Thoughts & Commentary on the Obama Administration

**Louis VI the Fat** · 09-30-2009, 16:15

I am not sure whether I am absolutely shocked, or not surprised at all.

I refer back to several pages ago, where several non-American posters called some of the opposition close to sedition and treason.

Are they out of their mind?
What's up with the populist rightwing of the American right? Are they dreaming of Argentina, 1980? Chile, Brazil? They too all believed they were fighting a marxist take-over.
There is a certain streak to the US right that is dangerously close to fascism. Ultra-right, ultra-religious, too pro-military, and in the end not very democratic at all.

Go blow up some Feds, guys. Just a truck is all it takes for your resistance to bring down a huge federal office.

**Gregoshi** · 09-30-2009, 17:04

Originally Posted by [B

Lemur[/B]'s Newsmax article]blah, blah, blah...Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars...blah, blah blah

<puts on white suit and does best Richardo Montalban impression>

"Welcome to Fantasy Island!"

**Crazed Rabbit** · 09-30-2009, 21:49

Where does Obama find these people?

That Jennings knew of a sexually active 15-year-old, of any gender, involved with “an older man” and didn’t take steps to report that relationship to the student’s parents or to authorities has made him a target for criticism -- long before he was put in charge of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools.

CR

**rvg** · 09-30-2009, 21:54

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

What's up with the populist rightwing of the American right? Are they dreaming of Argentina, 1980? Chile, Brazil? They too all believed they were fighting a marxist take-over.
There is a certain streak to the US right that is dangerously close to fascism. Ultra-right, ultra-religious, too pro-military, and in the end not very democratic at all.

Not true at all. Yes, the fringe (both left and right) has the biggest mouth, but in reality has very little overall support. Also, would you care to define the "ultras" that you've mentioned?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 09-30-2009, 22:37

Originally Posted by rvg

Not true at all. Yes, the fringe (both left and right) has the biggest mouth, but in reality has very little overall support. Also, would you care to define the "ultras" that you've mentioned?

Timothy McVeigh is very real. And I'd like to prevent another one.

There is an overlap between him and the right of the right. He was not a coincidence, not a single fruitcake. He simply acted on what is spouted, on what is believed, by many.

The brew consists of the following ingredients:
- Anti federal government
- Pro-gun. Rather, extremist fear of Feds disarming the populace
- An excessive fondness of the military
- Anti UN
- Republican
- Dissapointment with the GOP
- Libertarianism
- Racism
- Anti taxes
And a certain fondness of consipracy theories. Of the idea that America is in the process of turning into a dictatorship.

Of course, simply being a Republican against tax increase doesn't an extremist make. It is the brew, the extremism, a degree of anger, and a fanatical and unquestioned belief in it all that makes up the extreme right.

It is not isolated. It feeds, and it is fed, constantly. By talk radio, by Fox, by the internet. And it trickles down into the more sober right, and up to the extremist hotheads.

None of this started with Obama. He does seem to have awoken these sentiments. Again, some ideas are now considered mainstream by their adherents that are tantamount to treason and sedition.

**rvg** · 09-30-2009, 23:36

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Timothy McVeigh is very real. And I'd like to prevent another one.

There is an overlap between him and the right of the right. He was not a coincidence, not a single fruitcake. He simply acted on what is spouted, on what is believed, by many.

The brew consists of the following ingredients:
- Anti federal government
- Pro-gun. Rather, extremist fear of Feds disarming the populace
- An excessive fondness of the military
- Anti UN
- Republican
- Dissapointment with the GOP
- Libertarianism
- Racism
- Anti taxes
And a certain fondness of consipracy theories. Of the idea that America is in the process of turning into a dictatorship.

Of course, simply being a Republican against tax increase doesn't an extremist make. It is the brew, the extremism, a degree of anger, and a fanatical and unquestioned belief in it all that makes up the extreme right.

It is not isolated. It feeds, and it is fed, constantly. By talk radio, by Fox, by the internet. And it trickles down into the more sober right, and up to the extremist hotheads.

None of this started with Obama. He does seem to have awoken these sentiments. Again, some ideas are now considered mainstream by their adherents that are tantamount to treason and sedition.

Was that president McVeigh or Senator McVeigh? Oh, you mean the fool who had a date with the needle. Shows how his far ilk can get.

Now, with Timmy aside let's examine the rest

-Anti-fed. There are degrees of that. On one hand you have various crazies mostly holed up on our northern border, but those are few and far between. I'd say that far more are guys like me who think that less is more. Less Uncle Sam means more money in my pocket. A good thing.

-Pro-gun. Once again, it varies. Plenty of folks are packing, there are also a few collectors and a few doomsday fanatics who have enough firepower to supply a regiment. I'd take my gun everywhere I go if I had a gun. Yep, I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment but do not own a gun. I do cherish my right to get if from the nearest Walmart if I feel so inclined.

-Fondness for the military. Military is the force if the Federal gov't. You can't be anti-Fed and pro-military.

-anti UN. Screw UN.

-disappointment with the GOP. Is this good or bad?

-Libertarianism. What's wrong with that?

-racism. Racist America elects a black prez.

-anti-taxes. Yes, and?

-conspiracy theories. Not in general public.

**Tribesman** · 10-01-2009, 01:05

racism. Racist America elects a black prez.

If there wasn't a strong element of racism in America the pigmentation of the Presidents skin wouldn't even be an issue.

**rvg** · 10-01-2009, 01:51

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If there wasn't a strong element of racism in America the pigmentation of the Presidents skin wouldn't even be an issue.

When in a European country a black guy becomes PM/Prez without anyone noticing/discussing his race please feel free to rub it in my face. The guy/gal *has* to look the part though.

**Tribesman** · 10-01-2009, 02:19

When in a European country a black guy becomes PM/Prez without anyone noticing/discussing his race please feel free to rub it in my face.

When a european country has had a similar proportion of the population for a similar amount of time then perhaps you can say something.
Big news America elects an American