Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

[CountArach]

thank you for just making my point.
doesnt matter how hard itll take. they will get them. and they will strike. and we lawful citizens wont have any means of self defense.

You don't have a lawful means of self-defence now... you even said as much yourself - you aren't able to shoot. So how would your situation change if guns were banned?

what if the would be victim had a gun? then there wouldnt be a rape in the first place.

What if said person is taken by surprise by someone who has a gun? They reach for their concealed firearm, but their sudden movement gets them shot...

I don't see any good coming from that....

it is well known that the police cant be everywhere at all times.

No they can't, and nor do they need to be when there are fewer guns.

Anyway gun control debates get me wound up and I know that neither side is ever going to change their views. So I shall depart this thread.

[Hooahguy]

You don't have a lawful means of self-defence now... you even said as much yourself - you aren't able to shoot. So how would your situation change if guns were banned?

when did i say we dont have lawful self-defense now? ok, so you have to be 21 to own a gun, so what? ill wait. ill take precautions. i dont really have to go out in the real world until im 21 anyhow. until then ill be in college, high school, so....

What if said person is taken by surprise by someone who has a gun? They reach for their concealed firearm, but their sudden movement gets them shot...

I don't see any good coming from that....

but at least give them the chance. maybe if some woman in a vacant parking lot saw someone approaching her, she has time to pull out a gun. if she was taken by surprise then she is in deep trouble anyhoow, but give her the chance to defend herself in the first place.

No they can't, and nor do they need to be when there are fewer guns.

you just said before that the bad people who really want guns will get them. and now you are saying we will need fewer cops?
on the contrary. if we dont ban guns we will need fewer cops because there will be more people to protect others if the police isnt around.

EDIT: no one is replying, so ill assume victory...
horray!

[Fiddling_nero]

This is the exact issue that caused me to not vote for George Bush in 2004.
(Note I didn't vote for Kerry either. I'm not a fool to think that he would have done any different.)

[seireikhaan]

I repeat:



I see no reason people need an assault weapon to defend themselves, with the exception of the situation Strike mentioned- in cases of cross-border raids, regardless of political expediency, the police and/or military need to be on that job.

But if people feel more comfortable thinking that owning an assault weapon somehow makes them the torch-bearers of the founding fathers, I don't particularly care if assault weapons were legal either.

P.S.- No citizen group is overthrowing the US government with assault weapons anyways, FYI. You gonna be put down HARD. Y'all gonna need to be a bit less, ya know, obvious. Subterfuge and the like, in and out operations. Concealed weapons gonna be the best bet there.

[Hooahguy]

oh good, were back to assault weapons.
but i agree with seireikhaan on the topic of assault weapons. they arent needed nowhere near as much. anyhow, pistols are better.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Arach, why do you care about firearm restrictions in another country?

[CountArach]

Arach, why do you care about firearm restrictions in another country?

*Temporarily breaks his self-imposed ban on this thread*

Its the pacifist in me - no one, anywhere, should be shot by another human being for any reason. Getting rid of guns across the world ensures that.

But I think the question itself doesn't make sense - why should anyone care about Third World poverty? Why should anyone care about the Palestine-Israel conflict? Why should anyone, anywhere, care about things that happen on the other side of the world? Think about why you care about these things and then you will have your answer.

*Goes back into exile... for real this time...*

[Devastatin Dave]

Arach, why do you care about firearm restrictions in another country?

He's just trying to enlighten us dumb old American hicks..

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

No they can't, and nor do they need to be when there are fewer guns.

Only there won't be fewer guns, or murders. It'll switch to knives. And then you'll have to ban knives. And then kitchen implements. And so on.

And, in spite of all this, even small-time criminals are still going to have means of getting guns. In Toronto, for example, where do small-time criminals get their handguns? From the bigger gangs.