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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Timothy McVeigh is very real. And I'd like to prevent another one.

    There is an overlap between him and the right of the right. He was not a coincidence, not a single fruitcake. He simply acted on what is spouted, on what is believed, by many.

    The brew consists of the following ingredients:
    - Anti federal government
    - Pro-gun. Rather, extremist fear of Feds disarming the populace
    - An excessive fondness of the military
    - Anti UN
    - Republican
    - Dissapointment with the GOP
    - Libertarianism
    - Racism
    - Anti taxes
    And a certain fondness of consipracy theories. Of the idea that America is in the process of turning into a dictatorship.

    Of course, simply being a Republican against tax increase doesn't an extremist make. It is the brew, the extremism, a degree of anger, and a fanatical and unquestioned belief in it all that makes up the extreme right.

    It is not isolated. It feeds, and it is fed, constantly. By talk radio, by Fox, by the internet. And it trickles down into the more sober right, and up to the extremist hotheads.

    None of this started with Obama. He does seem to have awoken these sentiments. Again, some ideas are now considered mainstream by their adherents that are tantamount to treason and sedition.
    Was that president McVeigh or Senator McVeigh? Oh, you mean the fool who had a date with the needle. Shows how his far ilk can get.

    Now, with Timmy aside let's examine the rest

    -Anti-fed. There are degrees of that. On one hand you have various crazies mostly holed up on our northern border, but those are few and far between. I'd say that far more are guys like me who think that less is more. Less Uncle Sam means more money in my pocket. A good thing.

    -Pro-gun. Once again, it varies. Plenty of folks are packing, there are also a few collectors and a few doomsday fanatics who have enough firepower to supply a regiment. I'd take my gun everywhere I go if I had a gun. Yep, I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment but do not own a gun. I do cherish my right to get if from the nearest Walmart if I feel so inclined.

    -Fondness for the military. Military is the force if the Federal gov't. You can't be anti-Fed and pro-military.

    -anti UN. Screw UN.

    -disappointment with the GOP. Is this good or bad?

    -Libertarianism. What's wrong with that?

    -racism. Racist America elects a black prez.

    -anti-taxes. Yes, and?

    -conspiracy theories. Not in general public.
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    racism. Racist America elects a black prez.
    If there wasn't a strong element of racism in America the pigmentation of the Presidents skin wouldn't even be an issue.

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    If there wasn't a strong element of racism in America the pigmentation of the Presidents skin wouldn't even be an issue.
    When in a European country a black guy becomes PM/Prez without anyone noticing/discussing his race please feel free to rub it in my face. The guy/gal *has* to look the part though.
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    When in a European country a black guy becomes PM/Prez without anyone noticing/discussing his race please feel free to rub it in my face.
    When a european country has had a similar proportion of the population for a similar amount of time then perhaps you can say something.
    Big news America elects an American

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    When a european country has had a similar proportion of the population for a similar amount of time then perhaps you can say something.
    Big news America elects an American
    Let's make it easier then. Let's take a European country and see if it can elect a leader with 50% non-european ethnicity and then look and see whether or not his ancestry become a hot topic.
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    Fondness for the military. Military is the force if the Federal gov't. You can't be anti-Fed and pro-military.

    There are plenty of people who treat the word fed like a swear word and think the military is the greatest thing ever... it seems illogical but when has that ever stopped people believing anything ?
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    Let's make it easier then. Let's take a European country and see if it can elect a leader with 50% non-european ethnicity and then look and see whether or not his ancestry become a hot topic.
    When a european country has had a similar proportion of the population for a similar amount of time then perhaps you can say something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    When a european country has had a similar proportion of the population for a similar amount of time then perhaps you can say something.
    France should have enough non-Euros to get to the 13%
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    I am not sure why I got your back up so much, rvg. I'm not slagging off the US, I am referring to a well-documented phenomenon.

    By now, you’ve probably seen Pundit’s post about his run-in with Tom Baurle on Wednesday. Many people seem to be taking it as a pissing match between a radio host and a guy he hung up on, but I think there’s something far more important than Bauerle calling people names:
    At around 9:52, Bauerle suggested that a new civil war was in order, advocated for secession, and suggested that liberals want to put people like him and Jim Ostrowski in concentration camps.
    Around 11:14, Bauerle advocated for an armed, military coup of the United States government, and wondered whether the military would “side with the people” to, I suppose, wipe out the anti-American liberals.
    I’m not kidding about any of this.
    This is pretty incredible, really — one of the most prominent public voices in WNY openly advocating for a military coup against our elected government. This isn’t some nutjob on a street corner, or some misanthrope in his basement. It’s the most popular local voice on the most popular radio station in town. So what does it mean?

    It could be that Bauerle is just putting on an act in an attempt to generate an audience. But whether he really believes what he says doesn’t matter — either way, there is a substantial audience of conservatives who agree with what he’s saying, whether it’s an act or not.
    http://wnymedia.net/wnymedia/colinea...-undemocratic/

    I would link to an extensive study about the undemocratic right, but I don't know of any. I wouldn't mind reading one, so if anybody has a good recomendation or link, I'd be much obliged.
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    This is quite similar to the late 19th, early 20th french ultra-right. Religious nutjobs and nationalists pretending their country is ruled by the antichrist, jews (or in this case, black muslims) communists and socialists. While they don't have a huge electoral basis, they certainly are well-known, and sometimes respected and well-educated people.

    They have a certain idea of America, and whoever disagrees with them is obviously wrong and ought to be eliminated. This is indeed very close to fascism (it is fascism in my opinion, but I guess people might disagree).

    At least, Charles Maurras and his friends from L'Action Française used to be a decent writters. Most of those folks could hardly write a coherent and thought-out book. The amount of conspirationist mumbo-jumbo they have to put together probably doesn't help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I am not sure why I got your back up so much, rvg. I'm not slagging off the US, I am referring to a well-documented phenomenon.

    http://wnymedia.net/wnymedia/colinea...-undemocratic/

    I would link to an extensive study about the undemocratic right, but I don't know of any. I wouldn't mind reading one, so if anybody has a good recomendation or link, I'd be much obliged.
    You're generalizing about a 300 million stong country based on one radio talking head? That does not seem reasonable.
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    America isn't revolting anytime soon.

    Tell me what there is to revolt against? Obama is Bush except he does a little more talking and has a watered down bill that cuts medicare.

    The more things change the more they stay the same.
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    France should have enough non-Euros to get to the 13%

    Most foriegners in france are from europe, many of the french non europeans are from france.
    What we really need to shut up your nonsense is European leaders in history from different continents. well there is no shortage of those,and there certainly is no shortage of those who are 50% from another continent .
    But of course you mean ethnicity which means they must not only originate from another continent they must be from another race or culture.

    Ah but thats easy Europe beat you on that score by a long way

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    Ahahaha, a radio talking head? Louis, their job is to say crazy **** so people will listen.

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    RVG - no I am not.

    Sasaki - the point is that millions of people do listen, to very many talking heads. They do not listen to Islamic internet sites that say that America is Satan. They do not listen to commie talk radio that says America is a fascist-industrial complex.

    They do listen to alarmist 'America is a liberal dictatorship and Obama is gonna put you into a concentration camp'. Because this, unlike the others, is what they (somewhat) believe.


    And even if they do not believe it all, even if they listen just because they like to get worked up a bit, there is a perfidious mechanism at work: if five is the reasonable middle between four and six, but people will shout without pause 'twenty!, twenty!, twenty!', then a lot of people will think the reasonable middle must be four plus twenty, so twelve instead of five. (Sheesh, learn proper terminology, Louis)

    In effect, they might not believe they'll be send to a concentration camp anytime soon, but they will get out of it that reforming healthcare is tantamount to turning America into a socialist utopia. That a start-of-school-season speech is Hitlerite personality cult building. That they must protect America from the Jews and Bolshevists because Goebbels says so..erm, I mean: from the liberal-marxist dictatorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    They do listen to alarmist 'America is a liberal dictatorship and Obama is gonna put you into a concentration camp'. Because this, unlike the others, is what they (somewhat) believe.
    Says who? What makes you believe that the average Joe hears this and takes it to heart? Average Joe hears that under Obama's new plan 14% of Joe's paycheck will be pissed away on mandatory obamacare and thusly Joe gets upset. That however does not mean that Joe thinks of Obama as a liberal dictator who will eat Joe's children. I don't understand why is anything other than unconditional worship of Obama being interpreted as right wing fascism? People complain about Obama's plan because it is a bad plan. People are disagreeing with a would-be policy, that doesn't mean that they are ready to grab their torches and pitchforks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post

    Most foriegners in france are from europe, many of the french non europeans are from france.
    What we really need to shut up your nonsense is European leaders in history from different continents. well there is no shortage of those,and there certainly is no shortage of those who are 50% from another continent .
    But of course you mean ethnicity which means they must not only originate from another continent they must be from another race or culture.

    Ah but thats easy Europe beat you on that score by a long way
    a french born and bred non-european will suffice. Elect *that* then tell me how less racist europe is compared to the US. Until that happens, we have you beaten by a mile.
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    And even if they do not believe it all, even if they listen just because they like to get worked up a bit, there is a perfidious mechanism at work: if five is the reasonable middle between four and six, but people will shout without pause 'twenty!, twenty!, twenty!', then a lot of people will think the reasonable middle must be four plus twenty, so twelve instead of five. (Sheesh, learn proper terminology, Louis)
    So you mean that by vocal really crazy wingnuts spouting lots of nonsense people shift further to the crazy wingnut direction, but hold up the really crazy wingnuts to say that they themselves are perfectly normal compared to the real loonies even though they are actually insane.

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    Until that happens, we have you beaten by a mile
    Not very good at history are you, do you have trouble thinking of an elected leader of a western european country .
    Say a person of foriegn parents of a middle eastern culture .
    Its amazing, he was named after a country that didn't exist until last century
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    What makes you believe that the average Joe hears this and takes it to heart?
    I do not.


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    I do not.


    *sigh*
    Then what is your point? Fringe crazies have always been there and always will be. Hardly anyone listens to them, and thus they are irrelevant.
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    Fringe crazies have always been there and always will be. Hardly anyone listens to them, and thus they are irrelevant.
    And nowadays fringe crazies are mainstream corporate media and are getting some of the best ratings and are actually still increasing their ratings.
    Its very hard to get good ratings when hardly anyone listens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    And nowadays fringe crazies are mainstream corporate media and are getting some of the best ratings and are actually still increasing their ratings.
    Its very hard to get good ratings when hardly anyone listens
    Good entertainment is supposed to get good ratings.
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    You know something is probably wrong when the French and British both think you're a wuss.

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    Found myself a good bibliography about the hard right:

    http://www.publiceye.org/research/bi...html#P185_7483

    Many of the books and articles referenced are old. Pity, but it does show the pervasiveness of the movements. I am still searching for a study that investigates whether Obama has been a giant stimulus for these movements. I have the distinct impression he has. Both for him being Black, and for being a Democrat - which would show the race and party dimension of the hard right movements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Journal of Political and Military Sociology
    A Force Upon the Plains: The American Militia Movement and the Politics of Hate, by Kenneth S. Stern.


    The good news is that the militia movement in America will not overthrow the government of the United States anytime soon. This collection of paranoids, racists, and wackos might even be considered silly. Fears about black helicopters and the eye on the U.S. dollar bill indicate people whose grasp of reality is not particularly keen.
    The grieving families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing, however, give notice that the militia movement is of serious concern. The death toll from that disaster is evidence of truly dangerous people. Not only are many militia members convinced that the U.S. government is in the hands of the enemy, but they also have access to advanced weaponry and bomb manufacturing techniques and materials. They have web sites on the Internet -- they have funds, radio stations, and organized cells. Kenneth S. Stern has good credentials to write about the militia movement. He is the American Jewish Committee's expert on hate groups, and he has followed the activities of militias for years. Stem, in fact, warned of a possible action on the anniversary of the burning of the Branch Davidian headquarters in Waco just nine days before the Oklahoma bombing.

    Stern's research has received much more attention since Oklahoma City. He discusses the movement's fixation on Ruby Ridge and Waco and its belief that the American government is already an enemy force. The connections among various paramilitary groups, the Christian Identity movement, and racist organizations are delineated.

    This reader put down the book thinking "this is overstated." A few days later, a letter appeared in the local newspaper comparing the U.S. government to Nazi Germany, calling Stern a "pseudo expert," and concluding, "The killing of a woman and her child at Ruby Ridge and innocent people at Waco at the hands of big government agents was no accident. Historically, it is the inevitable outcome of big government." The reader, now recognizing the mind set, thinks, "They're here -- right in my neighborhood."

    That, of course, is why Stern's book is useful. You can't fight what you don't understand. Stern is especially valuable in his discussion of the "insurrectionist theory," which stems from the belief that individuals can engage in armed conflict against their government when the government becomes "tyrannical," as defined by each individual. Americans, of course, have a long tradition of putting individual conscience above government laws, but the tradition from Thoreau to King emphasizes civil disobedience and acceptance of punishment to change the views of the majority. Civil disobedience has great faith in the humanity and reasonableness of one's fellow citizens. Insurrectionist theory as described by Stern is more of a "let's get guns and shoot an ATF agent." G. Gordon Liddy actually urged his followers to do this, with the added stipulation: "Don't shoot at them because they got a vest on underneath that. Head shots. Head shots .... kill the sons of bitches."

    The Liddy quotation brings up another of Stern's points. The vicious antigovernment and racist rhetoric heard daily in the U.S. has an effect. Not only have government employees been threatened, but also their spouses and their children. When political figures refuse to confront and condemn such behavior (either because of fear or a desire for votes), the movement gains respectability and credence.
    And that's ten years old. It is still brewing. And, such is my impression, gaining in strenght, renewing and re-inventing itself.

    Did it slip under the radar under Bush? Was Bush, the excesses of his administration, the result of this? I need to find some articles on how the GOP and the hardright 'communicate' with one another.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ
    We thought we'd never see the day when the President of France shows more resolve than America's Commander in Chief for confronting one of the gravest challenges to global security. But here we are.
    The article concludes with this paragraph.

    The anti-French onslaught of the period 2003-2007 did manage to re-write history. To change the pre-conceptions of France.
    To think it's not a decade ago that the world - often rightfully so - loathed France for her many military adventures, neo-colonialism, aggressive posturing.
    Ah well. It's the 21st century. That one fake Google page carries more currency than a library of books. Even to the quality press.
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    The mother of all articles about the peculiarities of US politics. How could I forget!?
    http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspir...oid_style.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Hofstadter, 1964
    American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind.

    In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics., In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.
    To think I read this article ages ago and promised myself to always keep it in mind when thinking about America. I hang my head in shame and shall leave this thread.

    Already in 1964 Hofstadter gave the definite account of the US hardright. Tracing it back to its historical roots. And showing its remarkable historical consistency, valid to the present day and the contemporary right wing.
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    Why They Feel Dispossessed


    ### If, after our historically discontinuous examples of the paranoid style, we now take the long jump to the contemporary right wing, we find some rather important differences from the nineteenth-century movements. The spokesmen of those earlier movements felt that they stood for causes and personal types that were still in possession of their country—that they were fending off threats to a still established way of life. But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.
    ### Important changes may also be traced to the effects of the mass media. The villains of the modern right are much more vivid than those of their paranoid predecessors, much better known to the public; the literature of the paranoid style is by the same token richer and more circumstantial in personal description and personal invective. For the vaguely delineated villains of the anti-Masons, for the obscure and disguised Jesuit agents, the little-known papal delegates of the anti-Catholics, for the shadowy international bankers of the monetary conspiracies, we may now substitute eminent public figures like Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower., secretaries of State like Marshall, Acheson, and Dulles, Justices of the Supreme Court like Frankfurter and Warren, and the whole battery of lesser but still famous and vivid alleged conspirators headed by Alger Hiss.
    ### Events since 1939 have given the contemporary right-wing paranoid a vast theatre for his imagination, full of rich and proliferating detail, replete with realistic cues and undeniable proofs of the validity of his suspicions. The theatre of action is now the entire world, and he can draw not only on the events of World War II, but also on those of the Korean War and the Cold War. Any historian of warfare knows it is in good part a comedy of errors and a museum of incompetence; but if for every error and every act of incompetence one can substitute an act of treason, many points of fascinating interpretation are open to the paranoid imagination. In the end, the real mystery, for one who reads the primary works of paranoid scholarship, is not how the United States has been brought to its present dangerous position but how it has managed to survive at all.
    ### The basic elements of contemporary right-wing thought can be reduced to three: First, there has been the now-familiar sustained conspiracy, running over more than a generation, and reaching its climax in Roosevelt’s New Deal, to undermine free capitalism, to bring the economy under the direction of the federal government, and to pave the way for socialism or communism. A great many right-wingers would agree with Frank Chodorov, the author of The Income Tax: The Root of All Evil, that this campaign began with the passage of the income-tax amendment to the Constitution in 1913.
    ### The second contention is that top government officialdom has been so infiltrated by Communists that American policy, at least since the days leading up to Pearl Harbor, has been dominated by men who were shrewdly and consistently selling out American national interests.
    ### Finally, the country is infused with a network of Communist agents, just as in the old days it was infiltrated by Jesuit agents, so that the whole apparatus of education, religion, the press, and the mass media is engaged in a common effort to paralyze the resistance of loyal Americans.
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    For November of 1964 this is a very valid article. Today however is October of 2009. Things have changed, and in this particular regard they have changed for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    For November of 1964 this is a very valid article. Today however is October of 2009. Things have changed, and in this particular regard they have changed for the better.
    Oh, I dunno, read this passage from Louis' link:

    The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date for the apocalypse.

    And tell me that doesn't describe what we see with Glenn Beck and the Tea Partiers. Could have been written yesterday.
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    And tell me that doesn't describe what we see with Glenn Beck and the Tea Partiers. Could have been written yesterday.
    You are wrong , that was written in the 60's and we know that those wingnuts must have been crazy because it is now 40 years later and those conspiracy things didn't come to pass.
    Nowadays we have the conspiracies for a new century, which is why they are nothing at all like the conspiracies of the 60s, because if they was like those conspiracies that would mean that todays wingnuts are crazy too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    And tell me that doesn't describe what we see with Glenn Beck and the Tea Partiers. Could have been written yesterday.
    Tea partiers do not bother me. They elect their congressmen, that means they own their congressmen. If they want their congressmen to crow like roosters, that's their prerogative. I personally find tea parties to be a waste of time and IQ, but they do not bother me on any deep level. As for Glenn Beck, with this guy around I no longer need to watch Comedy Central. He is absolutely hilarious, in many ways like Jon Stewart, except that Jon knows it's just a comedy gig, while Glenn really believes his own nonsense. That makes Glenn far more entertaining.
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