The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[naut]

Hey Andres.

[taka]

i wish andres would come on and say something

[Beefy187]

I bet two green balloons that he'll show up and build a massive case against me.

Now back to watching Terminator..

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I bet two green balloons that he'll show up and build a massive case against me.

Now back to watching Terminator..

If you think he's guilty, then why do you think he would vote you when taka and reenk already have votes on them?

[Jolt]

Now you can say, "andres did that to frame beefy", but why bother? A frame is chancy and you already had a vote almost guaranteed.

I return to the same point I used to build the case against Andres. I believe he's staking everything on how he is unsuspectable, thus he is making decisions that continually shift the blame from him. Just as he was not gonna vote to get rid of another player in Sudden Death (Decision that might draw attention), people might start to notice that those who said Andres was the godfather for whatever unfounded reason began dropping dead. As the reasons people gave for Andres being the godfather were rather badly based, Andres could claim the fact that he had said nothing to make people suspicious of him, which, taking into account that there were other flamboyant players in the game who unwillingly shifted attention to themselves, led to the majority of the town to leave him alone for the whole length of the game. Thus there was little to no reason for Andres to start killing those few people who said he was the godfather. They were a minority and relatively ignored.

EDIT: On the other hand, (presuming he is the godfather) beefy's tactic of wtfpwning everyone who was going to vote for him is extremely suspicious and rather suicidal for a final rounds Mafia behaviour with GF as single survivor. I'm not sure, but I think beefy is smarter than that.

[Beefy187]

Because if Andres votes for taka and Reenk, both of them are likely to go "wtf" and vote for Andres.

Its better for Andres to vote for me as he was suspecting me previous round and hope that taka and Reenk will change the vote on me after building up a convincing case.

taka and Reenk votes are dead lock. Its not going anywhere. Its going to be either me or Andres

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wow.
....Wow.


Me is very, very surprised. So, Reenk Roink's behavior, scummy as it was, is being largely ignored?

You're going to give him a pass on that last round's nonsense?

Living townies, discussion mode please. Talk to me. I am curious to hear your thoughts. Could we actually win this one?

[Beefy187]

I've decided to let Reenk go

Now you can go "beefy must be grunt and Reenk is god father" but mathematic shows that there is only a God Father left.

Reenk has been Reenk (suspicious) all game
taka has been lurking (suspicious) all game
Andres has been acting too town (suspicious) all game
Beefy has been... suspicious all game

Like the politicians there is no good ones out there.. We pick those who are better then others.

[Reenk Roink]

Atpg please do keep trying, you only serve to turn off attention and suspicion on me.

Give Andres some time guys, things do come up...

PS: All I know is that although I'm uncertain what the other three are, if you kill me the town loses the game, and that is certain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Andres
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka

Should be simple, yes?


Andres-
If he's the Godfather, he pulled off the most brilliant performance EVER.
EVER!!! EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA GAMES!!! And therefore, I grant him the victory. He completely evaded my scum detectors all game, and he made a compelling case earlier. Listen, you deserve a pat on the back for fooling me all this time, if you were the Godfather. Well done, sir... you smelled like a townie to me most of the game. I just kind of questioned your Gaius Scribonius Curio move... and you seemed to be almost working together with Reenk, who I just cannot figure for a townie. So, it looked like he was protecting you.

Beefy187

As payment for all the times you have suffered a dumb, dumb, dumb lynching, I hereby grant YOU the victory, Beefy. Very coolly played, and you convinced ME you were a townie. You had all these people protecting you, which is an odd gambit to play if you were the Godfather. It made me wonder if we should lynch you anyway, just to tick them off. Whatever. Well done, sir... you smelled like a townie to me the whole time.

Taka

You lurky lurker, you... naughty naughty!
However. You know how suicidal it is to lurk in a game with me in it, especially after I showed you my files (before this game started). You risked DEATH all game long, with repeated accusations, threats, and whatnot. No one defended you all game, and that was brilliant. Look, if Taka is the Godfather, kudos, and have the victory, dangit! Well done, sir... you smelled like a townie to me the whole time, even though I said you should die for lurking. I figure that's the reason the mafia never killed you.

And as for Reenk Roink...

Your performance last round was bad, bad, bad townie behavior. If you were a townie, you should never do that. All that voting and unvoting, and you've been basically wrong all game as to who the scummy parties were. Your vehement defenses and your desire to eliminate your enemies is un-townie. SkyNet pointed all over you... and if there is no henchman, given your attitude, then you are objectively much, much scummier than Andres. And you should know better, you're a veteran, and you know how much this game means to all the townies. You can be the jokester and the prankster all you like, of course... just remember when it comes down to the wire, townies should work together with the other townies, not try to confuse them.

I refuse to let it drop on you. Everything you've done all game tells me that if town is going to die, you should go with them. But even more, everything I've seen in mafia games tells me that you are scum, and that you were a bit too obvious about it for comfort.

Sorry, pal... no hard feelings, it's just business. This zombie is very, very hungry for mafia blood, and you are the only living being left in town who can satisfy my craving for human flesh.

Shall we die together, Reenk?


FOS: REENK ROINK
Kill him! Kill him! Kill him! Good mafia or bad townie, he deserves death, and the other players deserve victory!!!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

EDIT: On the other hand, (presuming he is the godfather) beefy's tactic of wtfpwning everyone who was going to vote for him is extremely suspicious and rather suicidal for a final rounds Mafia behaviour with GF as single survivor. I'm not sure, but I think beefy is smarter than that.

But if he hadn't killed them they would be voting for him. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If I was mafia, I would much rather eliminate those who are planning on voting me and then if questioned claim wifom. The death of ares and quintus certainly hasn't brought a lot of votes on beefy has it?

But my main case on beefy I laid out yesterday.

I just don't see Andres going for the "Kill my supporter, lynch my mafia partner" strategy when they probably could have won by both voting reenk.

Then we have last nights kill.

Andres doesn't strike as guilty to me, either does Taka. Reenk's behavouir deserves a lynch almost any round of the game, but at this stage it's getting too critical and you can't just lynch someone because they aren't helping, you have to lynch the mafia/GF.

Andres could have killed taka. This might have pointed to him, you say, and this is the same argument we've been having. A vote on your side is worth a theoritical two against you is what I say. But he also could have killed beefy. Beefy was voting qjc, and so would suspicion have fallen on qjc?

I guess what it comes down to is that to believe Andres is the GF you have to believe he made poor decisions with who to kill. Heck, Andres and WE could probably have gotten beefy or reenk lynched yesterday.

It's a choice between "Andres is an ultra tricky mafioso who put himself at risk multiple times and deliberately put himself in tough situations" and "Beefy is a mafioso who slipped under the radar most of the game and made night kills that would benefit him".

Beefy is the clear choice.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Atpg please do keep trying, you only serve to turn off attention and suspicion on me.

Give Andres some time guys, things do come up...

PS: All I know is that although I'm uncertain what the other three are, if you kill me the town loses the game, and that is certain.

I don't bother considering you a suspect just because it would be the best mafia victory ever if you pulled all these stunts as the godfather

[Reenk Roink]

I don't bother considering you a suspect just because it would be the best mafia victory ever if you pulled all these stunts as the godfather

We have to play games inside the game. I'll explain what I mean when this is done.

FOS: REENK ROINK
Kill him! Kill him! Kill him! Good mafia or bad townie, he deserves death, and the other players deserve victory!!!

Remember your little statement that you were happy I didn't have a vote Atpg?

Good thing you don't have a vote!

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Askthepizzaguy]

What will kill the town is if we have our votes divided. All the TOWNIES should agree on who to lynch, and all vote unanimously to kill the Godfather. Last round was a huge cluster of fudge, and we don't need a repeat of that.

OK? Andres, Taka, Beefy... uh... Reenk... I guess... IF YOU ARE GOING TO WIN, You must agree on who the Godfather is, because I can guarantee you one thing... whoever the Godfather is, will be part of the vote which lynches a townie. The Godfather will not have it tied at 1 vote per person, and if the townies leave it with their votes all over the place, guess what? One vote change, and the Godfather gets away. Just making sure it's clear. We failed to get the Godfather in all previous rounds, and this is the final round.

Everyone who is loyal to town needs to pick ONE candidate, and gamble on the other candidate's innocence. I say that you can cross off Taka just due to the sheer ballsiness of lurking so much and being near the chopping block and on the top of everyone's suspect list. So that leaves you with 3 remaining candidates. Reenk, out of those three, seems the scummiest, and on purpose too. So, if he wants to die so badly, let him. Andres did a good job, and Beefy is due. That's my assessment.

But townies... you have to do a unanimous vote. No ties. None of that nonsense...

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

Reenk Roink's gotta go! Hey hey, ho ho! Reenk Roink has gotta go! Hey hey, ho ho!




I'll even take all the blame if we lose.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I say we pick the top two suspects and tie the votes. Let's see what the "wonderful" thing GH has planned is. Possibly letting the dead vote? Or something newer, he's done that before.

[Reenk Roink]

I say we pick the top two suspects and tie the votes. Let's see what the "wonderful" thing GH has planned is. Possibly letting the dead vote? Or something newer, he's done that before.

I would agree and comply but I want to win now!

[Askthepizzaguy]

No ties.

A vote change by the Godfather OBVIOUSLY ends the game in favor of the mafia in the event of a tie, and a last minute vote change.

Bad Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No ties.

A vote change by the Godfather OBVIOUSLY ends the game in favor of the mafia in the event of a tie.

Bad Sasaki.

Unless the godfather is one of those who has votes on him.

[Reenk Roink]

Ok Sasaki, I've reconsidered, tell me what to do!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I say we pick the top two suspects and tie the votes. Let's see what the "wonderful" thing GH has planned is. Possibly letting the dead vote? Or something newer, he's done that before.

Okay, yeah, it's letting the dead vote. I just wanted an excuse to throw in the "2010" quote.

[Reenk Roink]

Okay, yeah, it's letting the dead vote. I just wanted an excuse to throw in the "2010" quote.

Hmm, nevermind then! Not that I have anything against the dead in GENERAL voting, but I've had certain folks killed off for a reason, and I've finally found some joy in voting - when it is a select privilege.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mmmkay....


Here it goes!

Candidate number 1: (voted by the Godfather, and Innocent townie number One)
Candidate number 2: (Voted by Innocent townie number Two, and Three)

In the last moments of the game:

The Godfather- Unvotes: Candidate number 1
Votes: Candidate number 2 (obviously it's not him)

And then:

Candidate number 2 dies with 3 votes, and the Godfather wins.

Town, listen to Sasaki and Reenk's good old plan to tie the votes, and you will... what's the word... can't remember. Oh yes... end up like ME.

DEAD.


NO TIES


Look at Sasaki and Reenk's plan to TIE THE VOTES.
Ahem. You know town loses when the Godfather changes his votes.
UNANIMOUS DECISION. ALL 3 TOWNIES MUST VOTE FOR ONE CANDIDATE.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

NO TIES[/SIZE]

Honestly I'd prefer it if we lynched beefy straight out but if that isn't an option we can do it democratically:

Andres 2 (Beefy, Reenk)
Beefy 2 (taka, Andres)

Tie. It fails if neither Andres or Beefy is the godfather (as you believe clearly). But putting three votes on someone fails if that one person isn't the godfather. Letting the dead vote would make for a dramatic ending and might even push this game over the 2k mark

It would also drastically improve the ratio of townies to mafia which should theoretically improve the towns odds.

[Beefy187]

If the God Father is indeed me, switching votes won't happen.

The deadline for the vote is 3 o clock in the morning for me. I got strict "Off the computer by 11" rule and I cannot be bothered to break it..

I think waiting for Andres sounds like a plan, although I got nothing planned so I'll stick around and talk to pizza guy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki...

You're a smart guy, and you know there is ZERO chance that the Godfather will allow the final vote here to end in a tie.

As such, I must ask the town to ignore you, as you once ignored me.

[Reenk Roink]

To have a tie, you will need all four remaining players to cooperate. This one will certainly not.

[Beefy187]

Would be funny if we end up on the 4 way tie on the final round

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll never play this game again if you let the round end in a tie.

It is the equivalent of the entire town surrendering to the mafia, because the Godfather WILL change his vote, and you all will die.

[Reenk Roink]

I'll never play this game again if you let the round end in a tie.

It is the equivalent of the entire town surrendering to the mafia, because the Godfather WILL change his vote, and you all will die.

Oh come now Atpg, this is just being a bad sport with statements like these...