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Originally Posted by pevergreen:
Parents cant stop it. I was forbidden from having sex but it didnt stop me. It was about 5-6 months of constant unprotected sex. Luckily nothing went wrong. If they try to stop it, the kids will find a way.
Your pharmacy has rubbers. They are relatively inexpensive. USE THEM.Parents cant stop it. I was forbidden from having sex but it didnt stop me. It was about 5-6 months of constant unprotected sex. Luckily nothing went wrong. If they try to stop it, the kids will find a way.
At least tell me you spent 5-6 months completely hammered.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
Was reported here a few nights ago that 6 other boys have come forward claiming to be the father. One 16 year old even demands a DNA test to confirm it.
All getting loads of money for their stories no doubt.....Was reported here a few nights ago that 6 other boys have come forward claiming to be the father. One 16 year old even demands a DNA test to confirm it.
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites:
That section is particularly disturbing should it be true. What sort of parent allows their under-age daughter to sleep with somebody?
mine... as long as the parents tell children what to do/ not to do beforehand theres no problem, especially as kids are likely to have sex anyway,That section is particularly disturbing should it be true. What sort of parent allows their under-age daughter to sleep with somebody?
--> Benefits system over kids is very ropey at the moment, mainly becuase its very hard to give aid 'just' to the children who need it, as for benefits to be used efficiently it has to be used by the parents (and in many cases is used responsibly), just some choose to spend it on themselves, the problem then is that those parents are the least likely to make use of childcare help, such as parenting classes, or even encourage the kids to make use of free schooling etc. I don't envy the people who have to work it all out.
Good Lord, that's just a pathetic case of terrible parenting. I'm too disgusted to be angry at any of the fools involved in this.
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Your pharmacy has rubbers. They are relatively inexpensive. USE THEM.
At least tell me you spent 5-6 months completely hammered.
Never had a drop of alcohol. I refuse to drink or do any drugs.Your pharmacy has rubbers. They are relatively inexpensive. USE THEM.
At least tell me you spent 5-6 months completely hammered.
Why didnt we? Well after the first time it was just...I dunno, we didn't want to and she was on the pill. Which I didnt know.
I don't buy the "kids will do it anyway" argument. With proper parenting, they should not, at least not until they're of a legal age anyway. Most parents at least try to stop their kids going out and getting pregnant/getting someone pregnant. These type of people do exactly the opposite. Instead they turn a blind eye and encourage this kind of behaviour. This is because they too follow the "kids will do it anyway" philosophy - a philosophy which they feel absolves them from all responsibility (responsibility which they feel belongs with the state). The woman that let her three year old smoke is a good example of this. What the hell was going through her mind? "he'll do it anyway, so he might as well start now"? This won't be stamped out, but it can be brought down to a minimum, instead of becoming the acceptable norm.
The condom argument is also flawed. If they're stupid enough to be having sex and their parents are immoral enough to be allowing it, then they're obviously too stupid to know that they should use condoms. Condom use goes hand in hand with the individuals concerned being both mature and wanting to protect themselves... this is clearly not the case here. Those involved wanted to produce offspring a) to guarantee state benefits for the next 16 years, b) to sell their crappy story to a tacky tabloid rag. The other youths coming forward have the same motive, their parents likely encouraging them in the hope of getting some easy alcohol/tobacco/drug money. This is what comes of having generations of people that have never known work.
So yes, when the little tyke is out on the streets causing a nuisance - according to some it will be the state's fault... and it will be, though for different reasons.
The condom argument is also flawed. If they're stupid enough to be having sex and their parents are immoral enough to be allowing it, then they're obviously too stupid to know that they should use condoms. Condom use goes hand in hand with the individuals concerned being both mature and wanting to protect themselves... this is clearly not the case here. Those involved wanted to produce offspring a) to guarantee state benefits for the next 16 years, b) to sell their crappy story to a tacky tabloid rag. The other youths coming forward have the same motive, their parents likely encouraging them in the hope of getting some easy alcohol/tobacco/drug money. This is what comes of having generations of people that have never known work.
So yes, when the little tyke is out on the streets causing a nuisance - according to some it will be the state's fault... and it will be, though for different reasons.
I'd sepertae the "they'l do it anyway' in terms of drugs/ drink/ smoking to sex, the answer to preventing those imo lies in better regulating them (like actually enforcing age restrictions) and legalizing + controlling drugs, they all rely on external products
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
The condom argument is also flawed. If they're stupid enough to be having sex and their parents are immoral enough to be allowing it, then they're obviously too stupid to know that they should use condoms. Condom use goes hand in hand with the individuals concerned being both mature and wanting to protect themselves...
I agree, but it is better to provide sex education at a young age + free condomns in the hope that the message will get through than not to provide anything at all -The condom argument is also flawed. If they're stupid enough to be having sex and their parents are immoral enough to be allowing it, then they're obviously too stupid to know that they should use condoms. Condom use goes hand in hand with the individuals concerned being both mature and wanting to protect themselves...
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Those involved wanted to produce offspring a) to guarantee state benefits for the next 16 years, b) to sell their crappy story to a tacky tabloid rag. The other youths coming forward have the same motive, their parents likely encouraging them in the hope of getting some easy alcohol/tobacco/drug money. This is what comes of having generations of people that have never known work.
sad but trueThose involved wanted to produce offspring a) to guarantee state benefits for the next 16 years, b) to sell their crappy story to a tacky tabloid rag. The other youths coming forward have the same motive, their parents likely encouraging them in the hope of getting some easy alcohol/tobacco/drug money. This is what comes of having generations of people that have never known work.
How young is young enough? I got sex ed in year 6 and 7 (i was what...9 or 10. Around that) I understood none of it.
Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
It's convinced me to never try drugs, smoke or drink, but the rigid stance against it was of my own will. If I didn't feel the way I did about the girl in question, I wouldn't have done what I did. Saying that, I do regret it, it was too early and I wasn't ready for it. But, in the time, you don't think, you just act.
In conclusion, I disagree with your first sentance, then agree with the rest Asai.
Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
It's convinced me to never try drugs, smoke or drink, but the rigid stance against it was of my own will. If I didn't feel the way I did about the girl in question, I wouldn't have done what I did. Saying that, I do regret it, it was too early and I wasn't ready for it. But, in the time, you don't think, you just act.
In conclusion, I disagree with your first sentance, then agree with the rest Asai.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
How young is young enough? I got sex ed in year 6 and 7 (i was what...9 or 10. Around that) I understood none of it.
You're not alone. The problem with sex education is that it treats immature children as adults. It should be the role of the parents, not schools. Once again this is the chav culture get out: "blame the schools they taught my kid to have sex". Responsibility needs to rest with the parent, not the state.How young is young enough? I got sex ed in year 6 and 7 (i was what...9 or 10. Around that) I understood none of it.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
Again, it's not about encouragement, but more so turning a blind eye. I'm not sure where you are in the world, but here there is an attitude of "I can't control my kid, the state should do it". It's not so much encouraging and more so not caring.Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
Of course not. Parents can only do their best, at times they fail. It's when parents simply don't bother that such problems as teenage pregnancy get out of hand.I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
It's convinced me to never try drugs, smoke or drink, but the rigid stance against it was of my own will. If I didn't feel the way I did about the girl in question, I wouldn't have done what I did. Saying that, I do regret it, it was too early and I wasn't ready for it. But, in the time, you don't think, you just act.
In conclusion, I disagree with your first sentance, then agree with the rest Asai.
It's convinced me to never try drugs, smoke or drink, but the rigid stance against it was of my own will. If I didn't feel the way I did about the girl in question, I wouldn't have done what I did. Saying that, I do regret it, it was too early and I wasn't ready for it. But, in the time, you don't think, you just act.
In conclusion, I disagree with your first sentance, then agree with the rest Asai.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
It works for Asian parents, I found out first hand or should I say stick Parents here don't encourage their kids to go out and beat up ambulance crews, or drink a lot, or sleep around, but they do.
I agree that the parents should aim to prevent it, I'm just saying it won't always work.
Originally Posted by KukriKhan:
Make abstinance or condom use a condition of employment. "Surprise" baby? Termination of employment. Underage pregnancy? Termination of employment. School drop-out? Termination of employment.
So you probably end up punishing the baby in many cases because it will grow up in poverty or the parents might even go as far as doing something to it to "make it go away". Make abstinance or condom use a condition of employment. "Surprise" baby? Termination of employment. Underage pregnancy? Termination of employment. School drop-out? Termination of employment.
Originally Posted by FactionHeir:
It works for Asian parents, I found out first hand or should I say stick
Leave Japan out of it.. We stopped using our rulers 20 years ago It works for Asian parents, I found out first hand or should I say stick
Parents and school should both take the blame for this. Parents for being irresponsible about their child, and for blindly trusting the schools sex education without bothering to know what its like. And school for trying hard to blame shift instead of actually bothering to do something about it.
Originally Posted by Beefy187:
Leave Japan out of it.. We stopped using our rulers 20 years ago
Parents and school should both take the blame for this. Parents for being irresponsible about their child, and for blindly trusting the schools sex education without bothering to know what its like. And school for trying hard to blame shift instead of actually bothering to do something about it.
Why the school? --> Schools have had compulsory sex education for a while now, I don't see what else they can do.Leave Japan out of it.. We stopped using our rulers 20 years ago
Parents and school should both take the blame for this. Parents for being irresponsible about their child, and for blindly trusting the schools sex education without bothering to know what its like. And school for trying hard to blame shift instead of actually bothering to do something about it.
Kids grow faster than we did when we were their age. They reach puberty faster. Don't get me wrong. I know that they're still kids, but we need to realize that they're situation is very different from us, and thus we need to be more aware of them. At an age when we still thought the opposite sex was yucky, they're already experimenting. Even the toddlers are smarter than we were. I was shocked when I saw my relative's daughter talk fluently. She is four years old. I couldn't make sentences when I was four. (Maybe it was because I was exceptionally dumb but anyway...) At that age, I didn't know that the earth was round nor could I do any mathematics. She already knows about Christopher Columbus and knows addition.
After looking at some kids attending college, I'm beginning to think that maybe in the far future the voting age might start at an earlier one. There are other groups who weren't allowed to vote in the past because others thought they weren't privileged enough to vote. Now we think it unimaginable to take away that right from them. I think in the far future, the new group will be teenagers. I have foreseen it.
After looking at some kids attending college, I'm beginning to think that maybe in the far future the voting age might start at an earlier one. There are other groups who weren't allowed to vote in the past because others thought they weren't privileged enough to vote. Now we think it unimaginable to take away that right from them. I think in the far future, the new group will be teenagers. I have foreseen it.
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan:
Kids grow faster than we did when we were their age. They reach puberty faster. Don't get me wrong.
I respectfully beg to differ. I'd say that children nowadays are forced to grow up sooner and exposed to sex at too early an age.Kids grow faster than we did when we were their age. They reach puberty faster. Don't get me wrong.
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan:
I know that they're still kids, but we need to realize that they're situation is very different from us, and thus we need to be more aware of them. At an age when we still thought the opposite sex was yucky, they're already experimenting.
I'd say this is more indicative of the world we live in, more than anything else. We thought the opposite sex was "yucky" due to social constructs and the culture of the time. "Modern Children" grow up constantly exposed to sex in the media. It's no wonder that they're becoming sexually aware sooner and thus experimenting. This is what has to change. Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood. This is an important part of development and growing up.I know that they're still kids, but we need to realize that they're situation is very different from us, and thus we need to be more aware of them. At an age when we still thought the opposite sex was yucky, they're already experimenting.
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan:
I couldn't make sentences when I was four. (Maybe it was because I was exceptionally dumb but anyway...) At that age, I didn't know that the earth was round nor could I do any mathematics. She already knows about Christopher Columbus and knows addition.
This is because children develop at different rates. I don't think I could converse much when I was four years old either, though I see children that can barely converse at 14 every day. I would say that this is somewhat the reverse of your point above, but does also point to the education/class divide growing.I couldn't make sentences when I was four. (Maybe it was because I was exceptionally dumb but anyway...) At that age, I didn't know that the earth was round nor could I do any mathematics. She already knows about Christopher Columbus and knows addition.
Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan:
After looking at some kids attending college, I'm beginning to think that maybe in the far future the voting age might start at an earlier one. There are other groups who weren't allowed to vote in the past because others thought they weren't privileged enough to vote. Now we think it unimaginable to take away that right from them. I think in the far future, the new group will be teenagers. I have foreseen it.
There is a big difference between acting all mature and clever and actually being mature. Personally I think the voting age should be raised.After looking at some kids attending college, I'm beginning to think that maybe in the far future the voting age might start at an earlier one. There are other groups who weren't allowed to vote in the past because others thought they weren't privileged enough to vote. Now we think it unimaginable to take away that right from them. I think in the far future, the new group will be teenagers. I have foreseen it.
Cut state benefits for everything. Reduce government. When parents are made aware that they will have to deal with their children's mistakes they'll do something to stop them - especially when they are aware that the SS (social services) aren't going to lock them up. Give back power and responsibility to individuals. 
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood. This is an important part of development and growing up.
*Waits for some norwegian to say that sex orgies are the only proper childhood* Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood. This is an important part of development and growing up.
Concerning children being forced to grow up, how else are companies going to get their fully educated triple doctor title holders at 23? Science progresses and the new kids have to learn everything the old kids researched which becomes more with every generation. Personally I'm a slowpoke, which is why I will most likely fail society and should look to live in a forest in Canada with no contact to the rest of humanity.
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood.
Out of curiousity, what the h... is a "proper childhood"?Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood.
Off the top of my head, a proper childhood would be one that does not involve sex, drugs, violence/abuse and getting pregnant before they can vote. Preferably with parents that either a) work or b) want to work and instil the need to work and not rely on state handouts in their children.
Of course that's just my opinion.
Of course that's just my opinion.
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
Off the top of my head, a proper childhood would be one that does not involve sex, drugs, violence/abuse and getting pregnant before they can vote. Preferably with parents that either a) work or b) want to work and instil the need to work and not rely on state handouts in their children.
Of course that's just my opinion.
I grew up in a pretty neat environment and still was exposed to everything you say, up to some point, so i believe the childhood you're thinking of exists only in the dreams of some.Off the top of my head, a proper childhood would be one that does not involve sex, drugs, violence/abuse and getting pregnant before they can vote. Preferably with parents that either a) work or b) want to work and instil the need to work and not rely on state handouts in their children.
Of course that's just my opinion.
Believe it or not, no matter the state handouts, religion, sexual education or anything else in the environment, some have the *** on fire at age 12. That has always been and will always be. Mankind.....
Originally Posted by Tristuskhan:
I grew up in a pretty neat environment and still was exposed to everything you say, up to some point, so i believe the childhood you're thinking of exists only in the dreams of some.
So you're an example for the rest of the world now? I grew up in a pretty neat environment and still was exposed to everything you say, up to some point, so i believe the childhood you're thinking of exists only in the dreams of some.
Children are always exposed to all that to some point but that doesn't mean they have to experience all of that themselves or get bombarded with it daily so it starts to become a focus in their lives, I think that is what he means with a proper childhood.
Originally Posted by Husar:
So you're an example for the rest of the world now?
Children are always exposed to all that to some point but that doesn't mean they have to experience all of that themselves or get bombarded with it daily so it starts to become a focus in their lives, I think that is what he means with a proper childhood.
I'm just an example of a very reasonably "protected" childhood, an was replying Asa's "Off the top of my head, a proper childhood would be one that does not involve sex, drugs, violence/abuse and getting pregnant before they can vote. Preferably with parents that either a) work or b) want to work and instil the need to work and not rely on state handouts in their children.". So you're an example for the rest of the world now?
Children are always exposed to all that to some point but that doesn't mean they have to experience all of that themselves or get bombarded with it daily so it starts to become a focus in their lives, I think that is what he means with a proper childhood.
It looks like I precisely did not have a "proper childhood", according to these standards, and that's puzzling since my childhood occured by the end of the 70's, beginning of 80's, in a small french city, in a very average familly (divorced
), conditions a very very (very, very...) large majority of kids on Earth could only dream of, and seem to be "unpropper" anyway.The more I think on the topic, the more I want to call my doctor for a good definitive vasectomy. Breeding snappers, what a bore...
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
I respectfully beg to differ. I'd say that children nowadays are forced to grow up sooner and exposed to sex at too early an age.
I didn't say they weren't exposed. The fact is, they're life is very different from ours. I respectfully beg to differ. I'd say that children nowadays are forced to grow up sooner and exposed to sex at too early an age.
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
I'd say this is more indicative of the world we live in, more than anything else. We thought the opposite sex was "yucky" due to social constructs and the culture of the time. "Modern Children" grow up constantly exposed to sex in the media. It's no wonder that they're becoming sexually aware sooner and thus experimenting. This is what has to change. Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood. This is an important part of development and growing up.
I'd say this is more indicative of the world we live in, more than anything else. We thought the opposite sex was "yucky" due to social constructs and the culture of the time. "Modern Children" grow up constantly exposed to sex in the media. It's no wonder that they're becoming sexually aware sooner and thus experimenting. This is what has to change. Children need to be allowed to be children and allowed a proper childhood. This is an important part of development and growing up.
I agree. I meant that we have to be aware to be more careful with them. We weren't exposed to those things in their age. So our parents didn't have to worry about what parents worry now.What you said isn't wrong. I was too lazy to mention it because it's something what all of us already know.
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa:
There is a big difference between acting all mature and clever and actually being mature. Personally I think the voting age should be raised.
You seem to get jumpy about kids. Frankly, I think the older adults can't do any better when judging candidates. But I don't really care about the voting age. I just decided to add humour, which I failed at. There is a big difference between acting all mature and clever and actually being mature. Personally I think the voting age should be raised.
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SCHOOLBOY Alfie Patten wore a personalised hoodie yesterday defiantly declaring he is baby Maisie’s father.
The 13-year-old — devastated after other teens claimed they were the dad — displayed the message: “I’m the daddy, if not **** you all I’ll still be there.”
WARNING: Photo of a print of an offensive gesture and a partially asterisked swear word in image!SCHOOLBOY Alfie Patten wore a personalised hoodie yesterday defiantly declaring he is baby Maisie’s father.
The 13-year-old — devastated after other teens claimed they were the dad — displayed the message: “I’m the daddy, if not **** you all I’ll still be there.”
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If I were "other teens" I don't think I'd be screaming about how responsible I was for all of this. :/
Who cares. Blow me.
meh, can't blame them for wanting the money i guess
When will he moderate his first TV show?
I still can't believe any had sex with that thing. I mean sure you can brown bag it but you know, you know.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
I still can't believe any had sex with that thing. I mean sure you can brown bag it but you know, you know.
We're talking about an english council estate here, what's not to believe?I still can't believe any had sex with that thing. I mean sure you can brown bag it but you know, you know.
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good:
If I were "other teens" I don't think I'd be screaming about how responsible I was for all of this. :/
If I were "other teens" I don't think I'd be screaming about how responsible I was for all of this. :/
Originally Posted by Scurvy:
meh, can't blame them for wanting the money i guess
That's just it. You're dealing with people that are effectively on a different planet to the rest of us. These kind of people. This is all about getting into the tabloids - even when it's so obviously for all of the wrong reasons - and primarily making an easy few quid.meh, can't blame them for wanting the money i guess
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