Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

**Maion Maroneios** · 03-05-2009, 20:06

Can you tell me where to go on Hamachi?

Maion

**A Terribly Harmful Name** · 03-05-2009, 20:29

All hail the barbaroi

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**V.T. Marvin** · 03-06-2009, 11:54

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Can you tell me where to go on Hamachi?

Maion

See here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...28&postcount=1

You may want to "bump" that thread if you find it useful for others to be more conveniently visible...

**Maion Maroneios** · 03-06-2009, 12:13

It's ok already, we tried to battle with Tolg yesterday and twice my crappy wireless connection was ended in the end of the battle... Anyway I know how to fight on Multiplayer now, so no problem. Thanks for the help, though

EDIT: We just played a battle with Βελισάριος and I got my royal Makedonian ass whooped. Enjoy!
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d...4e75f6e8ebb871

Maion

**Βελισάριος** · 03-06-2009, 15:21

Apparently, the issue was unit size. If you play on Huge, it's going to mess things up with your connection, unless you have a solid DSL or othersuch healthy connection.

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Come on, we still have 5 battles left to go.

**Tolg** · 03-06-2009, 15:34

Originally Posted by Βελισάριος

Apparently, the issue was unit size. If you play on Huge, it's going to mess things up with your connection, unless you have a solid DSL or othersuch healthy connection.

That's what I told him as well. *shrug*

**Silence Hunter** · 03-06-2009, 15:42

Originally Posted by Βελισάριος

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Me and Wodewick are having our match tomorrow. Will post the results as soon as we finish.

**Maion Maroneios** · 03-06-2009, 15:46

Yep, still no reply.

Maion

**Tolg** · 03-06-2009, 16:31

If BurningEgo, Rootje and TWFanatic are out, perhaps Burebista can take TWF's place? He isn't in the tournament yet, is he?

**IrishHitman** · 03-06-2009, 17:06

Originally Posted by Βελισάριος

Anyway... Anti and Irish, why haven't you massacred each other yet? Maion, is TWF still not replying? Alex and Potocello? Wodewick and Silence Hunter PM'd me that they'd set up a battle, has it been fought already?

Keep your pants on, I'll beat anti to death with his own leg soon enough.
Tonight probably.

**antisocialmunky** · 03-07-2009, 01:06

http://files.filefront.com/ASMvsIris.../fileinfo.html

So yeah, enjoy this huge battle in the woods. I'm not going to claim victory or anything until the jury reviews my phalangite breaching strategy. It was very close and it came down to the 3 Pedites extraordinary dog piling one units of phalangites and rolling up the rear atleast that's what I saw during the battle. My Principles charged the phalangites and were pushed back because Irish matched my line length and marched in 8 deep. I ended up hesitating because I wasn't sure until his phalangites shifted position.

Anyways, if the jury has any questions about the effectiveness of this tactic and the pros and cons or anything, I'll be happy to answer or demonstrate when and when it doesn't work.

And if anyone cares, I was trying to recreate this tactic I found on wikipedia minus the missiles:

Other anti-phalanx tactics
"Breaking phalanxes" illustrates more of the Roman army's flexibility. When the Romans faced phalangite armies, the legions often deployed the velites in front of the enemy with the command to contendite vestra sponte, to cause confusion and panic into the solid blocks of the phalanxes. Meanwhile, auxilia archers were deployed on the wings of the legion in front of the cavalry, in order to defend their withdrawal. These archers were ordered to eiaculare flammas, fire incendiary arrows into the enemy. The cohorts then advanced in a wedge formation, supported by the velites' and auxiliaries' fire, and charged into the phalanx at a single point, breaking it, then flanking it with the cavalry to seal the victory. See the Battle of Beneventum for evidence of fire-arrows being used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_m...halanx_tactics

**A Terribly Harmful Name** · 03-07-2009, 02:15

Just my comments on this particular battle: first, I agree wholeheartedly, to whoever mentioned it first, that the troop compositions in this battle seem to be beyond reality. I mean, WTH? There were too many Hetairoi and Extraordinarii for any historically or logically plausible situation. Ergo, it might be possible according to the financial strains of the game, but in my view it seems too illogical and as an EB'er I don't like situations that stray away from history too much.

Next time you might experiment with more historically accurate situations: tweak down elites by rule, put up levies and line troops in the troop composition as a matter of principle. Then slug it each other in more demanding situations.

EDIT - As for the battle itself. I don't know if this is some kind of MP situation, since I'm unexperienced with MP, but there were many situations were troops that could be moving were instead astray or being mowed down in humiliating situations. I mean, what were these Hetairoi doing idle when the Phalanxes were being surrounded by munky's infantry?