Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

[Devastatin Dave]

CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?

Because I have a small penis of course...

[Lemur]

It's not small, Dave, it's concentrated goodness. I thought we agreed that was how we would refer to it ...

[Major Robert Dump]

Why does it have to be about need?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Because some people don't think through their arguments.

Jolt, do you need the internet?

[Major Robert Dump]

I thought there was a life long ban on gun threads anyway. Didn't something crazy happen back in 2000, like a bunch of Welsh TW players broke into Gregoshi's house and made inflammatory posts in the now-defunct Org gardening section which made Idaho mad and threaten to kill himself? Or am I getting things mixed up?

[Ronin]

Jolt, do you need the internet?

Personally I do not NEED the internet.....to follow through on what you are trying to get at here...I´ll say right here than when people start using the internet to blow other people´s heads off I´ll accept the need to make the internet use heavily regulated like guns should be.

whoever since I can´t violently kill my neighbour using my Internet connection I´d say that the parallel you are trying to create doesn´t really apply.

[Major Robert Dump]

You've obviously never used AOL

[Sasaki Kojiro]

whoever since I can´t violently kill my neighbour using my Internet connection I´d say that the parallel you are trying to create doesn´t really apply.

Mom: Girl killed herself over online hoax

edit: South Korean man dies after Starcraft marathon

Do you need video games Ronin?

[Ronin]

Mom: Girl killed herself over online hoax

edit: South Korean man dies after Starcraft marathon

Do you need video games Ronin?

That girl killed herself because a malisious rumour was launched about her.........peer pressure and meaness can do that, and it exists with or without the use of an internet connection, unless that mother actually got on her computer and hit a command that said "kill girl X" I can not see how you can say that girl was killed by the internet.....so the parallel with guns does not stand.


as for the guy that died from playing videogames......any person that engages in a draining activity for 50 straight hours is an idiot...

and yes....I would be all for outlawing stupidity....because that´s the bigger killer of them all.....unfortunately I think that if we outlaw stupidity we are gonna run out of jail space very quickly.

[Jolt]

Jolt, do you need the internet?

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

[Major Robert Dump]

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

They do add to the protection of people, both implied and literal, but you don't hear that from most of the media the US exports. Maybe in your country, firearms wouldn't help. We live in different places.

Gun control works fairly well in countries that have not allowed firearms for a very long time. Constitution aside, it won't work here. There are too many guns, there is too much crime, and we have a fairly open immigration and legal system which does well at protecting peoples rights but nonetheless slows justice down to a snails pace sometimes and makes it very easy for people to move around the country to avoid prosecution and target new victims.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but this is from ABCs 20/20 from 2007. I don't like the packaging of the story, but considering its coming from what many consider to be a liberal network maybe somebody listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YT...eature=related

This violent opposition to firearms regulation is just as furious on the other side, where people lie their heads off or use personal tragedies as a catalyst for regulation. Even the leadership if DC -- in the wake of a city who clearly expressed they wanted their guns back -- refused to acknowledge facts, smothered people with hyperbole, accused them of fraud, muzzled peoples opinions and laid out the typical "I know whats best for you" that career politicians are so good at. It took the highest court in the nation to give back what the city had been asking for for years.

The "assault weapons ban" is just feel-good legislation that will do nothing but punish people who have been obeying the law all along, and every step taken is a step gained towards a complete agenda. I don't particularly want to sit through a 20 year period of the literal urban warfare that would ensue between criminals and victims for the long term grand noble cause of a gun free society.

[Lemur]

Let's keep this in perspective. I haven't heard any Congressional leaders calling for a return to the Assault Weapons Ban. I haven't heard the President call for it. So far it's just the AG shooting off his mouth in an interview.

AGs have been known to say stupid things.

Alberto Gonzales said a lot of dumb things. John Ashcroft said a lot of dumb things. Janet Reno said a lot of dumb things. Edwin Meese couldn't get through a day without saying something abysmally stupid.

Until I see real action, I'm not going to start hoarding 17-round Glock magazines. Neither should you.

[Husar]

There are too many guns, there is too much crime, and we have a fairly open immigration and legal system which does well at protecting peoples rights but nonetheless slows justice down to a snails pace sometimes and makes it very easy for people to move around the country to avoid prosecution and target new victims.

Now that is something like the answer I was looking for.

Maybe the problem isn't really gun control and someone should open a thread about how to improve your legal system to become faster etc.
at least that would be constructive criticism and not just "No we need gunz to shoot immigrantz and because we like to do that and why not!".

[Crazed Rabbit]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but this is from ABCs 20/20 from 2007. I don't like the packaging of the story, but considering its coming from what many consider to be a liberal network maybe somebody listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YT...eature=related

That's because John Stossel is awesome.

CR

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I am making a simple question, to see if I can understand the rationale of violent opposition to banning firearms which frankly, don't add up to the protection of anyone.

As to your question, yes I need the internet as a concentrated source of information which I primarily use to the advancement of my personal life. Furthermore I need to internet as a tool to coordinate my country so my personal needs (And the needs of the society) are better fulfilled.

"Advancing your personal life" isn't worth the viruses, identity theft, hackers breaking into government systems, and the proliferation of child pornography.

You don't need access to the internet; a select, trained few from the government can handle the needs of society with internet access for them alone.

Unless you really like the proliferation of child pornography? You don't want that, do you?

[Jolt]

"Advancing your personal life" isn't worth the viruses, identity theft, hackers breaking into government systems, and the proliferation of child pornography.

Yes, I do need the internet despite those problems simply because those problems are to be dealt with by the government (Except for the viruses). If the Internet was banned, there wouldn't be a replacement. If Assault Rifles were banned...bleh, you still had ordinary firearms, pistols and shotguns to defend yourself. That is why my question went unanswered, because people don't need Assault Rifles in any scenario.

You don't need access to the internet; a select, trained few from the government can handle the needs of society with internet access for them alone.

The "few" can't handle the scope and size of what the Internet has become, otherwise the virtual flux of information would drop from 9999999999999999999999 to 100. Internet has become an integral part of every developed society in the world. Halting it would lead to a gigantic recession due to interdependency bonds being cut off all the sudden. Assault Rifles aren't an integral part of any society that I know of (Unless you talk about Somalia).

Unless you really like the proliferation of child pornography? You don't want that, do you?

One side - Child pornography = Other side - World Economy
One side - Assault Rifles = Other side - Pistols & Shotguns

Yeap, seems like they are too similar.