Grenadiers... Grenades?

[Megas Methuselah]

I remember hearing everyone talking about how they detested the possibility of grenadiers wielding grenades. Well, guess what? They have grenades. Despite that, though, muskets are still the primary weapon of the grenadiers.

So, I'm just gonna start up a poll again, and want everyone's opinion. Did CA overkill the stereotypical grenadiers with their grenades? Should they be able to wield any grenades at all? Or do you think it was good the way it was? Or maybe you just don't care? Gah?

Vote, Orgahs, vote!

[A Very Super Market]

Gah, so many polls that I can't vote in because I haven't played the farking demo yet!

[Megas Methuselah]

It's fun. As soon as this advil gets rid of this headache, I'm going right back into the grinder.

[quadalpha]

Oh, I forgot to use the grenades! How effective are they?

[Megas Methuselah]

They're not OP'd, but Lord, they are FUN!!!!

EDIT: Grapeshot is awesome, too! And very effective!

[A Very Super Market]

I am now 20% away from enjoying these grenades. If you're lying, I will make it my mission to DESTORY any prairie I ever come across.

[Sheogorath]

The big white lines flying all over my screen annoy me more than the grenades

Besides, in the early portion of the game, grenades WOULD be accurate. Ish. Kind of. Maybe.

But yeah, they are fun :P

[Megas Methuselah]

You told me yourself that Grenadiers didn't use grenades anymore, you liar!

If you're lying, I will make it my mission to DESTORY any prairie I ever come across.

Oh, you are so British Columbian...

[A Very Super Market]

Yes... yes I am...

Also, I'm Asian, and therefore hungry for power. Do not mess with me...

[Megas Methuselah]

I don't know about that, but I certainly won't let you drive a car with me inside of it.

[A Very Super Market]

I'm surprised you prairie folk know what a car is

Anyways, humourous Canadian in-jokes aside, what exactly makes the grenades so fun?

[Megas Methuselah]

The animation. It looks so cool. The Grenadiers hurl a grenades in an upward slope which fall into the enemy ranks. Then a couple seconds later... BOOM!!! It looks so cool!

[Sheogorath]

The animation. It looks so cool. The Grenadiers hurl a grenades in an upward slope which fall into the enemy ranks. Then a couple seconds later... BOOM!!! It looks so cool!

I think it'd be nicer if there was a chance for a grenade to explode too early, blowing a nice chunk out of your formation. It'd add a nice element of random danger to your grenadiers lives, which would make up for late-game anachronisms with a bit of reality :P

[Megas Methuselah]

Wouldn't even be close to stopping me from using them.

[cannon_fodder]

They work well, causing casualties faster than muskets at close range, but not insanely fast; even 2 volleys of grenades will not cause the destruction or retreat of a unit. And they do look cool in action.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The only experience with them was thusly...

I was trading fire with the Yankees in line, but flanked them on the right (their left) by the town hall. Put grenadiers into the little wooded hill, right next to some already engaged rebel line. Got them real close, the AI probably should've been thinking about doing something, and bam, grenades. They lost at least a dozen in one shot, broke right after I sent them in charging to finish the job. I'd have to play around more to decide if they're overpowered - for instance, I don't know their actual range.

[Megas Methuselah]

Their range is very short. Those Yanks were probably already shaken or something.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Yeah, I don't remember the specifics. For starters, they were probably off put by those angry, burly men standing next to them while juggling ordinance.

[Polemists]

Well I voted because I like polls :)

That said I was against the grenades because I feared they would be A. Poorly animated B. Overpowered.

From sounds of things they look neat, and arn't a instant break weapon, so that's fine. The short range means you have to get your Grenadiers close, so that should elimnate them from being a use everytime tactic.

[Sir Beane]

I completely forgot that they had grenades, and just used them as tough line infantry. Guess I'll have to play the battle again just to see them.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

I used them to attack the town hall which was also under fire of my baby artillery (you know those horse things). They assaulted with their grenades and soon after that the building was on fire. I don't know if that was the result of the grenades but it looked funny.

[PanzerJaeger]

I used them on 4 different American units and routed them all.

Overpowered.

This could be a big deal in mp, among other things....

[ArtillerySmoke]

I used them on 4 different American units and routed them all.

Overpowered.

This could be a big deal in mp, among other things....

I hope we're not looking at "all grenadier armies" just spamming grenades all over the place.

[Polemists]

arn't they short ranged though?

I mean couldn't a group of rifle/musket men just gun them down? or calvary run them down?

[Abokasee]

Grenades are accurate for this time period, sure they were big heavy steel balls with string fuse bu they were grenades, but the troops using them had to be very large people (Hence the Potsdam Grenadiers)

[TB666]

Grenades are accurate for this time period, sure they were big heavy steel balls with string fuse bu they were grenades, but the troops using them had to be very large people (Hence the Potsdam Grenadiers)

Indeed.

So far I haven't actually used them.
Using the simple musket fire and cavalry charge to the flank is a too much of a effective method for me to bother bring up the grenadiers close enough to throw their grenades.
I suppose they would be very useful during seiges however.

[Polemists]

Yes I guess that is another point of view, you don't have to use the gernades if you don't want to. Of course when you fight against enemies with gernades in mp and sp campaign you may want to.

[Sir Beane]

I just played a battle in which I used Grenadiers. They are extremely fun, and not overpowered at all. A grenade barrage does about as much damage as a decent musket volley, perhaps a little more. They're just a fun addition that adds variety.

[Megas Methuselah]

I used them on 4 different American units and routed them all.

Overpowered.

This could be a big deal in mp, among other things....

How did you use them? Flanking? There are much more efficient ways to flank a unit than with grenades.

For my part, I just bayonet-charged my unit of guards with the grenadiers trailing behind tossing grenades into the melee. I could've just flanked the enemy with cavalry, but grenades are more fun.

[Sol Invictus]

I would prefer that the Grenades had been left out but it is a small issue for me. I will only use them when assaulting buildings or earthworks.