Thoughts & Commentary on the Obama Administration

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 10-31-2009, 19:04

Originally Posted by Meneldil

The day MSNBC will be recognized worldwide as a complete and utter biased channel that only aims at leftist hippies and doesn't produce any real news, maybe your argument will hold some value.

What it is recognized as does not mean that it can't be something else.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-31-2009, 21:42

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Also, weren't we discussing last page about how fox broke the story on some advisor of obama's being a 9/11 truther

Leaving aside the nature of Fox for a minute, I have two conflicting emotions about that.

I actually think Fox (Beck I think it was?) did a great job in exposing that. And in calling out several other less succesful personell pickings of the Obama administration. (Where does he find these people?)

Secondly, I think Fox missed the mark with that one and similar stories. It carefully avoids the essence, the critical issues, and instead concentrates on the trivial, the ephemeral, blowing stories up way out of proportion.

News ought to be about healthcare reform (not 'socialized healthcare' as Fox has dubbed it), or Afghanistan, or even policy failures of Obama. It is not important that somebody on the fringes of government happened to put his autograph somewhere. That is not a sign of Obama turning America into a socialist dictatorship. And it still isn't even if you howl about it all week long.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-03-2009, 00:54

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I actually think Fox (Beck I think it was?) did a great job in exposing that. And in calling out several other less succesful personell pickings of the Obama administration. (Where does he find these people?)

It is now monday and I had to work all day.

So I now disagree with Fox rummaging through the dumpster of every person distantly involved in the Obama administaration. This is a witchhunt. Everybody here in the Backroom has posted something that he wouldn't want to be reminded of when applying for a new job. What public service is served by Fox' relentless hunt searching for possible unfortunate remarks somebody may have made fifteen years ago? Who is served by Fox staking out in somebody's seage, hoping to find some turd to float along, and start a week long cabal about it on their talk-television shows?

This is not useful investigative journalism. It is turd-fishing, hoping to find some trivial matter, perhaps a youthful mistake, that can be blown way out of proportion and used as 'evidence' of Obama's Marxist attack on America.

**Strike For The South** · 11-03-2009, 02:47

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

It is now monday and I had to work all day.

So I now disagree with Fox rummaging through the dumpster of every person distantly involved in the Obama administaration. This is a witchhunt. Everybody here in the Backroom has posted something that he wouldn't want to be reminded of when applying for a new job. What public service is served by Fox' relentless hunt searching for possible unfortunate remarks somebody may have made fifteen years ago? Who is served by Fox staking out in somebody's seage, hoping to find some turd to float along, and start a week long cabal about it on their talk-television shows?

This is not useful investigative journalism. It is turd-fishing, hoping to find some trivial matter, perhaps a youthful mistake, that can be blown way out of proportion and used as 'evidence' of Obama's Marxist attack on America.

I'll agree to an extent.

Some of the things Fox talks about are important and none of the other networks cover them (ACORN). However the fact that to get to 1 good point you need to go through 100 miles of crazy doesn't help them.

**Xiahou** · 11-12-2009, 22:22

Here's a shocker- Stimulus jobs wildly exaggerated

While Massachusetts recipients of federal stimulus money collectively report 12,374 jobs saved or created, a Globe review shows that number is wildly exaggerated. Organizations that received stimulus money miscounted jobs, filed erroneous figures, or claimed jobs for work that has not yet started.

But in interviews with recipients, the Globe found that several openly acknowledged creating far fewer jobs than they have been credited for.

One of the largest reported jobs figures comes from Bridgewater State College, which is listed as using $77,181 in stimulus money for 160 full-time work-study jobs for students. But Bridgewater State spokesman Bryan Baldwin said the college made a mistake and the actual number of new jobs was “almost nothing.’’ Bridgewater has submitted a correction, but it is not yet reflected in the report.

In other cases, federal money that recipients already receive annually - subsidies for affordable housing, for example - was reclassified this year as stimulus spending, and the existing jobs already supported by those programs were credited to stimulus spending. Some of these recipients said they did not even know the money they were getting was classified as stimulus funds until September, when federal officials told them they had to file reports.

You're already dealing with such a nebulous metric as jobs 'created or saved' and even still the numbers are fraudulent...

**Beskar** · 11-12-2009, 22:52

From a Socialist to America.
You are no where near Socialist, stop using our name in vain.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 11-12-2009, 23:23

Originally Posted by Xiahou

Here's a shocker- Stimulus jobs wildly exaggerated
You're already dealing with such a nebulous metric as jobs 'created or saved' and even still the numbers are fraudulent...

The employment numbers are disappointing. I don't see the fraud.

If jobs 'created or saved' from existing subsidies are added into the numbers, with these existing subsidies re-classified as part of the stimulus package, then the expenses paid on the stimulus packages is accordingly lower too.

I wish I knew if the administration mixes these two numbers up. That is, if they speak of 'jobs created' counting all the jobs created from federal subsidies, but when discussing the total amount of money spend, using only the newer stimulus packages. This would be fraudulent.