When you go broke

[Polemists]

So didn't see this anywhere.

I'm curious what happens when you go broke. I've managed to go in debt at some point (usually in early game) in every total war game with the noteable exception of shogun (which I found hard to lose money in). MTW, Rome, and MTW2 I went in debt.

I wonder since you now have professional armies more then peasants, knights and legionares what will occur. If they will disband, maybe you'll have a uprising, maybe you'll have to ask the nobles for a loan.

Any thoughts?

[Fisherking]

If we are really luck maybe it will be a mutiny or revolt!

It isn’t like Total War not to kick you when you are down!

[pdoyle007]

From books I have read the soldiers in this time were often behind in terms of their pay due to lack of cash and problems moving it to the front line etc.

However it would be interesting to have it similar to deserters on a crusade when a few men per unit disappear. Would give you a reason to act quickly rather than let the problem develop.

[Polemists]

I would mind seeing other countries coming to you for a loan, similiar to lousiana purchase sale to fund Napolean in early 1800's.

I think that's a bit to much to hope for, but small groups desenting would also be good.

[CBR]

Yeah desertion and perhaps a morale penalty until they get paid would be a nice thing.

The 18th century was an era of massive borrowing and piling up large debts. But I guess anything that resembles real life economy is too much to expect.


CBR

[Marten]

The 18th century was an era of massive borrowing and piling up large debts.

CBR

Just like nowadays. Or as my instructor in the army always said: You are the first guy who is complaining about a faulty parachute.

So Marlborough told his men: Stop complaining about your money! We will pay you after the battle ... the cheaper art of Warfare.

I always missed the Fuggers in MTW2, maybe this time we will have the chance to loan some money? Or it is a question of game design?
Cause if you're able to loan money the coherence between 2 different classes of populace, their pretensions and the different taxes for
each class of populace makes no sense. And I don't have a clue about the trade theatres. Maybe they will be a fountain of wealth, handled in the right way?

[CBR]

And I don't have a clue about the trade theatres. Maybe they will be a fountain of wealth, handled in the right way?

Yes well Total War has always put a premium on building up trade ports/routes and that was your main income, so I guess trade and colonies will have same effect in ETW. Of course it was not that important in real life. But increasing your level of taxes, excises and agricultural output is not as sexy for a mainstream game compared to expanding your colonies


CBR

[Lusitani]

When i go broke i go and pillage someone's city....on EB anyway
Reducing superfluous army units also helps....more trade etc...

V.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

I hope that one they CA will introduce the way soldiers desert like they did in Lords of the Realm II. If you couldn't pay your soldiers, first you would get a warning, then your mercenaries would desert en mass, and last but not least your regular army would slowly melt away. The mechanics are there in M2TW; the desertion during crusades and the effect that a disease has on units.

[fenir]

How the heck do you go broke??

On another issue, man i can see where we can put alot of new provinces. But there will probably be a system whereby we will have to edit the secondary towns i would say.


Still interesting.


How the heck do you go broke??


Sincerely

fenir

[Mailman653]

How the heck do you go broke??

I've gone broke before, usually happens when my neighbors try to squash me and I'm down to one province, trying to survive to the next turn to build up a cheap unit to try to defend whats left of my empire.