There is no such thing as a "regulated" freedom of speech. Either there is a freedom of speech or there isn't one. "Regulated" freedom of speech == lack of freedom of speech.
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
There is no such thing as a "regulated" freedom of speech. Either there is a freedom of speech or there isn't one. "Regulated" freedom of speech == lack of freedom of speech.
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Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
I can accept where you are going with that idea, but i am happy to ban incitement to violence.
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Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
If you put it that way then there's no such thing as freedom of speech--because society is self regulating to a certain degree. Government is just an extension of that.Originally Posted by rvg
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Self-regulation is absolutely fine. Governmental regulation is unacceptable.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
That's a kneejerk reaction. Is the societal regulation on free speech is saudi arabia absolutely fine? Is it unacceptable for the secret service to grab some guy at a rally who's screaming about how he's about to kill the president?
The point is, we don't have freedom of speech and never will. So you can't just say that governmental regulation is bad because it takes away free speech.
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It is not unacceptable for them to grab him, that does not violate his freedom to say what he is saying, or to hold him until the President has passed. He can continue screaming all he likes. It is unacceptable for them to arrest him unless they have evidence that he was actually planning to kill the President.
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It's not often I say this, but EMFM is exactly right. No one is stopping him from saying this - they are just making sure he can't carry out the act itself. Further, once the present danger is passed then he can be allowed to go, and placed on a watch list or something.
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That's like saying you have the freedom to punch someone in the face because you won't get arrested until you've already done it.
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As rvg said, the only thing stopping you in this case is your own adherence to societal norms. There is nothing that can stop you saying what you want - only your fear of what society will do to you. For example, using the 'n' word isn't considered acceptable and few people use it regularly, but there is nothing stopping you saying it. In this way society can prove just as, if not more, effective than the government regulating things.
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