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    Default Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?

    No regulations on freedom of speech - however, there is nothing wrong with, for example, a libel lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    No regulations on freedom of speech - however, there is nothing wrong with, for example, a libel lawsuit.
    That's similar to what I'm thinking.
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    Freedom of speech needs mild regulation against incitement of violence against groups
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    Default Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?

    I put number two, but I do believe that the "clear and present danger" standard must apply.
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    what is the clear and present danger business?
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    Default Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?

    Incitement to violence is not enough. Such incitement must be occurring at a time when there exists a realistic likelihood of inciting that violence.

    Yelling "FIRE!" while standing on a soapbox at an intersection is not a realistic incitement to panic.

    Calling President Bush a murdering warmonger is not incitement, unless you then encourage an attack on him while he is present or an attack on other's and their property as a means of vengeance.

    In other words, there must exist a "Clear and Present Danger" in the effort to incite. Hot air should not be restricted.
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    Excellent point, Seamus, and 100% agreement on this end.

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    Default Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Incitement to violence is not enough. Such incitement must be occurring at a time when there exists a realistic likelihood of inciting that violence.

    Yelling "FIRE!" while standing on a soapbox at an intersection is not a realistic incitement to panic.

    Calling President Bush a murdering warmonger is not incitement, unless you then encourage an attack on him while he is present or an attack on other's and their property as a means of vengeance.

    In other words, there must exist a "Clear and Present Danger" in the effort to incite. Hot air should not be restricted.
    very much agreed, thank you.
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    Why should someone choose what random series of grunts and noises comes from my mouth?
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