berserker unit attribute: possible addition to EB for BI

[Ferromancer]

Hello. I'm thinking of adding the berserker unit attribute to EB for BI, but I don't know enough about it yet to make a good decision. Here is the description for it:

Berserker units can go berserk (BI Only)

And it replaces one of the other stat_mental "discipline" attributes (low, normal, disciplined, impetuous).

What does it do *exactly*? It is like "run amok" for elephants? Do they automatically fight to the death instead of fleeing? Any state bonuses I should be aware of? Does it displace special unit abilities like shield_wall or warcry?

It could be an interesting addition for units like the gaesatae and other elite barbarian units.

[desert]

In Paeninsula Italica, it makes a single unit of Campanian mercenaries destroy a fullstack. You also lose all control of the unit while it basically destroys all enemy soldiers on the field.

So .

Giving it to Gaesatae would make it more unbalanced than heavy cavalry vs peasants in vanilla RTW.

[antisocialmunky]

They were drugged up and couldn't feel pain. I'd buy it.

[Ferromancer]

A *full stack*? Of what, gallic levies? Good lord. Might as well give them AK-47s.

[Olaf Blackeyes]

Guns of the South anyone??

[gamegeek2]

Seriously, I pitted a unit of berserkers against 5 units of spearmen in a BI custom battle, and the fight was close, though the spearmen came through. Against 20 units of peasants, the berserkers won a handy victory.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Guns of the South anyone??

Yeah, but this is the Antiquity, and not Civil War. Harry Turtledove is the best though. No better author than him.

[Aper]

In Paeninsula Italica, it makes a single unit of Campanian mercenaries destroy a fullstack. You also lose all control of the unit while it basically destroys all enemy soldiers on the field.

So .

Giving it to Gaesatae would make it more unbalanced than heavy cavalry vs peasants in vanilla RTW.

maybe you should also explain that Paeninsula Italica current version is a beta, but the EDU is still alpha = its only purpouse is to make possible to launch the game; it is completely unbalanced right now, and we are on the initial stage of applying our theoric model.

I know because actually I am the responsible for the EDU

[desert]

Well, I didn't know that! All I did was download it after looking at the faction previews thread.

[mcantu]

maybe you should also explain that Paeninsula Italica current version is a beta, but the EDU is still alpha = its only purpouse is to make possible to launch the game; it is completely unbalanced right now, and we are on the initial stage of applying our theoric model.

I know because actually I am the responsible for the EDU

i saw the PI EDU almost a year ago...what you have now is much more than an alpha

[Ludens]

What does it do *exactly*? It is like "run amok" for elephants? Do they automatically fight to the death instead of fleeing? Any state bonuses I should be aware of? Does it displace special unit abilities like shield_wall or warcry?

I am not sure what exactly the bonus is, but it's a special ability (and thus cannot be combined with other special abilities) and in my short time playing vanilla BI I haven't seen a berserk unit routing. Since Gaesatae and other barbarian elites could and did rout, I don't think it would be realistic.

[Fluvius Camillus]

BI Lombard Berserkers ftw