Enlighten me

[Dutchhoplite]

That's certainly true...

[BurningEGO]

Hey no war here, just a lively, good discussion. Right Macilrille, right Husker?

Now seriously i dont have any problem with neither greeks or romans. Only that i think that a proper army using some style of hellenic warfare had more chances at victory then a roman army. As history showed.

[A Very Super Market]

Blitskrieg isn't a bad tactic per se, but it requires total air superiority to work. Poland's was destroyed on the ground, France was completely taken by suprise, and Norway was comparitively hard fought to due the British air presence.

[Vasiliyi]

A very super market, your forgetting his successes in Russia.

[A Very Super Market]

Russia was poorly prepared for an attack, and especially a well-organized one. The Russian airforce wasn't exactly one to admire either. Many planes, but poor quality. Russia also lacked many AA defenses, and just generally wasn't prepared, much like France. But on a bigger scale.

[BurningEGO]

Still, operation barbarossa was a tactical failure for it failed to conquer any of its 3 targets. Managed to encircle many armies, but failed to put a decisive end to the war. Stalin also had moved his industrial base to siberia which made things harder for the germans.

Not to speak about the winter. Napoleon wasnt able to deal with it, neither were the germans.

[Husker98]

Hey no war here, just a lively, good discussion. Right Macilrille, right Husker?

Now seriously i dont have any problem with neither greeks or romans. Only that i think that a proper army using some style of hellenic warfare had more chances at victory then a roman army. As history showed.

yea it's a friendly discussion/debate on military strategy of the time all is good hearted fun.

Not to speak about the winter. Napoleon wasn't able to deal with it, neither were the germans.

The Germans could have been ready for the winter but Hitlers original battle plan was only geared for the summer and early fall, Hitler believed it possible to cover all that ground in one campaign season. Once the German troops had the adequate clothing and gear to combat the winter they were doing ok. not great but ok. Had they been ready for winter warfare i don't think all of those casualties would have happened. but once again after 1941 Hitler was his armies and Germany's own worst enemy he thought France and Poland were all his success, not his General's, this built up ego helped him make the mistakes he made on the eastern front ultimately costing Germany the war there.

[kekailoa]

All this arguing about Romans vs Hellenes is making me sick.

We all know the superior form of warfare is the good old Celtic charge. Never fails.

[BurningEGO]

Mhhh, speaking of roman haters, i just checked the social groups out there and there is one called Rômaioktonoi - A group for all Rômaioi-haters. Obviously created by no one else then Maion. Maion, if you are reading this, tell me, do you serve smashed romans with a distinct smell of elephants?

Now, seriously (speaking of EB): There is nothing better then beating a full stack of romans with elephants...

[soup_alex]

There is nothing better then beating a full stack of romans with elephants...

Except, obviously, beating two full stacks of Romans, etc.

[Macilrille]

No flamewar- flamewar!!! I HATE you all ;-)

Of course not, a debate can be spirited without devolving to flaming, the difference is whether you go for the man or the ball (football- what you barbaroi Americans call soccer- expression). And should anyone ever feel offended by me, spit it out so we can resolve it. Fora such as this tend to be misinterpreted.

However, it is slowly dawning on even my dense head that no matter what I say or do, or no matter how convincing my arguments are, even if I actually devote my professional ardour to it and research it to write a book upon it, there will always be an excuse, an explanation, something... that allows the Hellene lovers to retain their delusion, so I am simply getting fed up with trying. Keep your delusion, to me history shows who was strongest.

Just one thing, if you think Macedonia was more exhausted by the traditional Hellene internal strife (fool Graeculi) than Rome was by the 2nd Punic war there is something seriously wrong with you. Try reading Brunt's "Italian Manpower", even his low estimates shows how badly Rome and Italy was hurt by these. It is 600+ pages though and not written in a very entertaining way (ie it is dry even to me who is a historian myself), good luck with it.

Edit: What I mean is that no one can argue with the delusional, I shall refrain from comment on this subject at all in the future. It is like hitting a pillow, you leave no mark when retracting your hand. No offense at all by calling you delusional- we all have our little personal ones, me included.

[Maion Maroneios]

Mhhh, speaking of roman haters, i just checked the social groups out there and there is one called Rômaioktonoi - A group for all Rômaioi-haters. Obviously created by no one else then Maion. Maion, if you are reading this, tell me, do you serve smashed romans with a distinct smell of elephants?

Most certainly I do (it's my favorite dish actually). But that belongs to another long story... Anyway if you are in the mood (the same goes for anyone else), check the Group now and then. I will start posting Roman-smashing pictures very very soon

Maion

[Dutchhoplite]

Does anyone got some information on Alexander I of Epeiros (brother of Olympias, mother of Alexander III). He campaigned in Southern Italy against several Italic tribes in the 330’s and died there. I found some information in Livy but this is biased (as usual with him).

It’s somewhat before the EB period but it could be a nice background for a Epeirote Italian campaign :)