Thoughts & Commentary on the Obama Administration

[seireikhaan]

Blaming Republicans instead. I'm sure he'll take the credit if it happens

Somewhat. I was blaming both republicans and congress as a whole, which is of course controlled by democrats. To say I was blaming Republicans only is selective reading.

You are saying that the president was right to immediately assume that the officers had behaved poorly. I don't agree; that the officers behaved poorly or that he should have jumped to that conclusion as an auto trigger.

Immediately assume? You act as though there were not accounts of it. There was fault on both sides of the incident(the professor and the officers), but frankly, that a man can be held up while getting into his own home is frankly absurd. I would probably be angry myself if such an incident happened.

You are claiming that there is no center.

Hardly. I'm pointing out that nobody can hear the center due to the left/right shout match. There is a distinct difference between the two.

Blaming Republicans instead.

On the instance of your accusation of a lack of unity, yes. The RNC is being quite uncooperative, even when pro-traditional republican pillars of political philosophy are handed out. You did not counter this.

Clearly you aren't communicating your message clearly to the people of the backroom. Tuff is not at fault for ignoring the point, it's all on you

If I was unclear, then Tuff should have queried my point in a manner that wasn't aggressive, absurd, and, quite honestly, irritating.

[Lemur]

Don't mind Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan. He doesn't participate in conversations much, but he's a real firecracker when it comes to declaring who is and is not communicating adequately. He operates exclusively on the meta-conversational level. It's all terribly postmodern.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If I was unclear, then Tuff should have queried my point in a manner that wasn't aggressive, absurd, and, quite honestly, irritating.

Yes, I was agreeing with you. In this case, you are as obama, trying to have an open discussion with people of the backroom, and Tuff is as the RNC, deliberately avoiding such discussion and then blaming you for not having one.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Yes, I was agreeing with you. In this case, you are as obama, trying to have an open discussion with people of the backroom, and Tuff is as the RNC, deliberately avoiding such discussion and then blaming you for not having one.

Right. Can you honestly say that you are not slightly bummed by Obama's performance in general? Even I thought he'd be a more impressive President. Blame the Republicans alll you wan't, but what did you think was going to happen when he tried to get the policies of the left put in to place? Were we supposed to roll over and like it?

You honestly think that the public option is reasonable and non-partisan? Or what about the reports that the option itself is holding health care reform hostage? "There will be no reform without a public option". BS. They have helped alienate themselves on the issue, take it or leave it. Of course the government will have to subsidize those who are unwilling or unable to pay for their own health care, but a public system is a new entitlement.

Republicans are just another opposition party. You villify them all you wan't, but the emotional arguement that "Republicans are bad and Democrats are your friends" is running out of juice. We want to get back to negotiating ground and we will. It is hard to do that currently so we need to get there through attrition.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Right. Can you honestly say that you are not slightly bummed by Obama's performance in general? Even I thought he'd be a more impressive President. Blame the Republicans alll you wan't, but what did you think was going to happen when he tried to get the policies of the left put in to place? Were we supposed to roll over and like it?

I haven't payed much attention to the news and won't until it's time to vote again. You can't tell if most presidents are good until maybe 20 years later. In any case, I do believe that most forward progress is made in small steps, which aren't necessarily impressive.

You honestly think that the public option is reasonable and non-partisan? Or what about the reports that the option itself is holding health care reform hostage? "There will be no reform without a public option". BS. They have helped alienate themselves on the issue, take it or leave it. Of course the government will have to subsidize those who are unwilling or unable to pay for their own health care, but a public system is a new entitlement.

I know very little about it. A shame, but I don't have any effect on the outcome right now anyway

Republicans are just another opposition party. You villify them all you wan't, but the emotional arguement that "Republicans are bad and Democrats are your friends" is running out of juice. We want to get back to negotiating ground and we will. It is hard to do that currently so we need to get there through attrition.

The only time real negotiation occurs in when they need the votes to pass the bill, or when it's not a divisive issue. The party with the votes makes a show of it, and the party without the votes complains about it.