Danish river representation on EB map (moved from downgrading drivers)

[Macilrille]

On a similar vein I notice on the map that a river that I suppose is Skjern Å cuts through Jutland while Gudenå is not there at all. This is passing strange to me and perhaps whoever made the map is ignorant of my beloved country (and the streams in which I like to fish). I shal try and enlighten him. Skjern Å, though well known and with some salmon in it is not near as big as Gudenå, running the opposite direction. In fact Gudenå is the only true river in Denmark, the rest being but streams and rivulets (we are a small country and nowhere is over 100 Km from a coast). Perhaps this mistake should be fixed?

[Tellos Athenaios]

But the question is: does this apply to the landscape of 2300 years back? For instance, if someone took a look at a modern map of the Netherlands surely he'd wonder why the Waal isn't included? Yes, it's true the Waal did exist back then. But no, it was definitely not the main stream; the main stream of back then is now almost 'dead': Kromme Rijn and Leidse Rijn.

[Macilrille]

Believe me it did, I would not post if it did not. It has been the same since the Ice Age ended. Now that I have the flu-induced muck out of my eyes I see we are talking downgrading drivers, not rivers, LOL, but it is nonetheless a problem to my perfectionist attitude.

[athanaric]

Actually, Macilrille, the landscape of Jylland has changed since the last Ice Age, mainly due to human intervention.

[Macilrille]

Having done research on the landscape od Jutland up until High Middle Ages while working at Aarhus Bymuseum (City Museum of Aarhus), I can assure you that I know what I am talking about when I claim that Gudenåen, not Skjern Å, should be depicted. The changes Humans have made are more superficial than anything really major.

[Aurgelmir]

Believe me it did, I would not post if it did not. It has been the same since the Ice Age ended. Now that I have the flu-induced muck out of my eyes I see we are talking downgrading drivers, not rivers, LOL, but it is nonetheless a problem to my perfectionist attitude.

LOL

[artaxerxes]

It has been the same since the Ice Age ended

I'm Danish too, and tho I don't have much knowledge of Ice Age geography, I will lend my support to this argument, as having lived all my life in Denmark, I can safely say that: YES, NOTHING EVER HAPPENS in this country and NOTHING EVER CHANGES - so in all probability, the rivers don't either

[Ibrahim]

nothing ever happens, eh?

that's not what I see...


but back on topic: If Macrille here is right, I think it is fair that it could be changed in EB2. otherwise, now that EB1 is officially "near dead" in the patching sense, Why not just change the map pr something in a mini mod. Hooaguy made an extra-mini mod for the purpose of correcting the temple information.

[Macilrille]

Skjern Å (running W), 55°53' N 9° 24' E" to 55°55' N 8° 23' E", 4th longest stream in Denmark, but most volumnous by a little bit.
Starts in Tinnet Krat 70 m above sea level and runs 94 Km West to Fuglsang in Ringkøbing Fjord, drains 2100 Sq Km, falls 70 m from start to end, 36,6 m³/s water runds through it.

Gudenå (running E), 55° 54' 04" N 09° 24' 26" E to 56° 28' N 10° 03' E, longest stream in Denmark, runs through some beautiful nate and a lot of lakes BTW.

Starts in Tinnet Krat as well, only a few 100 m from Skjern Å's spring and 65 m above sea level, and runs 176 Km East and NE to Randers Fjord. Drains 2643 km² at 36,6 m³/s (same as Skjern Å, though the latter is supposedly more volumnous). Runs through the lakes Mossø and Silkeborg søerne (plus some artificial ones which were not there in The Iron Age) and also drains Skanderborgsøerne). Gudenåen is the only stream classed as river in Denmark, and up until 19th century was also significant as a way for barges to go quite far upstream and thus ease transportation. Something Gudenå hinders quite a lot with its many lakes.

At any rate the major prehistoric route up through Jylland "Hærvejen"/"Oksevejen" (Army or War Road/ Ox Road- from 15th cenuty onwards it was used to export cattle to N. Germany). passes the spring of both streams in Tinnet Krat, and should one wander it, one can also meet many remains of dikes etc (like Offa's and Danevirke, but significantly shorter). This track probably streches about as far back as habitation in Denmark, IE 15.000 or so years.

I can do some research as to which of them hindered transport the most in old times, but it seems safe from its length and many lakes that it is Gudenåen, though Skjern Å supposedly has more volume...

[artaxerxes]

nothing ever happens, eh?

that's not what I see...

Honestly have no idea where you're looking

Changing the river in EB1 is not necessary is it? I mean, it's a secluded, isolated area in the north, and usually doesn't have much political importance. But for EB2 it would be a nice touch to have Gudenåen added, since we seem to have agreed on it being the more notable

[athanaric]

[...] that Gudenåen, not Skjern Å, should be depicted.

I wasn't referring to Gudenå, but rather to the area east of it (Kolindsund etc.). Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[Macilrille]

Dunno whether those lakes were big enough to warrant inclusion, but that west running river really nags at me