tonight.

If they listen to you its a blessing hes going to stop town losing this entire game you senile madman!

[Thermal]

Sasaki's defense of you is telling, seeing as he's a scumbag, as determined by our Nude Unicyclist.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

ATPG makes a good point regarding the numerous references to numbers, and in particular the Gods mentioned. That said it would seem to me to be a leap of faith trusting the songs. For all we know it could be (although I find it unlikely) that the mafia have the ability to pick the songs, and thus mislead us.....

And Andres, voting for me without a glance at my attempted defence... calculated, or attempting to get by with the minimum of questions answered? Either it way it looks a little suspicious....

[Reenk Roink]

All I have to say Atpg is that you ahve come up with what 6 distinct major theories (not to mention probably hundreds of smaller theories) and unfortunately, though they turn out to be wrong each time, people still listen to you.

I am not lynching Aries on your advice, I encourage the townies not to do so as well. We should lynch Andres. Aries and the others can warrant a better look later on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

see post 1462 ATPG, most of your case is inaccurate.

One: The Atom Heart Mother Suite Google Search for lyrics revealed.... lyrics. For the wrong song? Fine I don't know why, but it's the TOP GOOGLE ENTRY for that song.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And by the way, GeneralHankerchief would not use an instrumental song to be a clue, because there are no clues in an instrumental song. He must have been REFERRING to what popped up on the Google Search for Atom heart mother suite, which had lots and lots of greek gods in it.

Maybe TinCow can explain it better... I am NOT GOOD WITH MUSIC. All I know is that TinCow produced a clue from that.... Astronomy Domine... also by Pink Floyd.



Would one of the other townies assist me here? I can't do this on my own. Music isn't my forte and all the other songs have numbers or Gods in them. Ask TinCow about Astronomy Domine... I don't know.

Fine, ignore Astronomy Domine for one moment. WHY do all the other songs have numbers or Gods in them? Numbers... Gods... numbers... Gods...

Hmmm? What's the defense for that? And why did TinCow produce Astronomy Domine... dangit I'm looking at his original post.

Two: After getting the correct "All my life" song, the same clues were still there. So what do you have to say?

"the" is hardly a damning clue, Sasaki. The fact that you're scum and defending Ares after I presented this case is actually a more damning clue. Plus Ares is all over SkyNet's analysis as a scumbag, his behavior is that of a scumbag, and our trustworthy townies think he's possibly a scumbag. He's active right now, at night, as usual. talking to you no doubt. Formulating your endgame strategy.

Boombox guy has been blasting clues that all indicates 777Ares777 ALL GAME. Explain yourself, defend yourself, and don't act like this isn't a devastating case. You can shrug it off, but your repeated dismissals of it make me laugh. If it's such a bad case, why is Sasaki, the accused scumbag (via vigilante) defending Ares over a bad case?

If the case is so bad, why don't you ignore it, Ares? Why not let town decide if it's a bad case.


@Reenk Roink:
Good thing you cannot vote. And how wrong are my theories? Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. I went home and determined Sasaki was scum, came back to post my theory and guess what??? He was scum but someone else figured that out and offed him. The mafia can recruit. That's the game twist. And Reenk, you appear to be scum too. But you're not the Godfather.

IF YOU WERE A TOWNIE, You'd look at my case objectively and conclude that EVERY SONG points at Ares. You're no townie.

[naut]

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/pink-f...te-lyrics.html

This is the very first link from the google search.

We can debate this all you want, but all of the songs here have references to Gods or Numbers in them.

That website is wrong those are the lyrics to Pink Floyd's Astronime Domine. Atom Heart Mother doesn't have lyrics, except "Silence in the studio" near the end.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That website is wrong those are the lyrics to Pink Floyd's Astronime Domine. Atom Heart Mother doesn't have lyrics, except "Silence in the studio" near the end.

Yeah, I know. Like I said, ignore that. TinCow also produced that from a Google search, and I was using his data. So ignore that, or ask TinCow because I don't know songs. I only know what Generalhankerchief posted.

ALL THE OTHER SONGS also point at Gods and Numbers, in the title or in the lyrics. What is the alternative explanation?

[TinCow]

Apparently the lyrics I posted earlier are wrong. If true, I can only shrug. Google gave me lyrics to that song, and I don't know it otherwise so I would have no way to verify whether they were accurate or not. As I've noted previously in my own analyses of the songs, they are at best, supplementary evidence. For a couple days now I've been reduced to little more than gut instinct, and at the moment that gut instinct is saying Andres. Also, sushi, but that's a different part of my gut.

[Reenk Roink]

@Reenk Roink:
Good thing you cannot vote. And how wrong are my theories? Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. I went home and determined Sasaki was scum, came back to post my theory and guess what??? He was scum but someone else figured that out and offed him. The mafia can recruit. That's the game twist. And Reenk, you appear to be scum too. But you're not the Godfather.

IF YOU WERE A TOWNIE, You'd look at my case objectively and conclude that EVERY SONG points at Ares. You're no townie.

How many scum are there in the game by your count Atpg? Oh, wait the Mafia can recruit now. Is there any primary evidence for this, or is it a convenient theory that supports your predetermined scums?

I love you Atpg, but I will go back and craft another lynch writeup and wait for the moment for you to be proven wrong... again, which is also something I love.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"the" is hardly a damning clue, Sasaki.

On the contrary brother pizza. Although the presence of the word "one" CLEARLY indicates 777Ares777, it does so in a way that shows he has a role as a superdetective, capable of investigating the entire town in one night. The word "the" can hardly be a coincidence--how many songs does it appear in? It is clear who it is pointing at, ergo, ipso facto, concordantly, vis a vis...

Ares is a scumbag...Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. ... Sasaki was scum...And Reenk, you appear to be scum...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok... hey, fellows, it's your game too. Lynch whomever you like.

If you follow all of Ares behavior all game, it doesn't make much sense. First he's sure I am scum, then he's sure I am innocent, then he abstains and lurks a lot but is active every night phase, then SkyNet reveals everything he's done is scummy, and I believe it's done so for at least 2 other mafioso this game, and furthermore EVERY SONG has a reference to Gods or Numbers in it.

Lynch who you like, but if Ares has 2 living henchmen still from recruitment, and they both can vote, then you're toast in the upcoming rounds.

I offered my opinion, and it was so damaging that Sasaki Kojiro, who we almost universally think is scum, shows up to defend Ares.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On the contrary brother pizza. Although the presence of the word "one" CLEARLY indicates 777Ares777, it does so in a way that shows he has a role as a superdetective, capable of investigating the entire town in one night. The word "the" can hardly be a coincidence--how many songs does it appear in? It is clear who it is pointing at, ergo, ipso facto, concordantly, vis a vis...

right. And I'm the Godfather, obviously, because I'm dead. And the vigilante didn't accuse you of being scum, and then die the very next night. And of course, my case is so weak you feel that 777Ares777 cannot defend HIMSELF, you must do it for him.

Laugh all you like, it's not very convincing!

And how about the TRIPLE ones?

111? Surely that doesn't indicate 777. The two, the three in the titles... the songs that repeat three times a single line, or the references to god or gods.
Such a bad case. Not to mention yours and his activity, particularly his, every night except his 3 day absence, or his voting pattern, or yours and his flip-flop regarding whether I am scum or not.

[TinCow]

ALL THE OTHER SONGS also point at Gods and Numbers, in the title or in the lyrics. What is the alternative explanation?

Occam's Razor.

Karn Evil 9, First Impression, Part 2 - GH's way of welcoming us to the game.

Perry Mason - Something about the detective that we can't figure out, though again I point out that Perry Mason was an attorney, not a detective.

You woke up this Morning - No frickin' clue.

Escalator of Life - No frickin' clue.

One Love - Clear statement by GH that we should all get along after the game got a bit intense.

Still Alive - The mafia is still around.

All My Life - Either the mafia or the town is getting 'close' to winning.

Atom Heart Mother Suite - GH is probably stoned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

Plus the references to God.

If they aren't put there deliberately, then why those specific songs? especially when we cannot find an explanation for them? And why is Sasaki defending Ares? Even you, TinCow, think Sasaki is scum, don't you?



Listen, you will never, ever, get more evidence pointing the finger directly at one person from a host again without it being totally unfair for the Godfather. I've determined that the twist of the game is that the mafia can recruit, something that Ares himself suggested earlier. I will dig out the links myself if I need to.

Nevermind it was Shlin28:

Edit: Or maybe the twist in this game is mafia recruitment.

But at least one other person thinks the mafia can recruit.

Listen, I am a big blabbermouth and a bloodhound who is sniffing a strong scent of scum from Ares. Please help me understand why all the clues in the game point to him.

1. Voting patterns
2. Activity
3. Flip-Flopping (Sasaki versus me, Ares versus me... first Sasaki is OK with me, then suddenly reverses for no reason and "ignores" me, which obviously he's NOT actually doing... then Ares who suddenly reverses and thinks I am scum one moment, and totally innocent the next, and Sasaki is defending Ares)
4. Song writeups all indicate Gods or Numbers
5. SkyNet, which did nail at least 2 mafia this game, I swear it... but ignore that if you want.

I am not always right. But if you look at Ares objectively, the evidence is too compelling to ignore, isn't it???

Someone either commit me to a mental hospital or explain WHO IN THIS GAME is objectively more the Godfather than Ares.

It's been suggested: Reenk or Andres.

I think they are the new henchmen. They are both acting scummy, for sure, and both defending Ares.
But if you don't kill the Godfather, he will just recruit more henchmen.






I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

[LittleGrizzly]

I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

Jump! Jump! Jump!

ok ok... I think your putting too much faith into the song choices, better off focusing on the rest of your case, you've certainly made him a suspect in my eyes... along with Andres and Reenk but TBH the only person i would put money on his innocence is pevergreen...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

right. And I'm the Godfather, obviously, because I'm dead. And the vigilante didn't accuse you of being scum, and then die the very next night. And of course, my case is so weak you feel that 777Ares777 cannot defend HIMSELF, you must do it for him.

Laugh all you like, it's not very convincing!

And how about the TRIPLE ones?

111? Surely that doesn't indicate 777. The two, the three in the titles... the songs that repeat three times a single line, or the references to god or gods.
Such a bad case. Not to mention yours and his activity, particularly his, every night except his 3 day absence, or his voting pattern, or yours and his flip-flop regarding whether I am scum or not.

Sorry brother pizza it's plain as day. The mafia can recruit from the dead (NOT the living) and they have made you a new henchman. The clues in the first writeup which I alluded to starting here and continuing in posts 69, 70, and 75 (I edited them out almost instantly out of caution) reveal this capability. I'm still researching the way to kill those who are already "dead"--if that is indeed necessary, it may be that their purpose is only to distract.

[TinCow]

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

Not true. It's GH's way of having a bit of fun and commenting on the game without making any official statements.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

It's possible that there are some hints in some lyrics, but definitely NOT in all of the songs. The first song was definitely a 'Welcome to Godfather 3' gesture. 'One Love' was definitely a commentary on the nastiness that went on in the game that round. If GH is making broad commentary like that with those two songs, he is likely doing it with the others as well. As others have noted, GH would not make any clue too direct. He likes pure mafia games, and anything that goes so far as to name a specific living person as mafioso gives the town too large an advantage. In his last game the clue he gave the town was to inform them that there actually wasn't a detective in the game. If GH were to drop clues in this game, I think they would be very amorphous and, at best, would name multiple people at the same time. This is why I jumped on the greenness of the false lyrics. Green could have meant many people, including several who were dead. That's about as good as I would expect a GH clue to get. If there are any clues at all in this game, they're probably about the 'twist,' whatever that may be.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

Jump! Jump! Jump!

ok ok... I think your putting too much faith into the song choices, better off focusing on the rest of your case, you've certainly made him a suspect in my eyes... along with Andres and Reenk but TBH the only person i would put money on his innocence is pevergreen...

I determined that Ares was the best candidate long before I even LOOKED at the songs.

But... the songs do ALSO indicate Ares, more than anyone else in this game.

1. numbers... only a few people left alive have numbers in their name
2. god or gods... only one person left alive is a direct reference to a god or gods
3. 111... is a triple number
4. lyrics repeating three times in at least one song.

Sasaki himself suggested that the writeups might not be an indication until late game. Now he has no serious alternative theories.

And vote the lurker... it's a very persuasive strategy that all the current suspected mafia are proposing, and none of them are lurkers.

But focus on the meat of my argument against Ares in my earlier accusation, it's fairly good stuff, and I also cleared many people for being under pressure all game but never defended, targets of the scumbags, or doing suicidal behaviors or very, very risky behaviors.

Ares is the only remaining person who the suspected scumbags seem to have a problem with killing. Everyone else is fair game.

[Reenk Roink]

Sorry brother pizza it's plain as day. The mafia can recruit from the dead (NOT the living) and they have made you a new henchman. The clues in the first writeup which I alluded to starting here and continuing in posts 69, 70, and 75 (I edited them out almost instantly out of caution) reveal this capability. I'm still researching the way to kill those who are already "dead"--if that is indeed necessary, it may be that their purpose is only to distract.

Sasaki is misleading you Atpg.

The fact is there are 2 Godfathers, and then a third party came up when I was made the Chief of Police allowing me to become The Wanax, a feared level 29 Psychic Pokemon. Both the dead and living can be converted by these Godfathers, and what's worse, they can convert each others henchmen so I don't even know who my minions are...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki is misleading you Atpg.

The fact is there are 2 Godfathers, and then a third party came up when I was made the Chief of Police allowing me to become The Wanax, a feared level 29 Psychic Pokemon. Both the dead and living can be converted by these Godfathers, and what's worse, they can convert each others henchmen so I don't even know who my minions are...

Eh, I was semi-joking before but this last is serious. I'll get to work on that writeup about the clues in the first post.

[Thermal]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

Plus the references to God.

If they aren't put there deliberately, then why those specific songs? especially when we cannot find an explanation for them? And why is Sasaki defending Ares? Even you, TinCow, think Sasaki is scum, don't you?



Listen, you will never, ever, get more evidence pointing the finger directly at one person from a host again without it being totally unfair for the Godfather. I've determined that the twist of the game is that the mafia can recruit, something that Ares himself suggested earlier. I will dig out the links myself if I need to.

Nevermind it was Shlin28:



But at least one other person thinks the mafia can recruit.

Listen, I am a big blabbermouth and a bloodhound who is sniffing a strong scent of scum from Ares. Please help me understand why all the clues in the game point to him.

1. Voting patterns
2. Activity
3. Flip-Flopping (Sasaki versus me, Ares versus me... first Sasaki is OK with me, then suddenly reverses for no reason and "ignores" me, which obviously he's NOT actually doing... then Ares who suddenly reverses and thinks I am scum one moment, and totally innocent the next, and Sasaki is defending Ares)
4. Song writeups all indicate Gods or Numbers
5. SkyNet, which did nail at least 2 mafia this game, I swear it... but ignore that if you want.

I am not always right. But if you look at Ares objectively, the evidence is too compelling to ignore, isn't it???

Someone either commit me to a mental hospital or explain WHO IN THIS GAME is objectively more the Godfather than Ares.

It's been suggested: Reenk or Andres.

I think they are the new henchmen. They are both acting scummy, for sure, and both defending Ares.
But if you don't kill the Godfather, he will just recruit more henchmen.






I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

ummm, silence, kinda ! Were only on a forum and your giving me earache

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Reenk Roink]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think I'll take a cue from Sasaki Kojiro... seeing as how he's ignored me all game after I started intensely questioning his methods earlier, so I couldn't continue... but now he's obviously NOT ignoring me.



It's so obvious to me what's going on. If you want to fool the town, Sasaki, you're better off not directing your arguments at me, but at them. I don't trust you, and I'm following suit with your original tactic, which is to put you on ignore for the remainder of the game.

Ignores Sasaki Kojiro, but not really.

As for Reenk, he's not being serious at all, and he's not responding to me honestly, so same with him.

Ignores Reenk Roink, courteously.



(I'm not being serious, but I am pointing out that the "ignore" tactic is nothing more than hiding.)

As for 777Ares777, I dared him to defend himself, and he's failed utterly in that regard. He's moved on to other games now, because he knows that the cat is out of the bag.

I will NOT put Ares on ignore. The onus is on him now to defend himself, Sasaki can no longer do that for him for the remainder of the game in my eyes.

I don't believe a word Andres says now, due to his case against Gaius which he pulled out of the clear blue sky, and most of it made absolutely no sense and was instantly refuted, but he won't drop it.


At this point, I'm making my case to the people I've already cleared as innocent, because you've ALL been mafia targets for lynch all game, accused of being lurkers, suspected on poor reasoning, and the only person that's really avoided such harassment is Ares.

I also am making my case to the trustworthy dead, like Psychonaut and TinCow and most of the rest of you. I have seen nothing which even begins to refute the evidence against Ares, barring some minor technical difficulties on the song evidence which still do not significantly damage the case, because all the evidence STILL points the way of Ares, greek god, with sevens.



I am content, at this time, to either shut up at your command, or continue the prosecution. I believe the proof is right before your eyes. See Sasaki Kojiro defend Ares... see Reenk defend Ares... see Andres ignore Ares as a suspect... see TevashSzat's silence... see Lord Winter's silence... see that Ares has been on the org almost every single night phase, and day phase, and hasn't contributed much of substance and STILL appears to have a strategy of abstaining, lynching the easy targets like lurkers, and trying to avoid attention.

I'm convinced it's him. I've laid my case... I am listening to the rest of you, of course, and I'm sure you're tired of listening to me.

Do as you will, and I'll support it. I've done what I can.

[Beefy187]

Beefy, you won't be here for the final vote.

Such a shame. Such a shame that Beefy won't be here for the final vote. We need all the other townies to vote the same way... there's no margin for error here. If all the mafia vote for someone, then the townies must also all vote the same way to beat them, if there are 2 murders tonight.

I'll be staying at my cousins and I'm not taking my laptop as his house aren't wireless.

I bet he'll be telling me to study anyway..
So I'll try and hop on the PC or laptop if I can. But only time I think I can get on is in the next few hours before I go off and tonight. Ill be heading home straight from the exam which finishes 2 oclock ish PM tomorrow, then I'm heading back home which takes about 2 hours train trip.

So I wish my friends good luck. Wish them all the best

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good luck, Beefster!



See you after the game ends with wailing and gnashing of teeth and clenching of fists... mostly from me.



I am still having fun over here. This is delightful.