Any Phalanx mod?

[Zett]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94341

This is the Phalanx mod from TWFanatic, which is also in ||Lz3|| Mini Mod Pack. Its savegame compatible.

[Βελισάριος]

If you have Barbarian Invasion, I recommend this one.

The minimod pack I find to be, quie frankly, bug-ridden. This one lets you use "shield wall" attribute, which may not be exactly a "phalanx" formation, but close enough.

[Phalanx300]

Using 0.2 density for the Hoplite units is the best solution in my opinion. It let the Hoplites stay closer together like a real Phalanx. While at the same time not having the extreme closeness and pike angle with short_pike. And not having these 'blocks' with shieldwall or guard mode, but instead it will be a fluctuating thing, like a Hoplite Phalanx in my view was. Though only little pushing power is missing.

[desert]

If you go with the radius thing, definitely have the values range from .3 to .2 for more variation.

What would happen if you combined PhalanxMod and smaller radii?

[Zett]

Using 0.2 density for the Hoplite units is the best solution in my opinion. It let the Hoplites stay closer together like a real Phalanx. While at the same time not having the extreme closeness and pike angle with short_pike.

I think 0.2 is to close. I played long time with Hoplitai Haploi on 0.3, Hoplites with swords (like Massaliotai Hoplitai) on 0.25 and Classicals/Elites on 0.24. The result was, that my Thorakitai Hoplitai with 0.24 defeated Pedites Extraordinarii in 1vs1, no other units involved, nearly always. Thats why I think 0.2 is overpowered, 0.3-0.25 is okay but IMO still destroys the balance.

Now I use the EB-Vanilla settings for Hoplites again and let them on guardmode, its true that they are inferior to Phalangitais and Elites, but thats how it should be. They are still able to hold the line quite long when guardmode is on.

The problem with TWFanatics Phalanx mod is, that Hoplites always push through enemy phalanxes and kill the Phalangitais easily (IMO). Hoplitai Haploi can defeat Phalangitai Deuteroi and Classicals even Pezhetairoi when they attacke them from the front.

If anyone knows a new solution for this old problem he is welcome. Guardmode, range, and short_pike have all their limits and problems. And shieldwall is IMO to bugged, hoplites die faster with it then with shieldwall off and only guardmode on.

Pherhaps someone could mod the shieldwall to a more agressive formation, give the units a higher attack or something like that.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[desert]

The problem with TWFanatics Phalanx mod is, that Hoplites always push through enemy phalanxes and kill the Phalangitais easily (IMO). Hoplitai Haploi can defeat Phalangitai Deuteroi and Classicals even Pezhetairoi when they attacke them from the front.

Really? Charging Deuteroi with Haploi, even with GMode on, means that I have about a minute to flank them before the Haploi are:
a. All slaughtered
b. Rout

[Zett]

Really? Charging Deuteroi with Haploi, even with GMode on, means that I have about a minute to flank them before the Haploi are:
a. All slaughtered
b. Rout

The Haploi will break through the phalanxformation of the Phalangitai Deuteroi and start killing them in closecombat, Phalangitai Deuteroi will switch to sword and the phalanxformation will break more and more. If you sent a second unit of Haploi they will finish the Phalnagitai Deuteroi off.
Without TWFanatics mod (no short_pike attribute for Hoplites) the Phalangitai Deuteroi hold the Hoplitai distance and the Hoplitai are not abel to attack them but die slowly.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[desert]

With the PhalanxMod, I find it very difficult to break through the front of a phalanx except with heavy infantry or barbarian shock troops.