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    Well, I just thought to meself, that's all, that we might have us a thread with the real classic songs from long ago.
    It's no surprise if you can't remember the 60's! (1260's that is!)

    I have one;

    Her Lady of the Greene Sleeves - Anonymous.

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    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Any music that doesn't originate with poor black people at some point sucks. Aside from Country and Folk, of course; but those are so closely related to the old Blues it doesn't matter.
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    Hmm?

    What does it suck Father Joe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Hmm?

    What does it suck Father Joe?
    Dude... don't make me spell it out for you. I don't feel like getting warning points.

    I mean, honestly, I understand how classical music was, well, classical, but it is also an unbelievably arrogant and conceited form of music without any appeal to basic human emotion. It is entirely intellectual and devoid of emotion, utterly obsessed with perfection and willing to trample all over actual musical entertainment to reach this purpose.

    Kinda like the late 70's Pink Floyd, actually.

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    You are right!

    By God sah! I do indeed believe it!

    When I play my favourite melody, Die Liebestraum Nummer Drei von Franz Lizt, I sit there at my desk like a stone!

    And those toffy, civilised Viennese people - look how stiff they are, walzing strangely about their halls of careless inspiration to Strauss.

    I bet they have black holes for hearts!

    Would you agree with me when I say that the Opera, " The Elixir of Love", by Donizetti, with it's infamously popular Aria, "Una Furtiva Lagrima", is nothing more than a facade?
    I should think that man was incapable of basic emotions like, 'love', when he wrote of the girl whom his character was deeply obsessed with.

    And others, like "O Lola", sung by a Grenadier trying to convince his sweetheart of his affections - my, it must be a piece suited only for psychologists and elevators!

    People must have been nothing more than dull, greedy politicians and doctors before 1950!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    I mean, honestly, I understand how classical music was, well, classical, but it is also an unbelievably arrogant and conceited form of music without any appeal to basic human emotion. It is entirely intellectual and devoid of emotion, utterly obsessed with perfection and willing to trample all over actual musical entertainment to reach this purpose.


    Sir, no. Just no.

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    ...You asked.



    Edit: dude, in all seriousness, I really do understand classical music, and I have genuinely loved some in my time. But I am supremely irritated and, frankly, insulted when people try to do what you do, which is to use it to trash modern music by means of condescension. Less-refined and complicated music is just as good; it may not take as much effort to produce, but the main point of music is to excite the soul. And whether this is done so by the perfect classical melody or your average rock song, the music still achieves its purpose. So please, refrain from insulting the music I know and love by implication.
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    Asked for what, sah?

    For Classical repetoire?

    Or for something to suck?

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    darnit, you responded too fast... look up, please, look up!

    And don't call me sirrah... I know you're thinking it.
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    Aha..

    Well, Reverend Father, what reason have you to believe that I have not listened to Jimi Hendrix, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Black Sabbath, Count Five, Led Zeppelin, Ray Charles, and Leadbelly for years before turning to Django Reinhardt, Stephane Grappelli, Enrico Caruso and John McCormack?

    I hope you do not picture me as a middle-class undergraduate student living in Sydney and taking piano lessons..

    Ha ha ha ha! Thank you for explaining yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Well, Reverend Father, what reason have you to believe that I have not listened to Jimi Hendrix, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Black Sabbath, Count Five, Led Zeppelin, Ray Charles, and Leadbelly for years before turning to Django Reinhardt, Stephane Grappelli, Enrico Caruso and John McCormack?
    ...Because you listened to them, and I can't understand anyone turning their back on them?
    I hope you do not picture me as a middle-class undergraduate student living in Sydney and taking piano lessons..
    I don't, man. I just get sensitive about what I perceive as condescension.
    Ha ha ha ha! Thank you for explaining yourself.
    And thanks for understanding.

    Edit: also, don't call me "father." The Reverend thing is a reference to my belonging to an online church, where I am technically considered a reverend, and because I consider myself a holy man; but I do not consider myself above anyone else, which the term "Father" implies. Okay, maybe the reverend thing kinda does too, but it's not as blatant, and it sounds better to me anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    ...You asked.



    Edit: dude, in all seriousness, I really do understand classical music, and I have genuinely loved some in my time. But I am supremely irritated and, frankly, insulted when people try to do what you do, which is to use it to trash modern music by means of condescension. Less-refined and complicated music is just as good; it may not take as much effort to produce, but the main point of music is to excite the soul. And whether this is done so by the perfect classical melody or your average rock song, the music still achieves its purpose. So please, refrain from insulting the music I know and love by implication.
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    Joe, I think Sasaki is mere holding up a mirror in front of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Well, I just thought to meself, that's all, that we might have us a thread with the real classic songs from long ago.
    It's no surprise if you can't remember the 60's! (1260's that is!)

    I have one;

    Her Lady of the Greene Sleeves - Anonymous.
    *adopts best condescending voice*

    My dear fellow, Green Sleeves is a vulgar modern tune of Tudor provenance.

    If you are looking for songs that "rocked da convent" in the 1260's one might suggest you look up Hildegard von Bingen. "O rubor sanguinis" is, I believe, rather "catchy".

    "If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
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    This song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANT303erhV8

    Or a less cool version of it, at least...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    I mean, honestly, I understand how classical music was, well, classical, but it is also an unbelievably arrogant and conceited form of music without any appeal to basic human emotion. It is entirely intellectual and devoid of emotion, utterly obsessed with perfection and willing to trample all over actual musical entertainment to reach this purpose.
    I actually agree with this. Best 'classical' music, much like art, is from the late 19th century.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI2-1HzgWs8 <- this is the stuff
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    Hey hey, late 19th century = Romantic. Classical music is Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc.

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    Does the OP mean something like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0zbF5mlvL8
    (French, Thibaut de Champagne, 1st half 13th century)
    or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6ue8mAt0_8
    (no idea actually. French anyway)
    or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNHu-Yb2Dvw
    (from the Cantigas de Santa Maria by Alfons X. 'el Sabio' of Castille, mid 13th century)

    ?

    The really good ones aren't on youtube, unfortunately...



    Edit: Nevermind. Just figured out that this is most probably more of a joke thread in response to another one.

    What an uneducated bunch around here... *sigh*.
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    Hey I, whether it started as a joke or not, it has some serious overtures. Keep it going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoshi View Post
    Joe, I think Sasaki is mere holding up a mirror in front of you.
    I still don't get it... I've viewed my own thread, and so have quite a few other people...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Joe View Post
    I still don't get it... I've viewed my own thread, and so have quite a few other people...

    Oh, that "read posts: 0" is just a moderator thing from when I copied pasted. I meant to point out the "GENUINE".

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    brilliant and beautiful



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    This 1206 poem by Yuan Haowen has been set to music a number of times in various wuxia adaptations. Here's one version. Here's the story behind the poem.

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    I'm sick of johnny-come-latelies, like that song all the monks are singing, Gaudete.

    -edit-

    Dang it, turns out Gaudete is 16th century, not 13th. Bad lemur! Bad, anachronistic lemur!
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    Greensleeves is ok.

    Does Misirlou count?

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    Is Miserlou from the 13th Century?

    I am sorry, I am simply obeying the thread title.

    Yes, this thread was started as a parody - but since many more people than I had considered are interested in this era of music - I would very much like to see their collection of melodies from this time.

    Let it be called, "Classic Songs of the Middle Ages".

    I do enjoy Greek Folk - Miserlou, Pentozalis, Daliana, Despo..

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    Reverend Joe, Sasaki has made the comment abstractly, that you are hypocritical in telling me to beware of insulting the music so dear to you, and in the same thread telling me that my dearest music is without basic emotion.
    He also is of the opinion that you are hypocritical in seeing my title, ("The REAL Classics"), as condescending, when you have done the same with your own thread title.

    Direct your reply to Sasaki.

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    Please, make more suggestions of music you have heard from this era, if you will!

    I am not sure, but I believe the French, "La Stampie Royale", is from the late 13th or early 14th century.
    A renaissance piece which I adore is, "Claire de Lune"...

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