USS Constitution?

[Greyblades]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

[Barkhorn1x]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

Correct, he's thinking of the HMS Guerriere.

On US Navy vs. Royal Navy in the War of 1812:
The quality of US crews was, on average, much higher than that of the Royal Navy during the war - due to a combination of higher pay and better living conditions as compared to the US merchant marine. But the primary reason was size. The US fleet numbered in the dozens, the Royal Navy had hundreds. The US Navy had the luxury of picking their crews from an overabundance of applicants. The Royal navy had major issues crewing their ships (perhaps you lot shouldn't have flogged quite so much ) and took whoever they could (literally) get their hands on.

[Greyblades]

Correct, he's thinking of the HMS Guerriere.

On US Navy vs. Royal Navy in the War of 1812:
The quality of US crews was, on average, much higher than that of the Royal Navy during the war - due to a combination of higher pay and better living conditions as compared to the US merchant marine. But the primary reason was size. The US fleet numbered in the dozens, the Royal Navy had hundreds. The US Navy had the luxury of picking their crews from an overabundance of applicants. The Royal navy had major issues crewing their ships (perhaps you lot shouldn't have flogged quite so much ) and took whoever they could (literally) get their hands on.

If I remember reading rightly we were thrashing the Americans in the naval front until the French got involved. And even then it was a mixtures of successes and failures.
Also, when did we get a reputaion for flogging our sailors?

[Barkhorn1x]

If I remember reading rightly we were thrashing the Americans in the naval front until the French got involved. And even then it was a mixtures of successes and failures.
Also, when did we get a reputaion for flogging our sailors?

You must mean the our Revolution - I was referring to the War of 1812.

Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said "Don't talk to me about Naval Tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash"?

[Greyblades]

You must mean the our Revolution - I was referring to the War of 1812.

i guess i got them mixed up.

Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said "Don't talk to me about Naval Tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash"?

no that was the pogues

[scipiosgoblin]

Although it may not be my place to question your info scipiousgoblin, wikipedia (which is probably not the most reliable of sources but still...) says it was the USS Bonhomme Richard that took the serapsis not the Constitution .

Absolutely correct. It was Guerriere. I always get those two mixed up in my head. Guerriere was a French built 38 gun frigate captured by HMS Blanche. She was bought by the Royal Navy.

Sorry about that.

As for Bonhomme Richard, she was a scow and only the insanity ... I mean bravery of her captain allowed her to capture Serapis.

SG

[Greyblades]

Insane as in setting fire to his own ship to get a 5th rate?

...I wonder if that could be an option in the game; the ability to set any ship on fire in an effort to take the enemy with you? Somehow i doubt that there were any ships built specificaly to set on fire so it may be posible.

Random thought: maybe someone should make a smiley specificaly to say "please EA"

[Sir Beane]

Insane as in setting fire to his own ship to get a 5th rate?

...I wonder if that could be an option in the game; the ability to set any ship on fire in an effort to take the enemy with you? Somehow i doubt that there were any ships built specificaly to set on fire so it may be posible.

Random thought: maybe someone should make a smiley specificaly to say "please EA"

Actually there were ships taken intop battle specifically so that they could be set alitght. Old or cheap ships were used most frequently. They were filled with incendiary material and sailed at enemy ships in an attempt to set them alight.

A slighty more advanced version of this tactic is the bomb ship. These were full to the brim with gunpowder, and were ignited once they ahd drifted near enough to an enemy ship. They were also apparently used to attack buildings and docks close to the water.

Fireships and bombships might be in the game. CA did say that if your own ship is on fire you could make an attempt to set the enemy on fire by sailing it at them.

[Greyblades]

By "Somehow i doubt that there were any ships built specificaly to set on fire" I meant I don't think that govenments spent hundreds of... whatever currency they were using and acres of woodland just to make a new ship that was supposed to blow up the second they get near an enemy.

Just clearing that up.

[scipiosgoblin]

Insane as in setting fire to his own ship to get a 5th rate?

...I wonder if that could be an option in the game; the ability to set any ship on fire in an effort to take the enemy with you? Somehow i doubt that there were any ships built specificaly to set on fire so it may be posible.

Random thought: maybe someone should make a smiley specificaly to say "please EA"

Insane yeah. Do you remember where he set the fire? With grenades no less.

He threw grenades into the powder magazine and told the enemy captain to surender and his crew would would help put out fires and sail them all to safety.

I love John Paul Jones. He's the father of the greatest Navy on Earth. But he was also a certifiable nut.

I would love to see fireships in the game. I'd also like to see cutting out expeditions for ships anchored in a harbor. I don't know how that would be implemented, but boy would it be cool to raid a French port and steal a frigate.

SG