O frabjous day! Calloo callay!

[Strike For The South]

It's only earned us ruin. Heck, an alternative might not have even lead to WW2.

If by ruin you mean TEH BEST COUNTRY EVA. Then yes.

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I have thought about it a few times... would we be better of if the south won...?

No. Eventually the slavery and feudal like system of the antebellum south would've ended with more blood than before. Blacks were used as boogeyman to keep poor whites (90% of the pop) in there place.

You hear stories of integrated schools and how people were downright scared of the blacks. It comes from all the years of some one telling you these subhumans will destroy all that is good in the world and should be kept under bondage (did we mention make the rich richer? that to!)

Also Texas would've probably broken off and fought another pointless war with Mexico. Our TRUE enemy lol.

[LittleGrizzly]

based purely off assumptions and logic i assumed that system would have been dropped as it was in the north, when the south become more industrialised..

[Strike For The South]

based purely off assumptions and logic i assumed that system would have been dropped as it was in the north, when the south become more industrialised..

It was more than the money. It permeated the whole social fabric. Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

[LittleGrizzly]

Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

One of my assumptions was that the South would industrialise after being seperated from the industrial north

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

Doesn't this kind of back up my point, they managed to 'grow out of it'

Wasn't the socail fabric of the north somewhat similar not too long before the war started..?

Im not so much arguing to prove you wrong here, i don't doubt you now more on the subject then me... consider this a cross examination of your beliefs on the matter to further my knowledge!

[Strike For The South]

Not to mention there are still many places in the south that have no industry.

One of my assumptions was that the South would industrialise after being seperated from the industrial north

Look at how the Northeners treated the Irish.

Doesn't this kind of back up my point, they managed to 'grow out of it'

Wasn't the socail fabric of the north somewhat similar not too long before the war started..?

Im not so much arguing to prove you wrong here, i don't doubt you now more on the subject then me... consider this a cross examination of your beliefs on the matter to further my knowledge!

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

The Irish had the awesome trait of being light skinned and light eyed. Once you lose the accent and have the traditions beat out of you people tend to notice you less. You cant get rid of black skin. There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

[LittleGrizzly]

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

For the south to be a workable entity it needed to industrialise assuming the states could organise themselves well enough industry could have been established... im assuming there were some capable leaders in the south... states right could have been a barrier to success...

There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

Wouldn't mexicans or north north americans become the new boogeymen... overtime at least...

I think the one big thing that would sway me here is every other single european owned, european descended or in europe got rid of slavery through thier own accord eventually...this leads me to think the south would come around to this idea soon enough...

[Strike For The South]

The south and industrialization is a maybe or maybe not more than likely the south would've cracked and be gobbled backed up piece by piece by the north. Except Texas which would've probably gone back to Mexico or managed to eek out a debt ridden existence.

For the south to be a workable entity it needed to industrialise assuming the states could organise themselves well enough industry could have been established... im assuming there were some capable leaders in the south... states right could have been a barrier to success...

There was still an anti-Irish settiment up until the 1920s when those Itals slavs and jews took on the role of the new boogeyman.

Wouldn't mexicans or north north americans become the new boogeymen... overtime at least...

I think the one big thing that would sway me here is every other single european owned, european descended or in europe got rid of slavery through thier own accord eventually...this leads me to think the south would come around to this idea soon enough...

There were capable leaders in the south but they were staunch state men. The Confederacy win or lose was doomed to fail. Slavery would've been gotten rid of but it would've been a bloody angered affair. Europe never had this kind of slavery on this scale. Blacks outnumbered whites on the Mississippi Delta (and still do) You combine the subhuman aspect with the very real fact you would have allot of the south under black rule, you have a power imputes.

America has changed the definition of mongrel over time to accomadate more people in the "white majority"

You had the
Germans
Irish
Irish/Chinese
Southern/Eastern Euros/Jews
Mexicans
Arabs/Hispanics (mainly Cental Americans "old style latins" tend to be left out)


Of course as WASP whose family built this country I consider them all squatters.