Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

[Jolt]

CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?

[Strike For The South]

CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?

The zombies aint gonna kill themselves.

[Devastatin Dave]

CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?

Because I have a small penis of course...

[Lemur]

It's not small, Dave, it's concentrated goodness. I thought we agreed that was how we would refer to it ...

[Major Robert Dump]

Why does it have to be about need?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Because some people don't think through their arguments.

Jolt, do you need the internet?

[Major Robert Dump]

I thought there was a life long ban on gun threads anyway. Didn't something crazy happen back in 2000, like a bunch of Welsh TW players broke into Gregoshi's house and made inflammatory posts in the now-defunct Org gardening section which made Idaho mad and threaten to kill himself? Or am I getting things mixed up?

[Ronin]

Jolt, do you need the internet?

Personally I do not NEED the internet.....to follow through on what you are trying to get at here...I´ll say right here than when people start using the internet to blow other people´s heads off I´ll accept the need to make the internet use heavily regulated like guns should be.

whoever since I can´t violently kill my neighbour using my Internet connection I´d say that the parallel you are trying to create doesn´t really apply.

[Major Robert Dump]

You've obviously never used AOL

[Sasaki Kojiro]

whoever since I can´t violently kill my neighbour using my Internet connection I´d say that the parallel you are trying to create doesn´t really apply.

Mom: Girl killed herself over online hoax

edit: South Korean man dies after Starcraft marathon

Do you need video games Ronin?

[Jolt]

Jolt, do you need the internet?

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

[Major Robert Dump]

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

They do add to the protection of people, both implied and literal, but you don't hear that from most of the media the US exports. Maybe in your country, firearms wouldn't help. We live in different places.

Gun control works fairly well in countries that have not allowed firearms for a very long time. Constitution aside, it won't work here. There are too many guns, there is too much crime, and we have a fairly open immigration and legal system which does well at protecting peoples rights but nonetheless slows justice down to a snails pace sometimes and makes it very easy for people to move around the country to avoid prosecution and target new victims.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but this is from ABCs 20/20 from 2007. I don't like the packaging of the story, but considering its coming from what many consider to be a liberal network maybe somebody listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YT...eature=related

This violent opposition to firearms regulation is just as furious on the other side, where people lie their heads off or use personal tragedies as a catalyst for regulation. Even the leadership if DC -- in the wake of a city who clearly expressed they wanted their guns back -- refused to acknowledge facts, smothered people with hyperbole, accused them of fraud, muzzled peoples opinions and laid out the typical "I know whats best for you" that career politicians are so good at. It took the highest court in the nation to give back what the city had been asking for for years.

The "assault weapons ban" is just feel-good legislation that will do nothing but punish people who have been obeying the law all along, and every step taken is a step gained towards a complete agenda. I don't particularly want to sit through a 20 year period of the literal urban warfare that would ensue between criminals and victims for the long term grand noble cause of a gun free society.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

"Advancing your personal life" isn't worth the viruses, identity theft, hackers breaking into government systems, and the proliferation of child pornography.

You don't need access to the internet; a select, trained few from the government can handle the needs of society with internet access for them alone.

Unless you really like the proliferation of child pornography? You don't want that, do you?

[Crazed Rabbit]

CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?

Why does it have to be about need?

It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

It is my right.

I thought there was a life long ban on gun threads anyway. Didn't something crazy happen back in 2000, like a bunch of Welsh TW players broke into Gregoshi's house and made inflammatory posts in the now-defunct Org gardening section which made Idaho mad and threaten to kill himself? Or am I getting things mixed up?

It happened before I joined, or entered the backroom (there was a time when I spent most of my time on the MTW forums!), but I heard a gun debate caused a bunch of people to get their ideological friends to register and start some sort of super-flamming debate. And that was what made them put in the junior member bit.

CR
also I've been playing a lot of left for dead lately...

[Jolt]

It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

It is my right.

From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.

Right, and we can extrapolate from your point of view that you want to ban video games and the internet

Everything you've said was already answered in this thread. Check Seamus's posts and you'll find and answer to this question.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.

Where did it go, where did it go, come on, where is it...





Oh, yes. Found it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Jolt]

Where did it go, where did it go, come on, where is it...





Oh, yes. Found it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hehe.

[Ronin]

It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

It is my right.
CR

It could be argued that it is also the right of those who are against gun ownership to feel free to walk out of their houses and walk down the street without having to worry if each person they walk past is packing.

I mean....what kind of society does it produce when I have to worry what I say some guy if I get in an argument at work....because he might get pissed enough to pull out a gun?
I wonder how a supervisor in the US post office feels every time he needs to give a negative job evaluation to one of the employees in his charge.....does he get his affairs in order before doing so?

And if some moron cuts me off in traffic do I dare have a moment of unconsidered emotion and give him the finger?....what if he has a gun in his glove compartment?

Is a society where you have to walk on eggshells around your fellow citizens a free one?

[Lemur]

And if some moron cuts me off in traffic do I dare have a moment of unconsidered emotion and give him the finger?....what if he has a gun in his glove compartment?

Actually, a car is considerably more dangerous than a gun. Think about it.

I don't see why guns change the equation so very much. Do you worry about a co-worker punching you? He could take that pen in his hand and stab you in the neck. Is that a serious concern? Just because guns make lethal violence easier doesn't mean they make it more likely.

[Ronin]

Actually, a car is considerably more dangerous than a gun. Think about it.

I don't see why guns change the equation so very much. Do you worry about a co-worker punching you? He could take that pen in his hand and stab you in the neck. Is that a serious concern? Just because guns make lethal violence easier doesn't mean they make it more likely.

No...I don´t worry about someone punching me....

....maybe I´m wrong but I don´t see numerous reports about people being stabbed by pens....but I´ll keep and eye out for that.

guns make lethal violence a LOT easier...and therefore more probable to be attempted (and more important to be successful) in a moment of ill-considered anger....I believe there is ample examples to prove this. to say nothing of the lone nut who actually plans it out before coming in to the office and blowing everyone's brains out.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

On the contrary, an angry person would be more likely to think twice if he had a more lethal weapon available. Simply throwing a punch is easy - the victim is not likely to be seriously injured. Drawing a handgun, on the other hand, is not only likely to cause the perpetrator to think twice - it is also very rare.

[Ronin]

On the contrary, an angry person would be more likely to think twice if he had a more lethal weapon available. Simply throwing a punch is easy - the victim is not likely to be seriously injured. Drawing a handgun, on the other hand, is not only likely to cause the perpetrator to think twice - it is also very rare.

So if for example you are in a bar and some drunken fool tries to start a fight with you..you would rather him have a gun than not?

I would rather he had no gun and tried to take a swing at me.....I´m not so sure a person in such a condition would "think twice" before pulling a gun.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I mean....what kind of society does it produce when I have to worry what I say some guy if I get in an argument at work....because he might get pissed enough to pull out a gun?

A polite one.