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    L'Etranger Senior Member Banquo's Ghost's Avatar
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    Default The Six Nations 2009

    Since no-one has seen fit to start one up, I guess it falls to me as a kind of post-hangover tradition.

    The Six Nations championship has kicked off with some fascinating duels in possibly the most open tournament for a long time.

    England played Italy at Twickenham, though using the verb "play" might be over-dignifying the fare on offer. The Italy coach, Nick Mallett, clearly suffering from advanced dementia, decided it was a good idea to place a flanker at scrum-half (for our American readers, this is a bit along the lines of deploying a half-decent linebacker as quarterback). Bergamasco had the hang of passing to his right (though not actually to anyone) but simply gave up on anything aimed at the left. To be fair, he did do a good job of clearing out the ruck, but this is not quite the job description of a scrum-half and tends to bring down the wrath of the ref. Thus, the Italians spent the first half slowly wheeling rightwards around the pitch.

    One might have thought this was going to be a godsend to the England team, and for a while they looked as if they might put Italy to the sword. Italy changed their scrum-half at the break, and as master-strokes went, this one had an unexpected bonus - England fell apart for no discernible reason. Bumbling pointlessness was taken to a level last experienced in the autumn tests.

    Ugly game, resulting in a 36-11 victory for England and a lot of anticipation in Wales for next week.

    In Dublin, France visited Croke Park for the second time, evoking memories of how they broke Irish hearts two years ago. That year should have been Ireland's second ever Grand Slam (our only one so far was 1948) but Vincent Clerc scored a last-minute try while Ireland were gently asleep. It looks like Declan Kidney has brought some Munster fire to the Irish team, and they had an entirely different look about them.

    In contrast to the other game, this was rugby at its best. Crunching tackles, imaginative attacking, wonderful French flair, dogged Irish defence and occasional brilliance for the men in green. We actually looked like we might want to play for Ireland, and there was close teamwork, good skills and real passion. We looked like we might have pulled away just after the half, but the French played hard and drove back to 20-18. I was frantic - I couldn't go through 2007 again - even when we took it to 27, they came back to within that one score margin - and the last minute loomed too large. This time though, we got a penalty quickly and slotted it to make 30-21. Much merriment thusly ensued.

    Great match - the only downside is that Louis has disappeared so I can't enjoy the turnabout quite so much. But I know he is hurting somewhere in Paris, and that's all that counts.

    Today 'tis Wales' turn to dance with Scotland. Ought to be a formality, but Murrayfield's a hard place in winter and the Scots much improved. It will tell us much about whether Wales against Ireland in March will be the Grand Slam decider. And I have tickets for Cardiff!
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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    Yeah, I agree with you about Italy's disastrous strategy. We definitely offered nothing in opposition and the Bergamasco experiment failed spectacularly.
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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    Gah! I was supporting Chabal and co. So if you want to rub it in, here's you're chance. Gah!

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    Very impressed by Wales over first half, although I still favour Irealnd, especially after yesterday

    Feel some of the criticism of England has been a bit ott, they played poorly, against a terrible Italy side, but I expect them to improve, as they'd won the match after the first try, so had little incentive to go for it.


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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    England fell apart for no discernible reason. Bumbling pointlessness was taken to a level last experienced in the autumn tests.
    Oh lordy, the autumn tests were a massacre, but at least the Italians couldn't exploit any charged-down kicks. Italians are always a surprising lot, especially with the Bergamasco choice, but as always it never works out (Ethiopia, Coliseum, etc.)

    I knew the Irish were gonna pull through against France though. Quite the match, hard-fought, full of fire and intensity, the Irish deserve the win. Now if they could only beat New Zealand...

    Today's match, I'd been hoping for a rougher time for the Welsh. With the sin-bin, though, the Welsh have overloaded the Scots, and they've shown what Grand Slam material is made of.

    Wales is definitely going to do well this year, with Gatland at the helm. They've got speed, skill, ability, and talent. It's like the Mori Warrior Monks in Shogun. They look weird and all, but unless you shoot them they'll carve through your lines.
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    Question Re: The Six Nations 2009

    I thought he was talking about the Iroquois. What this?

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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    I thought he was talking about the Iroquois. What this?
    European Rugby Union Tournament between the national teams of England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, and Italy.

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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    My picks for Round 2

    Saturday, 14th.

    France v Scotland, Stade de France
    15:00 GMT, 16:00 local

    While the Scots put up a show for Wales, they still lost to the reigning champs. They haven't got Murray or Hines back, and they don't look so strong this year. Another spirited fight that will result in a FRENCH victory

    Wales v England, Millennium Stadium
    17:30 GMT, 17:30 local

    The Welsh have shown the consistency, skill, ability, talent, speed, and all around awesomeness that is required to be 6 Nations champions (again). England, while better than they used to be, aren't all the way to the top, and will give up an away game to the Dragon. WALES

    Sunday, 15th.
    Italy v Ireland, Rome
    14:30 GMT, 15:30 local

    Ireland's punching bag. IRELAND. The Italians have figured out, as BQ pointed out, that Bergamasco isn't suited for scrum-half. I don't particularly trust the Italians, so I'm giving the Irish an away win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah View Post
    I thought he was talking about the Iroquois. What this?
    I know....here in Canada we have a "Six nations conference with the chiefs"......thought for some odd reason it was about that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    Great match - the only downside is that Louis has disappeared so I can't enjoy the turnabout quite so much. But I know he is hurting somewhere in Paris, and that's all that counts.
    Quoi?? Hurting? Me? Over losing a championship-deciding game in the very first round already? This against our traditional green-clad pushovers?

    Naaahhh...



    Rest assured that of my many worries during the game, the thought of a certain Irish gentleman brooding on a merciless .org post was not among the least!



    As for the championship itself: clearly it is between Wales and Ireland. May the best of the two win and may they do so in a sublime final game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Quoi?? Hurting? Me? Over losing a championship-deciding game in the very first round already? This against our traditional green-clad pushovers?

    Naaahhh...



    Rest assured that of my many worries during the game, the thought of a certain Irish gentleman brooding on a merciless .org post was not among the least!



    As for the championship itself: clearly it is between Wales and Ireland. May the best of the two win and may they do so in a sublime final game!
    Louis is back

    Quick, put him in a cage and chain him to a PC which has only acces to the Org forums.
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    Default Re: The Six Nations 2009

    For all Americans, there's what some call "Rugby Lite" or "Rugby 7s". It's currently on in San Fran, part of the World Tour. Well, ABC has created an hour-long experience on February 22nd, 5 pm EST.

    Take a look. Maybe they'll have actual rugby matches if this gets some actual attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Murat View Post
    For all Americans, there's what some call "Rugby Lite" or "Rugby 7s". It's currently on in San Fran, part of the World Tour. Well, ABC has created an hour-long experience on February 22nd, 5 pm EST.

    Take a look. Maybe they'll have actual rugby matches if this gets some actual attention.
    I watched this. The first 15 minutes they showed the end of an NBA game even though the Celtics were ahead by 20 points. The rest was highlights...fun but I'd rather have seen an actual match.

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    I watched this. The first 15 minutes they showed the end of an NBA game even though the Celtics were ahead by 20 points. The rest was highlights...fun but I'd rather have seen an actual match.
    It was interesting to an extent. The NBA game definitely cut into the program. I was a little disappointed in overall coverage, and the actual game coverage was sketchy. I don't know if they explained any of the rules or anything, so not accessible to anyone outside the rugby establishment. The rugby adverts were...unusual, and it was difficult to get past Lapassets accent (darn Belgians!).

    Otherwise, though, it was Rugby for Free and it's exposure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Quoi?? Hurting? Me? Over losing a championship-deciding game in the very first round already? This against our traditional green-clad pushovers?

    Naaahhh...



    Rest assured that of my many worries during the game, the thought of a certain Irish gentleman brooding on a merciless .org post was not among the least!



    As for the championship itself: clearly it is between Wales and Ireland. May the best of the two win and may they do so in a sublime final game!
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