Thoughts & Commentary on the Obama Administration

[Meneldil]

Nor is FoxNews the only current perpetrator. The wildly less popular MSNBC features shows that lean every bit as far left as Fox shows do right. Naturally, Obama isn't calling MSNBC out for not being a real news organization.... since he agrees with them.

The day MSNBC will be recognized worldwide as a complete and utter biased channel that only aims at leftist hippies and doesn't produce any real news, maybe your argument will hold some value.

Now, I don't want to burst your bubble, but the European media (both from the left and from the right) often point the finger at FoxNews, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and their other friends. 2 days ago I read a newspaper from Geneve that had an article about Glenn Beck. One week ago it was Slate.fr (who admitedly just translated the article from Slate.com). Before that, it was Le Monde.
This channel is a joke that makes America look stupid and dangerous.
On the other hand, nobody cares about MSNBC. They might very well be biased (and it's quite obvious they are), but there's a difference between being biased and spouting lies 24/7, making threats, exposing silly conspiracy theories, calling people traitors because they have a non-american sounding name and what not.
FoxNews would make Goebbel and the propagandastaffl look like mere amateurs (and yeah, that's a godwin).

[KukriKhan]

I'm surprised to read that French and Swiss media take note of Fox or MSNBC. I sort of understand that the Rupert Empire (Fox) extends globally, but MSNBC? Can you view Glenn Beck directly on TV, Meneldil? Or indirectly, via news stories & internet?

[Lemur]

Well, I don't watch any cable news (that way madness lies, quoth Lear), so all of my exposure to MSNBC, Fox News and CNN comes from YouTube or embedded clips. If I can (sort of ) keep up with the cable heads that way, so can anyone anywhere.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The day MSNBC will be recognized worldwide as a complete and utter biased channel that only aims at leftist hippies and doesn't produce any real news, maybe your argument will hold some value.

Now, I don't want to burst your bubble, but the European media (both from the left and from the right) often point the finger at FoxNews, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and their other friends. 2 days ago I read a newspaper from Geneve that had an article about Glenn Beck. One week ago it was Slate.fr (who admitedly just translated the article from Slate.com). Before that, it was Le Monde.
This channel is a joke that makes America look stupid and dangerous.
On the other hand, nobody cares about MSNBC. They might very well be biased (and it's quite obvious they are), but there's a difference between being biased and spouting lies 24/7, making threats, exposing silly conspiracy theories, calling people traitors because they have a non-american sounding name and what not.
FoxNews would make Goebbel and the propagandastaffl look like mere amateurs (and yeah, that's a godwin).

Well, wouldn't you expect european media to care more about fox lying than about nbc lying?

Also, weren't we discussing last page about how fox broke the story on some advisor of obama's being a 9/11 truther, and now the obama administration is saying "don't pick up the stories they break"?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The day MSNBC will be recognized worldwide as a complete and utter biased channel that only aims at leftist hippies and doesn't produce any real news, maybe your argument will hold some value.

What it is recognized as does not mean that it can't be something else.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Also, weren't we discussing last page about how fox broke the story on some advisor of obama's being a 9/11 truther

Leaving aside the nature of Fox for a minute, I have two conflicting emotions about that.

I actually think Fox (Beck I think it was?) did a great job in exposing that. And in calling out several other less succesful personell pickings of the Obama administration. (Where does he find these people?)

Secondly, I think Fox missed the mark with that one and similar stories. It carefully avoids the essence, the critical issues, and instead concentrates on the trivial, the ephemeral, blowing stories up way out of proportion.

News ought to be about healthcare reform (not 'socialized healthcare' as Fox has dubbed it), or Afghanistan, or even policy failures of Obama. It is not important that somebody on the fringes of government happened to put his autograph somewhere. That is not a sign of Obama turning America into a socialist dictatorship. And it still isn't even if you howl about it all week long.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I actually think Fox (Beck I think it was?) did a great job in exposing that. And in calling out several other less succesful personell pickings of the Obama administration. (Where does he find these people?)

It is now monday and I had to work all day.

So I now disagree with Fox rummaging through the dumpster of every person distantly involved in the Obama administaration. This is a witchhunt. Everybody here in the Backroom has posted something that he wouldn't want to be reminded of when applying for a new job. What public service is served by Fox' relentless hunt searching for possible unfortunate remarks somebody may have made fifteen years ago? Who is served by Fox staking out in somebody's seage, hoping to find some turd to float along, and start a week long cabal about it on their talk-television shows?

This is not useful investigative journalism. It is turd-fishing, hoping to find some trivial matter, perhaps a youthful mistake, that can be blown way out of proportion and used as 'evidence' of Obama's Marxist attack on America.

[Strike For The South]

It is now monday and I had to work all day.

So I now disagree with Fox rummaging through the dumpster of every person distantly involved in the Obama administaration. This is a witchhunt. Everybody here in the Backroom has posted something that he wouldn't want to be reminded of when applying for a new job. What public service is served by Fox' relentless hunt searching for possible unfortunate remarks somebody may have made fifteen years ago? Who is served by Fox staking out in somebody's seage, hoping to find some turd to float along, and start a week long cabal about it on their talk-television shows?

This is not useful investigative journalism. It is turd-fishing, hoping to find some trivial matter, perhaps a youthful mistake, that can be blown way out of proportion and used as 'evidence' of Obama's Marxist attack on America.

I'll agree to an extent.

Some of the things Fox talks about are important and none of the other networks cover them (ACORN). However the fact that to get to 1 good point you need to go through 100 miles of crazy doesn't help them.

[Xiahou]

Here's a shocker- Stimulus jobs wildly exaggerated

While Massachusetts recipients of federal stimulus money collectively report 12,374 jobs saved or created, a Globe review shows that number is wildly exaggerated. Organizations that received stimulus money miscounted jobs, filed erroneous figures, or claimed jobs for work that has not yet started.

But in interviews with recipients, the Globe found that several openly acknowledged creating far fewer jobs than they have been credited for.

One of the largest reported jobs figures comes from Bridgewater State College, which is listed as using $77,181 in stimulus money for 160 full-time work-study jobs for students. But Bridgewater State spokesman Bryan Baldwin said the college made a mistake and the actual number of new jobs was “almost nothing.’’ Bridgewater has submitted a correction, but it is not yet reflected in the report.

In other cases, federal money that recipients already receive annually - subsidies for affordable housing, for example - was reclassified this year as stimulus spending, and the existing jobs already supported by those programs were credited to stimulus spending. Some of these recipients said they did not even know the money they were getting was classified as stimulus funds until September, when federal officials told them they had to file reports.

You're already dealing with such a nebulous metric as jobs 'created or saved' and even still the numbers are fraudulent...

[Beskar]

From a Socialist to America.
You are no where near Socialist, stop using our name in vain.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Here's a shocker- Stimulus jobs wildly exaggerated
You're already dealing with such a nebulous metric as jobs 'created or saved' and even still the numbers are fraudulent...

The employment numbers are disappointing. I don't see the fraud.


If jobs 'created or saved' from existing subsidies are added into the numbers, with these existing subsidies re-classified as part of the stimulus package, then the expenses paid on the stimulus packages is accordingly lower too.


I wish I knew if the administration mixes these two numbers up. That is, if they speak of 'jobs created' counting all the jobs created from federal subsidies, but when discussing the total amount of money spend, using only the newer stimulus packages. This would be fraudulent.

[Furunculus]

The day MSNBC will be recognized worldwide as a complete and utter biased channel that only aims at leftist hippies and doesn't produce any real news, maybe your argument will hold some value.

Now, I don't want to burst your bubble, but the European media (both from the left and from the right) often point the finger at FoxNews, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and their other friends. 2 days ago I read a newspaper from Geneve that had an article about Glenn Beck. One week ago it was Slate.fr (who admitedly just translated the article from Slate.com). Before that, it was Le Monde.
This channel is a joke that makes America look stupid and dangerous.
On the other hand, nobody cares about MSNBC. They might very well be biased (and it's quite obvious they are), but there's a difference between being biased and spouting lies 24/7, making threats, exposing silly conspiracy theories, calling people traitors because they have a non-american sounding name and what not.
FoxNews would make Goebbel and the propagandastaffl look like mere amateurs (and yeah, that's a godwin).

breaking news everyone: we are all stunned and amazed that a decidedly left wing group of nations (comparitively) picks out a right wing news corporation from right wing america in order to shower it with contempt.

an element of group-think, no? an inability to recognise the failings and shortcomings from within ones own circle.........

perhaps a dash of zenophobia thrown in as well? highlighting that which is different for contempt and isolation because it does not conform to your world view.........

fox may have its faults, but the idea that europe considers fox to be contemptible holds exactly zero weight with me, for the reason outlined in the first sentence.