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    Default Demo units

    Not sure if this has been posted here. I just saw this at the official forum.
    These are FULL Unit Stats, Upkeep Costs, and Details for EACH Playable Unit in the Demo (3RD UPDATE: NOW WITH SPANISH UNITS).

    http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/42991

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    Good stuff . Thanks for the post.


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    Default Re: Demo units

    I read some of the comments and laughed.

    I'm suprised to see that 6-pounders have a whopping 30 firepower, and the 24-pounders to have 1400. What

    I'm also suprised to see that the upkeep for a first-rate is only 400. RTW all over again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Very Super Market View Post

    I'm suprised to see that 6-pounders have a whopping 30 firepower, and the 24-pounders to have 1400. What

    You sure? I thought it was more like 126 or 168 for the 24 pounders.

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    Well it is a demo, I dont realy think CA felt they had to ensure a realistic price tag on the units cost for what is essentially the Beta version of the battles.
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    Wow.

    Long Riflemen: Range 125, Accuracy 60, Melee Attack 12, Defence 8, Cost 590, Upkeep 230.

    British Line Infantry: Range 70, Accuracy 45, Melee Attack 10, Defense 15,, Cost 760, Upkeep 300.

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    Wait doesn't that mean the upkeep for Line infantry is only slightly less than that for a First rate ship crewed by over a thousand men? CA said fleets would be expensive!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Beane View Post
    Wait doesn't that mean the upkeep for Line infantry is only slightly less than that for a First rate ship crewed by over a thousand men? CA said fleets would be expensive!
    Come on now, you can't charge upkeep if your in the middle of an ocean can you!? supplies would cost alot so i expect recruitment cost to be very high (which it is) but im content with the upkeep, and more think its the infantry that need to be cheaper, not the boats that need to be more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777Ares777 View Post
    Come on now, you can't charge upkeep if your in the middle of an ocean can you!? supplies would cost alot so i expect recruitment cost to be very high (which it is) but im content with the upkeep, and more think its the infantry that need to be cheaper, not the boats that need to be more expensive.
    I don't mind how its done so lang as boats are more expensive. If i remember correctly Britian could only aFford a certain amount of First raters and nearly bankrupted themselves trying to build more.

    H.M.S Victory cost £50,000,000 to build. That is a fantastic amount of money and CA had better represent it in game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Beane View Post
    H.M.S Victory cost £50,000,000 to build. That is a fantastic amount of money and CA had better represent it in game.
    Her actual construction cost was around £63,000 and that was rather high because of several delays.

    A full sized British infantry regiment of 1,000 men and based purely on daily pay for privates in late 18th century (not worrying about NCO and officer pay) would be more than £12,000 a year.

    If we think of a unit in ETW as a regiment then the costs are not that much off. Scaling issues and hardware requirements means we should not worry about 1:1 scale between land and naval combat.


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    The strength of light infantry is their accuracy, using rifled barrels at the sacrifice of rate of fire... So how is their reloading skill better than that of line infantry (30 vs 25)? You cannot reload rifled barrels faster than smooth bores. Is this a mistake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeSting View Post
    The strength of light infantry is their accuracy, using rifled barrels at the sacrifice of rate of fire... So how is their reloading skill better than that of line infantry (30 vs 25)? You cannot reload rifled barrels faster than smooth bores. Is this a mistake?
    I noticed that in the Light Infantry description text it says they are using smoothbore muskets, not rifles. Not all Lights were armed with rifles. The Long Rifle Men have a slower Reload of 10.

    Curiously so do the Light Dragoons - who are using short smoothbore muskets. I realise reloading when mounted would be slower than reloading on foot, but there's only one stat. Is there any difference in-game (my laptop can't handle the demo)? Their Melee stats are better than Hussars, but what about when they're dismounted? Hussars seem to be redundant, especially as you get 50% more Dragoons for similar money who can also shoot. If they use the same Melee stats on foot they'll annihilate Light Infantry in a dismounted melee.

    No____Rg__Ac___RL__Am_____MA__CB__DF__Mr______RC____UC

    80____70__45___25___10_____10___5__15__10______760___300____Line Infantry
    80____70__40___20___10______8___4__12___7______650___260____Hessian Line Infantry
    80____70__50___35___10_____13___6__17__14______900___360____Guards
    80____70__50___30___10_____13___8__13__14______880___350____Highland Infantry
    45____70__50___30___10_____12___7__17__12______660___260____Grenadiers
    45____80__55___30___15______5___3___6___7______450___180____Light Infantry
    80___125__60___10___15_____12___4___8___8______590___230____Long Rifle Men
    45____70__45___10___15_____11___7___6__10______720___340____Light Dragoon
    30_________________________11___7___6___8______690___330____Hussar

    No Number of men

    Rg Range
    Ac Accuracy
    RL Reload
    Am Ammunition

    MA Melee Attack
    CB Charge Bonus
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    RC Recruitment Cost
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    Default Re: Demo units

    I was going to rant about Grenadiers being too cheap, but then realized that they only 45 men...
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    Some thoughts:


    A) Ships are too cheap. A 2nd class Ship of the line having less upkeep than an infantry unit? Two 6th rate ships costing less than a single line infantry? (2x 140 vs = 1x 300)

    B) There should be more spread in land unit prices between between regular and elite units. If the elite units are noticable more expensive, it brings up an interesting gameplay choice: "Do I go for class or mass?". At the moment I can't think of many reasons to build a lower quality unit as long as better ones are available for almost the same price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susanna
    B) There should be more spread in land unit prices between between regular and elite units. If the elite units are noticable more expensive, it brings up an interesting gameplay choice: "Do I go for class or mass?". At the moment I can't think of many reasons to build a lower quality unit as long as better ones are available for almost the same price.
    Oh, just go for mass. They're paid to die; it's all they're good for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Beane
    I don't mind how its done so lang as boats are more expensive. If i remember correctly Britian could only aFford a certain amount of First raters and nearly bankrupted themselves trying to build more.

    H.M.S Victory cost £50,000,000 to build. That is a fantastic amount of money and CA had better represent it in game.
    Yeah, the ships are ridiculously cheap...

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