Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
I said that I thought the murder rate would go down -- but suspect that violence would increase. Murders would be lessened not because of the criminal element -- there'd be a slight increase from that direction as some of the nuttier ones felt less threatened. I was referring to the fairly large chunk of those murders that represent loved ones killing loved ones during a fight of some kind. Firearms make such killings easier. I'm well aware that you can kill someone with a knife and that cutting tools can do horrific things (John Wayne Bobbitt), but they are usually far less lethal in this advanced medical era we're in. Again, I'm talking a decrease in deaths, not a decrease in violence or injuries.
Hmm. What information are you using?

Looking at the 2007 FBI Crime stats, there are only six more husbands and wives of offenders (596 total) killed by all weapons during none felony events (arguments and brawls) than they are people beaten to death (590) during the same none felony events.

Overall, murders where the victim is a relative, and the murder doesn't occur during another felony crime, account for 9.5% of total murders.

It isn't known how many of those are actual 'loved ones' killing people they would normally love. (Wives as victims make up 3.3% of those none-felony relative murders.)

People who deliberately kill others to deter a property theft do not.
Playing devils advocate, he did first confront them. He did not shoot them from hiding. But I do think people are justified in confront robbers with all force necessary even if they don't invade your home.

Sorry CR but that part just won’t fly. You have no idea what length the US military, particularly the US Army will go to in order to recover a missing weapon or even its parts.
We're talking world government here - I wasn't speaking necessarily about the US Army (I would worry first about the police here) but armies and soldiers in other countries. Such a worldwide ban would greatly increase the prize for black market guns and so greatly increase the incentive. Doesn't Thailand execute all drug dealers? Yet people still try to smuggle them in, because of the immense profit.
In the United Kingdom, on the other hand, they're installing CCTVs in pubs, and every town has its own surveillance cameras. I'd rather live with armed people than have the government watching every street corner and every bar.


CR