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    Hello makers of Europa Barborum! I am working on a mod of my own that will occur in Greece between 500 and 150 BCE.

    The reason I am coming to you is that I have used a number of your models for the mod. I need your permission to continue with the work on this project.

    PS. I am just wondering, did you manage to give each factiona unique general on the battle map? I mean like, each faction with it's own general referenced to in descr_model_battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old-King_CoalII View Post
    PS. I am just wondering, did you manage to give each factiona unique general on the battle map? I mean like, each faction with it's own general referenced to in descr_model_battle.
    Actually, that is the same question that was bothering me too. I thought generals were tied to culture, not faction. So is EB the proof that they are tied to faction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Actually, that is the same question that was bothering me too. I thought generals were tied to culture, not faction. So is EB the proof that they are tied to faction?
    Look in descr_model_strat.txt, it controls the stratmap models and hence the FM and captain models used.
    Last edited by bobbin; 05-29-2009 at 21:45.


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    ok, this is the same Old_King_Coal as before, I just lost my passand I can't get it back :(

    But anyway, all you need to know is at Rome Total War heaven in the modifications thread. Look for Strategos Total War. (I'd post a link but it won't let me)

    So i take it that i do have permission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_King_Coal View Post
    But anyway, all you need to know is at Rome Total War heaven in the modifications thread. Look for Strategos Total War. (I'd post a link but it won't let me)
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    So i take it that i do have permission?
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    you could make your own campaign map aswell. Shrink it so it doesnt strench so far west and shorten its span north so you have the hellenic influenced areas to the east, and much larger to allow for a lot more strategic movement in Greece. Make sure those Spartans have some boss Corinthian helmets!
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    Default Re: Strategos Total War

    Quote Originally Posted by Old-King_CoalII View Post
    Hello makers of Europa Barborum! I am working on a mod of my own that will occur in Greece between 500 and 150 BCE.
    That's a very long period. Don't want to extinguish your flame of passion of this mod-in-the-making, but are you certain that you will be able to represent (efficiently and accurately) all of these:
    1) The city-states of Hellas
    2) The Persian Wars
    3) The clash between Athens and Sparta
    4) The rise of Thebes
    5) The rise of Macedon
    6) The conquests of Megas Alexandros
    7) The splitting of Alexandros' Empire and forming of entirely new factions
    8) The Diadochi Wars after Alexandros' death
    9) The various civil wars and clashes between factions, as well as the emergence of several new ones
    10) The Galatian campaigns in Greece and forming of a state in Anatolia
    11) The rise of Rome
    12) Many others as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios View Post
    That's a very long period. Don't want to extinguish your flame of passion of this mod-in-the-making, but are you certain that you will be able to represent (efficiently and accurately) all of these:
    1) The city-states of Hellas
    2) The Persian Wars
    3) The clash between Athens and Sparta
    4) The rise of Thebes
    5) The rise of Macedon
    6) The conquests of Megas Alexandros
    7) The splitting of Alexandros' Empire and forming of entirely new factions
    8) The Diadochi Wars after Alexandros' death
    9) The various civil wars and clashes between factions, as well as the emergence of several new ones
    10) The Galatian campaigns in Greece and forming of a state in Anatolia
    11) The rise of Rome
    12) Many others as well
    Maion is definitely right. That is more ambitious than EB. Lot of Reforms there you will have. Either that or it will be inaccurate. I would stop at least before Philip II and Alexander.

    So, my question is, what will be your map scope?
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    I suggest you do the Persian wars and the Peloponnesian wars and maybe the rise of makedon. (maybe not... makedonia blows )
    Last edited by Celtic_Punk; 05-29-2009 at 21:48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk View Post
    I suggest you do the Persian wars and the Peloponnesian wars and maybe the rise of makedon. (maybe not... makedonia blows )
    Says a man with a Casse signature...
    They're quite possibly the worst faction in the game, Saba aside..
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    ok, now that you're done blowing eachother up :P

    I can get to answering these questions...

    @Celtic Punk: ya I am planning on having a big map, it will be proprtionately bigger than the vanilla one so no worries for flexibility in greece. Also, the Spartans will certainly have some corinthina helmets, along with pylos and thracian helmets as well.

    @Maion Maroneios: I have posted a thing to the leader guy, I'll wait for his response

    I'm having a little trouble deciding what to make the regular Spartan Hoplites aka Homoioi look like. I have a number of variations, so I'll take some votes on what to do from u guys.


    ok, first one, (currently implemeted) has a pylos helmet and simple linothorax armor. Perhaps the most historical of the lot, as Spartans could never afford as good armor as other greeks since they were stuck in barracks for their military career.


    Second one, similar to the one in EB. It has a pylos helmet but a muscle cuirass. This is based of an account that the homoioi carried muscle armor given to them from the state. This is less likely because Spata was not a rich state, it would not be likely to have hoplites armed in state-provided armor.


    Third, one of my favorites . it has a Corinthian helmet and wears bronze muscle armor. Unlikely, though good looking I hope we can agree.


    Much like the last except has no black paint on the helmet and has a different shield. The color-scheme on this shield is based of what reenactors and historians usually tend to feature.

    well, what do you think? I cannot include them all

    PS don't just make your decision based on the corinthian helmets. There are plenty of those


    Last edited by Old_King_Coal; 05-30-2009 at 01:48.

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    Nice skinning. Just wondering what is a chicken doing on the shield?

    So many helmets of the same kind.

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    I think that the map should include southern Italy, Sicily, Greece, southern Thrace, Macedon, the Aegean islands and Anatolia.

    Factions can include: Sparta, Athens, Achaean League, Thebes, Aetolian League, Macedon, Eretria, Paeonians, Epirus, Taras, Syracuse, Miletus, Thracians and the Persian Empire (non-playable). You can represent the Persian Invasion by scripting several armies to invade Greece at a specified year and the Carthaginians by periodically spawning armies from Lilibeo.

    As for reforms, you should have two, one representing the lightening of Hoplite equipment during the Peloponnesian War and the other representing the readopting of the full Hoplite panoply.

    Finally, I really think you should cut the time span so that it begins just after the Ionian revolt starts and in the year of Alexander’s the Great accession of the throne.

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    I'M BACK!!!!! YAAAAAYYYYYY....I know, I stupidly failed to maention that I would be gone for three weeks, but I am back now. Sorry for any inconveniances.





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