Eremos, WTF?

[KingBobertVII]

So... I'm playing as Carthage, and I decided to make Hanno march south and take over Garama, and then keep going south to whatever is down there, since I never went that far south before with the Sweboz who I usually play.

Anyways, I keep wandering around, sent 6 spies, and hanno and 3 diplomats, and nobody can find the city.

So, I look at the map on EuropaBarbarorum.com, and I see its Tchazzar or w/e, and I send spies to check it out, but none of them can get to it.

So, my question is, why can't I conquer it, or is there some secret passage to it, which only opens if I believe/I'm not a muggle?

[Olaf Blackeyes]

You CANNOT get there without completely cheating. Even if u do conquer it you mess up ur game cuz that settlement is used as a game counter to monitor youre game.
Lesson:DONT MESS WITH TEZZARA

[A Very Super Market]

It's not like you would ever want it either. Like, it's just a bunch of sand

[antisocialmunky]

Salt.

[A Very Super Market]

That would need to be brought across a bunch sand, that you would have to find by digging in a bunch sand, in an extremely dry climate with little water

[Olaf Blackeyes]

Not worth it in other words so /ignore it.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

So, my question is, why can't I conquer it, or is there some secret passage to it, which only opens if I believe/I'm not a muggle?

Actually, the magic to get in there goes like this:

"You put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you put your left foot in and you shake it all about. You do the Hokey Pokey and you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about."

[KingBobertVII]

Yeah, I understand why we can't conquer it. Just seems silly to have to have an unconquerable settlement :P.
But, if it would be weird to conquer the desert And not south Africa, why wouldn't it be weird to not be able to ride all the way to China as the Saka, or something like that?
Well, I suppose my insane desire to rule over all the sands will not be fulfilled, but oh well.

[V.T. Marvin]

Yeah, I understand why we can't conquer it. Just seems silly to have to have an unconquerable settlement :P.
But, if it would be weird to conquer the desert And not south Africa, why wouldn't it be weird to not be able to ride all the way to China as the Saka, or something like that?
Well, I suppose my insane desire to rule over all the sands will not be fulfilled, but oh well.

In fact, I would much welcome if in next edition (EBII) the Team decided to make an uncoquerable rim along the whole eastern and northern rim of the map (possibly by uniting it to Eremos just as Arabia).
The reason why I have so long postponed to play as Baktria was prcisely that I feel rather uncomfortable seeing my empire "cut" by the end of the map. Heck, Indus Valley should not look like Wyoming! There should be something next to it, even if unconquerable and irredeemably Eleutheros.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

In fact, I would much welcome if in next edition (EBII) the Team decided to make an uncoquerable rim along the whole eastern and northern rim of the map (possibly by uniting it to Eremos just as Arabia).
The reason why I have so long postponed to play as Baktria was prcisely that I feel rather uncomfortable seeing my empire "cut" by the end of the map. Heck, Indus Valley should not look like Wyoming! There should be something next to it, even if unconquerable and irredeemably Eleutheros.

I've actually had similar thoughts. Like ending the map at the Indus, so you could recreate Megas Alexandros, but no further (though Baktria really needs the Indus valley intact for their gameplay). Or cutting out all of Scandinavia and the cold portions of the northern steppe (though to be honest, if I was making my own mod I would probably just remove the entire steppes an the steppe factions all together since the can't be represented as I would want them in the RTW engine).

The work on the map was stopped just after v0.80, though, since making a small change to a name or city location required almost every department making changes and opened the chance of big mistakes. Work is progressing on the EBII map, though...

[V.T. Marvin]

I look forward to see a new EBII map very much! I am sure it will be great!!!

[Macilrille]

If you can, get your hands on some writings of people who have crossed the deep sahara, preferably on Camel with Tuaregs or on foot with La legion Etrangere, then you will know why it is quite sensible that you cannot cross it, any army would die there.

[desert]

I am indeed the lord of all deserts.

And you exaggerate the growth of the Sahara. I can assure you that it was quite large 2000 years ago. Oases weren't that common in the deep Sahara anyway.

Even if you could reach Terhazza, morale penalties would not be worth crap. You would still beat the three-unit army defending the city with 0 losses.
SOMEHOW, your army of, say, ten thousand apparently immortal soldiers suffered not a single casualty in the long desert trek which should have reduced the force to a few hundred, even if they managed to reach Terhazza in the first place (knowing the exact location of everything is unfair).

[Novellus]

I say, take the stupid city since you've already gone so far! Make them pay for wasting so much of your precious time by relishing in the excitement of subjecting the city to your harshest punishment!

Just make sure you remember to save your game in case anything should happen by accident.

EDIT: Oh wait, you restarted? Darn! You should have sacked the city like a REAL warrior! "HOW DARE THEY MAKE YOU WANDER FOR TEN YEARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SAHARA!"

[A Very Super Market]

It will only screw things up if you conquer it right? Sending a spy in won't change anything?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

As long as you don't destroy any of the weird buildings there, there really shouldn't be any harm in cheating to conquer it.

[A Very Super Market]

Weird, it seems to be a regular Carthaginian town... all it has that I've never seen before is a "Desert" building, and even that seems pretty normal