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    Hmmm...comment on the first page. He may have a good lawsuit if the officer lied, but it looks like it was his lack of driving ability that landed him in jail for months and "ruined" his life.

    Don't know how they do such things in Florida but you'd have to work pretty hard here to rack up driving offenses so as to get your license suspended 5 years.

    "Also, Mr MAy forgot to mention that he sat in jail for three months because the bond for Habitual traffic violator back then was 10k, and he could not get bonded out. Prisoners are not held in jail until test results come back, May just simply could not get bonded out. The police do not auction off cars towed from arrests, the tow company does that. And if you wondering Habitual traffic violator means his driving record was so bad, that his license is suspended for 5 years. Consequently, dirtbags are always looking for a free lunch"

    Also, in the spirit of the thread, another link of officers acting inappropriately (and pretty stupidly, I might add).

    http://news.aol.com/article/midland-...es-in%2F632950

    Interestingly, that story above was deemed important enough to make the first page of the news site I check, but I don't remember seeing this one below. Then again, it's just old enough that I may have forgotten or missed it.

    http://news.aol.com/article/2-okla-s...newsaol_inpage
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    Hmmm...comment on the first page. He may have a good lawsuit if the officer lied, but it looks like it was his lack of driving ability that landed him in jail for months and "ruined" his life.

    Don't know how they do such things in Florida but you'd have to work pretty hard here to rack up driving offenses so as to get your license suspended 5 years.

    "Also, Mr MAy forgot to mention that he sat in jail for three months because the bond for Habitual traffic violator back then was 10k, and he could not get bonded out. Prisoners are not held in jail until test results come back, May just simply could not get bonded out. The police do not auction off cars towed from arrests, the tow company does that. And if you wondering Habitual traffic violator means his driving record was so bad, that his license is suspended for 5 years. Consequently, dirtbags are always looking for a free lunch"

    Also, in the spirit of the thread, another link of officers acting inappropriately (and pretty stupidly, I might add).

    http://news.aol.com/article/midland-...es-in%2F632950

    Interestingly, that story above was deemed important enough to make the first page of the news site I check, but I don't remember seeing this one below. Then again, it's just old enough that I may have forgotten or missed it.

    http://news.aol.com/article/2-okla-s...newsaol_inpage
    Iv gotta say, those 2 links were nowhere near the "spirit of the thread". Iv doubt you read anything but maybe the last page.

    The first link; a hot chick on a car posing with a officer's m4 (I think its a m4, not sure). Big deal, victimless crime and noone really cares.

    2nd one, murder of 2 cops by a guy. Sure, its bad. But nowhere near what this topic has been about.
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    I've read the thread from the very first post. I especially enjoyed the bit about fascism pills.

    I find the thread on the whole to be a rather interesting mix of some apparently real and shocking abuses of power by law enforcement as well as stories that seem either weak on fact checking or deliberately misrepresenting events.

    I posted mainly to mention that a recent link might (I reserve judgment at the moment) be the latter rather than the former. The links I posted were done more on a whim. The former because I thought it was funny (while also being an abuse of the public trust by officers), and the latter because I never saw it on the front page of my news link while the former was, and that made me sad.

    The links are more closely related to the topic of the thread than one would think from their first glance, however. In the first we have officers in a marked car stopping at a restaurant that appears to be similar to Hooters (something that could result in discipline in and of itself due to the marked car), drinking "three to five beers" each, and then handing a waitress a duty weapon that may have been loaded (unless they bothered to empty the magazine beforehand) to pose for a picture.

    At the very least it's a worse abuse than the supposed one in the link posted earlier where a cop was beat in the head with a flashlight and tased the person in response. At the most it's indicative of the attitude some officers get that they can do anything they want and don't have standards to live up to due to their oath, the same attitude that can lead to further and more severe abuses.

    The second link provides a contrast to the almost constantly negative posts in the thread. Reading a thread devoted to one side of a certain subject (in this case, polic abuses) it can be easy to only see that side. It doesn't hurt to remember that these are people who put their lives in danger to keep people safe, and from time to time they pay the ultimate price as a result of fulfilling their duties.

    It also helps to show part of the reason cops can seem to be so paranoid or overreact in the name of safety, a subject that has been brought up in the thread before. The job is dangerous. Sometimes we have some idea ahead of time like this particular story. Sometimes it turns out to be the guy an officer pulls over for not having tail lights who gets out of the car and starts shooting (or does so halfway through what seemed a routine encounter).

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    Iv gotta say, those 2 links were nowhere near the "spirit of the thread". Iv doubt you read anything but maybe the last page.

    The first link; a hot chick on a car posing with a officer's m4 (I think its a m4, not sure). Big deal, victimless crime and noone really cares.

    2nd one, murder of 2 cops by a guy. Sure, its bad. But nowhere near what this topic has been about.
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    A cop lies his pants off - no, wait, he's unlikely to be punished so he's not lying anything off. Anyways, a cop lies strenuously about a man he pulled over who was chewing breath mints. The cop thought the mints the driver was chewing was crack. The cop says his field test kit returned a positive, which is possible, as those things are terribly unreliable. So he arrested the guy and had him put into jail.

    But the cop also said that he say the guy buying crack and that the driver admitted he bought drugs. this jives with the fact that three months after the arrest the substance came back from the lab as certified non-crack.

    But during that time the driver couldn't make bail and had to stay in jail, losing his apartment, his job, and his car, which the police impounded and sold. I wonder if the cop feels bad about that. Since he lied so much, I'm guessing that sort of thing doesn't phase him.

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    KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- A man is suing the Kissimmee Police Department for an arrest over mints. When officers pulled Donald May over for an expired tag, they thought the mints he was chewing were crack and arrested him.

    May told Eyewitness News they wouldn't let him out of jail for three months until tests proved the so-called drugs were candy.

    May said he was just minding his business, driving home from work, when a Kissimmee police officer pulled him over near 192.

    "I don't know how it occurred," he said.

    May was pulled over for an expired tag on his car. When the officer walked up to him, he noticed something white in May's mouth. May said it was breath mints, but the officer thought it was crack cocaine.

    "He took them out of my mouth and put them in a baggy and locked me up [for] possession of cocaine and tampering with evidence," May explained.

    The officer claimed he field-tested the evidence and it tested positive for drugs. The officer said he saw May buying drugs while he was stopped at an intersection. He also stated in his report May waived his Miranda rights and voluntarily admitted to buying drugs.

    May said that never happened.

    "My client never admitted he purchased crack cocaine. Why would he say that?" attorney Adam Sudbury said.

    May was thrown in jail and was unable to bond out for three months. He didn't get out until he received a letter from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the State Attorney's Office that test results showed no drugs were found.

    "While I was sitting in jail I lost my apartment. I lost everything," he said.

    While May was behind bars, the Kissimmee Police Department towed his car and auctioned it off. He lost his job and was evicted. Now May is suing the city for false arrest and false imprisonment. He wants to be compensated for the loss of his car and job.

    May's attorney and the city of Kissimmee discussed a possible settlement last year, but failed to reach an agreement.


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    *audible sigh*

    Clearly he's lying. He has a badge; unlike the poor, innocent victim. Let's just ignore the results of the initial drug test. The cop in question likely has a video of him buying "teh crank."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    *audible sigh*

    Clearly he's lying. He has a badge; unlike the poor, innocent victim. Let's just ignore the results of the initial drug test. The cop in question likely has a video of him buying "teh crank."
    Well, for what it's worth, a little further reading indicated the cop in question no longer works on the force and the victims attorney can't find him to serve him notice of the pending lawsuit.

    May’s attorney said a federal civil suit was filed three months ago against the city. They are looking for Rice, to serve him a summons.

    A police spokeswoman said any comments on lawsuits have to come from the city attorney, but confirmed that Officer Eric Rice no longer works for the Kissimmee Police Department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    *audible sigh*

    Clearly he's lying. He has a badge; unlike the poor, innocent victim. Let's just ignore the results of the initial drug test. The cop in question likely has a video of him buying "teh crank."
    He said he saw the driver buying crack and admitting he had crack. Considering all he had was breath mints, I find that hard to believe.

    I may have been quite wrong about him not being punished, which would be refreshing.

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    A blind man who complained to police about cars parking on a pavement was arrested when he threatened to let down the vehicles' tyres.

    Daniel Duckfield, from Narberth, Pembrokeshire, said he and his guide dog had to walk in the road when paths were blocked by illegally-parked cars.

    He has complained about being cautioned and put in a cell after his arrest.

    Dyfed-Powys Police said it was investigating Mr Duckfield's complaints.

    Mr Duckfield, who became blind in December 1999, claimed police were not doing enough to tackle motorists parking illegally on pavements near his home.

    He said he had repeatedly complained to officers about cars blocking his path when he went out of his house, forcing him and his guide dog to walk on a main road.

    Last week, after phoning officers and feeling he was getting no help, he went a step further.

    He said: "I said all right, if you're not going to do anything I'll do something myself, I'll let the tyres down and I'll write 'no parking' on the windscreen.

    "I went to the door [and] locked the door. By the time I got 50 yards down my street there was a policeman running towards me.

    "He told me he was going to arrest me because I had threatened to let tyres down and threatened to write on windscreens."

    Mr Duckfield said he was taken to a police station and held in a cell before being cautioned.

    He said: "I thought it was absolutely disgusting. I came back here and I sat down and I almost cried but I thought, no, the temper took over me."

    Mr Duckfield said the arrest meant he would no longer be asked to visit schools with his guide dog.

    Dyfed-Powys Police said the force had held a crackdown on illegal parking in Narberth last month.

    A spokesperson added: "It is unfortunate Mr Duckfield decided to take matters into his own hands on this occasion."

    The spokesperson added Mr Duckfield's complaints would be fully investigated.

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    It seems kind of overboard to stick him in a cell for for even a short period for what was most likely just venting. That said, here where I live you could theoretically arrest someone for making a threat like that as opposed to the people committing the parking violations (ticket at most), even though it would seem to show very bad judgment from the info in the article. Apparently that also holds true in the part of Wales this incident took place in.

    What is "parking on a pavement "? Parking on the sidewalk?

    The local police department here does crackdowns on minor traffic and parking violations periodically and all they get for it are tons of complaints (and likely newspaper articles about how they write tickets just to create revenue over petty things). Then if they relax at all or focus more on crimes they get almost as many complaints (and likely newspaper articles about how they don't care about people's safety because they aren't writing tickets for those same "petty" things).

    Sometimes I'm glad my department is so overstretched that the volunteers handle stuff like parking tickets.
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    In Georgia, cops murder a Pastor who wasn't even the target of their drug investigation, but had dropped off a woman suspected of using drugs beforehand. They decide to 'question' him by waiting until he went into a gas station to use the ATM to withdraw money, then speed up to him in a black unmarked pickup as he comes out, then jump out with guns drawn in plain cloths. Naturally, he gets scared at seeing gunmen approaching him, so he backs up quickly, hitting one officer. As he drives away they shoot at him. He died a little while later from bullet wounds. The cops claimed they yelled "Police" which, of course, no criminal is physically able to do. And they did all this shooting right in the center of a gas station - you know, surrounded by huge amounts of explosive liquid.

    He's survived by his pregnant wife.

    Video here.

    They could have avoiding murdering him if they had simply driven up calmly, parked, gotten out without guns in their hands and shown him their badges. But then they couldn't pretend to be cool badasses. And what's a few dead innocents compared to that?

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    JERICHO, Ark. – It was just too much, having to return to court twice on the same day to contest yet another traffic ticket, and Fire Chief Don Payne didn't hesitate to tell the judge what he thought of the police and their speed traps.

    The response from cops? They shot him. Right there in court.
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    It was anger over traffic tickets that brought Payne to city hall last week, said his lawyer, Randy Fishman. After Payne failed to get a traffic ticket dismissed on Aug. 27, police gave Payne or his son another ticket that day. Payne, 39, returned to court to vent his anger to Judge Tonya Alexander, Fishman said.

    It's unclear exactly what happened next, but Martin said an argument between Payne and the seven police officers who attended the hearing apparently escalated to a scuffle, ending when an officer shot Payne from behind.

    Doctors in Memphis, Tenn., removed a .40-caliber bullet from Payne's hip bone, Martin said. Another officer suffered a grazing wound to his finger from the bullet.

    Martin declined to name the officer who shot Payne. It's unclear if the officer has been disciplined.

    Prosecutor Lindsey Fairley said Thursday that he didn't plan to file any felony charges against the officer or Payne. Fairley, reached at his home, said Payne could face a misdemeanor charge stemming from the scuffle, but that would be up to the city's judge. He said he didn't remember the name of the officer who fired the shot.
    So, you shoot an unarmed man in the back and he's the only one even possibly facing charges?

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    Earlier in this thread, a video was posted of a cop interrogating a woman. The cop proceeded to turn the camera off, and when it came back on, the woman was lying on the floor with a pool of blood around her face. (Disturbing picture!)

    The cop was fired, for not administering first aid, but not prosecuted. And guess what?

    He's back on the job!
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    The Shreveport Municipal Fire and Police Civil Service Board's seven members made the ruling Wednesday in the case known nationally for video footage of the handcuffed woman lying in a pool of her blood in a police interrogation room.

    The ruling means Wiley Willis can return to duty once his in-service and firearm requirements are met.

    "He'll get a year and a half of back pay, benefits, retirement, everything," said Michael Carter, president of the Shreveport police officers union. And as far as he knows, Carter added, Willis intends to continue working for the Shreveport Police Department.

    The Civil Service Board ruled that Willis' rights, under the Police Officer Bill of Rights, were violated because an expert failed to record a polygraph examination Willis took as part of the Police Department's investigation into Garbarino's injuries, including a broken nose.


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    That's some disturbing stuff CR, and pretty disheartening from where I stand. I can't say anything about the pastor, except that maybe the plain clothes cops didn't know he was a likely innocent and for some reason chose to stop him without a uniformed officer present (with a marked car),. That said, once he ran one over I can see why the others shot at him, despite the fact that they may have created the unfortunate incident by not having a uniformed officer do the stop (not required but often a good idea).

    The Jericho Police Department was disbanded over that incident if I recall correctly. Creepy stuff but you do see weird things in very small departments in little towns. I don't like it but local government often allows for things you wouldn't see in big cities (not an excuse, just a suggestion that this may be an isolated occurrence. If anything in most cities I'd see giving too much leeway to other department of public safety employees as the problem rather than shooting at them..).

    I have nothing to say to the last post. I can see where it may be overblown, and also where such an incident may be a miscarriage of justice. The polygraph thing seems weird, since most police officers think they're worthless (and the Supreme Court has decided they aren't reliable enough to be used as evidence).
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    All I can say about the cops, the pastor and the gas station is...bravo, bravo

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    A Pittsburgh cop got drunk, then assaulted and shot a random passerby after he left a bar. And he's now back on the job!

    According to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court, Kaleb Miller was walking on Sidney Street on the South Side about 2:10 a.m. on June 28, 2008, when he saw Officer Abel, an off-duty Zone 3 police officer. He had a gun in his hand and was "yelling unintelligibly and was visibly intoxicated."

    The officer, who testified at his trial that he had been assaulted at a stop light when he left a bar that morning, believed Mr. Miller was the person who struck him.

    According to the lawsuit, Officer Abel got into a car, did a U-turn onto 20th Street and stopped 10 feet in front of Mr. Miller. Officer Abel then grabbed Mr. Miller by the shirt and ordered him to the ground, it continued.

    "Defendant Abel then pushed the barrel of his pistol into the left eye and face cheek of plaintiff, at which point plaintiff began to go to the ground as ordered by defendant Abel," the lawsuit said.

    Mr. Abel then began to hit Mr. Miller in the back of the head with the gun, the suit continued. Trying to protect himself, Mr. Miller put his right hand over the back of his head and was shot in the hand.

    "After plaintiff suffered the right hand gunshot wound, he fell to the ground on his right side, at which point plaintiff viewed defendant Abel seated on the sidewalk, twirling his pistol," the complaint said.

    Two uniformed officers arrived and said that Mr. Miller was under arrest. Later, however, after they realized he had not assaulted Officer Abel, he was released and taken to the hospital for treatment.
    Officer Paul G. Abel Jr. was found not guilty of criminal charges -- including aggravated assault -- by Allegheny County Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey Manning in June. He was reinstated to his position through arbitration last week.
    Gee, I wonder what would happen if I got really drunk and hit and shot the first person I saw in the street? And ain't it great to know what kind of men they let stay on the police force?

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    It's difficult to see the rights or wrongs of that story CR, because there isn't much information in the article. Firstly, however, the officer was acquitted. That means he is innocent, and an innocent man should not be punished.

    The judge's reported comments however, indicate that there may have been something to the allegations - although Mr Miller also appears to have a history of complaints.

    But the fact remains, the policeman was acquitted of charges which on first reading, if true, should have had him convicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    It's difficult to see the rights or wrongs of that story CR, because there isn't much information in the article. Firstly, however, the office was acquitted. That means he is innocent, and an innocent man should not be punished.

    The judge's reported comments however, indicate that there may have been something to the allegations - although Mr Miller also appears to have a history of complaints.

    But the fact remains, the policeman was acquitted of charges which on first reading, if true, should have had him convicted.
    Regardless of the facts involved and the specifics of his acquittal on the specific charges.....he was drunk with a gun. That alone should be enough to make him not a cop anymore. You don't take guns into bars.....not anyone, not me not cops not anyone
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    Your tax dollars at work:

    Drug raid lasts nine hours, due in part to cops playing Wii

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    Regardless of the facts involved and the specifics of his acquittal on the specific charges.....he was drunk with a gun. That alone should be enough to make him not a cop anymore. You don't take guns into bars.....not anyone, not me not cops not anyone
    You may have better sources, or I may not have read the article properly, but it is the plaintiff's lawsuit that alleges he was drunk with a gun. It appears the officer was acquitted of this.

    I would agree that if this policeman was in fact drunk with a gun, he should be fired and imprisoned. But not on the basis of a lawsuit - on the basis of a conviction in a court of law because a man is innocent until proven guilty. (Not a concept very popular these days, I'm aware, but still the foundation of Anglo-Saxon law).
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    The officer was acquitted of aggravated assault. It's a fact that the victim was shot, but not charged with anything. Given how bad cops are likely to charge you for resisting arrest if their fist hurts after they punch you in the face, it's a sign of how in the wrong the cop was that the victim didn't get charged.

    Another abuse-in-waiting, though not as bad as many listed here, as a police chief tries to quash online anti-police comments:
    Police ready to 'take on' commenters, chief says
    People who misrepresent themselves as officials in online comments could face civil, criminal penalties, Acevedo says.

    Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo says he and some of his officers have been harassed, lied about and had their identities falsely used in online blogs and in reader comment sections on local media Internet sites.

    They've had enough.

    In a meeting this month with department brass, Acevedo and the group discussed how they think such posts erode public trust in the department and how they have been wrongly maligned.

    They have since researched their legal options and decided that from now on, they might launch formal investigations into such posts, Acevedo said. He said investigators might seek search warrants or subpoenas from judges to learn the identities of the authors — he thinks some could be department employees — and possibly sue them for libel or file charges if investigators think a crime was committed.

    "A lot of my people feel it is time to take these people on," Acevedo said. "They understand the damage to the organization, and quite frankly, when people are willfully misleading and lying, they are pretty much cowards anyway because they are doing so under the cloak of anonymity."

    The effort to crack down on potentially illegal statements or comments that are possibly libelous — those published with the goal of defaming a person — is the second time in recent months that the department has confronted new social media.
    It's the comments that are priceless, though;
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    i think the police should taser and gas every person who does not bow down and submit to their will. i mean just tear gas them into submission. the scum do not deserve an opinion. all heil the great Art Avacado. May he control Austin first, then Texas..soon all of america shall worship him. Avacado! Avacado! I can hear the chants now. You could become..a god
    Quote Originally Posted by Art.Acevedo
    I didn't really mean any of that stuff up there in the article. I was just a little worked up. After I went and got my daily oil massage down at the gay bath house, I felt a lot better. Now I realize that people have a 1st Amendment right to criticize public figures and that satire is a protected form of speech. My lawyer also told me that if I ever attempted to prosecute someone for libel I would be hard pressed to find any damages since I have no reputation to ruin. He said if I would be laughed out of court for filing a claim against satirists. (Kind of like Tina Fey posing as Sarah Palin isn't something that Palin can sue for).
    And even one for Lemur:
    Quote Originally Posted by simkatu
    Why isn't Art Acevedo denying the rumor that he likes to attend a gay bath house and get oil massages by other men? Also, why won't he deny the claim I've heard that he helped Glenn Beck avoid being charged for the rape and murder of a young woman back in 1990? I mean at first I didn't believe those claims, but since Art won't deny them, it is really starting to look bad for him and likely rapist Glenn Beck. What is Art trying to hide?
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    Of course, if our US colleagues despair of police that are too keen, they might wish to reflect on the inestimable joys of police that are not remotely interested in crime. Trying to get a British copper to do anything but paperwork (or occasionally execute innocent Brazilian commuters for a diversion) is, sadly, a lost art.

    Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, said the tragedy highlighted the widespread failure of the Government’s policy on tackling anti-social behaviour.

    He pointed to the “shocking” claim by a senior officer who gave evidence at the inquest that it was no longer the police’s responsibility to deal with “low level” hooliganism and abuse.

    ...

    A gang of 16 youths regularly congregated outside their home in Barwell, Leics, to hurl missiles at the house, shout verbal abuse and urinate on the walls. Miss Pilkington’s son, Anthony, 19, was held at knifepoint and locked in a shed by the gang. Despite her repeated pleas to police and the council, Miss Pilkington was told there was little the authorities could do to prosecute the gang. Unable to carry on, she killed herself and her daughter by setting fire to their Austin Maestro in October 2007. Yesterday, as an inquest jury returned verdicts of suicide and unlawful killing, the jurors at Loughborough Town Hall decided that the police’s failure to respond to the family’s pleas for help contributed to their deaths.

    Somehow, the thought of SWAT teams bursting into these little thugs' squalid home and gunning them down like dogs has a certain appeal.
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    Oh the coppers in the UK gave up catching villians long ago. 'Elf and safety. They don't persue miscreants in case the little dear trips over and grazes his knee. Then the full weight of 'elf and safety and 'uman rights comes into play. Forget about them chasing the toerag who's just pinched your shiny bright new motorbike, because he won't be wearing a helmet and the little mis-understood sweetie might possibly fall off and sue you, the police, the council and the highways agency.

    Somewhere back in this thread is an account of the experience I had last summer with the rozzers. The one where I was threatened with arrest because I was going to take a photo of the troglodytes who were throwing bricks at my wifes head. How very dare I stand up for myself.

    Drive down the street at 31 MPH in a 30 MPH zone though and you will get a ticket and 3 penalty points on your licence. Do you smoke? Well if you do, don't you dare light up in a pub. If you do you will be fined, on the spot. And don't think you can get away with discarding your fag 'cos if you do you will be fined for littering, on the spot.

    Fancy taking the neighbours kids to the local baths? Oh no you don't. You need to be 'processed' to make sure your not a pedo, 'cos let's face it, they're everywhere. If you do not comply, you will be fined and possibly imprisoned. Never mind then, we won't go to the baths, we'll stay at home and bake some cakes. Oh no you don't. If you do you will need to undergo government training, costs hundreds of pounds but if you do not obey, you will be fined for being an illegal childminder.

    Still all is not lost. You can employ an illegal immigrant and get away with it. But only if your a member of the government. If you're not, then you will be fined and possibly sent to gaol.

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    Now that the thread has turned into self-flagellation mode...


    Don't forget that the French police operates differently. There is police, and there is gendarmerie. The first are what people from civilized countries expect they are. The latter are a bit more peculiar.

    The police are part of the ministry of the interior. The gendarmerie however are part of the ministry of defense. However, they do have police authority over ninety percent of the country and half the population. But...they are an army. 125,000 of them, many of which permanently reside in military barracks. Regiments are moved back and forth between war zones in Africa and Bosnia to police functioning in French suburbs.
    (Or is that policing in Bosnia and war zones in Africa and Paris suburbs?)

    The use of the military to perform policing functions over a civilian population is a semi-fascist peculiarity that is common in Latin countries.
    (Spain's dreaded Guardia Civil - forever in civil war with the civilian population.
    The outright fascist Latin American military police, where there is not a single police training school or barracks without a cellar underneath it that in recent history served as a torture centre for the amusement of the military police)


    At long last, in the past two decades the gendarmerie has been and is being tamed. However, I'll still take those British bobbies any time of the week.
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    Canada also has a Gendarmerie. Le Gendarmerie royale du Canada, or Royal Canadian Mounted Police. It has the status of a Dragoon regiment in the army.
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    Canada also has a Gendarmerie. Le Gendarmerie royale du Canada, or Royal Canadian Mounted Police. It has the status of a Dragoon regiment in the army.
    Do they have a garrison bonus?


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    Only in the province they were raised.
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    Remember the Oklahoma State Trooper who pulled over an ambulance with a patient because they didn't yield fast enough and he has a rage problem? And he then proceeded to choke the EMT after finding out about the patient? And then he only got a paid vacation for a week?

    Well badge number 606, Daniel Martin, is again in the news after hitting a man with a baton during a traffic stop because:
    James said Douglas was arrested and the officers had to use force because they felt he was getting hostile.

    "He had his teeth clenched as if he was going to do something," the attorney quoted his client as saying.
    Clenched teeth! Goodness! That criminal is lucky he escaped with only a beating. And did I mention the person beaten and arrested wasn't the driver or even in the car that had allegedly run a stop sign. He was trying to walk past the car the police had pulled over into a driveway to the house, and charged with obstructing an officer.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    HOLDENVILLE — A state trooper suspended in July following a scuffle with a paramedic is again the focus of an internal investigation by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

    Trooper Daniel Martin was put on paid administrative leave after an arrest Saturday in which a Holdenville man claimed he was assaulted by troopers for no apparent reason.

    Martin was suspended without pay for five days in July as a result of a widely publicized scuffle he had with a Creek Nation paramedic at Paden on May 24.

    Parts of the scuffle were captured on video taken at the scene and from the dashboard camera in the trooper's car.

    In addition to being suspended, Martin was ordered to undergo anger-management assessment.

    In Saturday's incident, Martin was the backup officer for Trooper Tommy Allen, who was also placed on paid administrative leave over the Holdenville arrest. Holdenville is in Hughes County, about 90 miles south of Tulsa.

    Capt. Chris West, spokesman for the OHP, said Monday a complaint was filed Sunday in connection with the Holdenville arrest a day earlier.

    The two troopers were placed on administrative leave based on the complaint and the fact Martin was involved in another high-profile case, West said.

    West, noting that
    the case is being investigated by the OHP's internal affairs unit, would not comment on the details, except to say that an individual was arrested for obstructing an officer at a traffic stop of another man for a stop-sign violation.

    The arrested man has been identified as Kristopher Douglas, 28, who was taken by the troopers to the Hughes County Jail.

    Witness account
    Jerry Ford, who lives in the house where the arrest occurred, said Douglas was walking to his house to help him with drywall when the troopers jumped Douglas, put him in a chokehold and hit him with a baton. He said the incident occurred in his front yard.

    Ford said the motorist who allegedly ran the stop sign, Luke Carson, also was coming to his house to help him with drywall.

    According to Ford, Carson pulled into his driveway about 7 p.m., and behind him were the two troopers, Allen followed by Martin.

    Ford said Douglas, who was not involved in the traffic stop, was trying to get to Ford's house, but the officers kept insisting that he stand by the street.

    Suddenly, Allen grabbed Douglas' arm and put him in a chokehold and Martin pulled out a retractable baton and struck him in the back, Ford said.

    "I came out and asked what was going on," Ford said. "Martin comes up in a fast walk, screaming he's going to put me in jail."

    "All I asked was that they take it to the street, that they were upsetting my two kids," Ford said.

    Ford said he bailed Douglas out of jail about 90 minutes after the arrest. They tried to file a complaint with OHP that night, but were told they would have to wait until Monday, he said.

    Ford said they contacted an Oklahoma City television station on Sunday to report the matter.

    Ford said neither he nor Douglas knew the names of the troopers, but they remembered badge No. 606 and reported that to the TV reporter, who recognized it as being Martin's.

    Once that story aired Sunday night, Douglas said he received a call "inside of 10 minutes" from the OHP, telling them that he could file the complaint, which he did verbally Sunday night. Ford said a written complaint will also be filed.

    Ford said he was surprised to learn that Martin was the same trooper involved in the scuffle with the paramedic.

    "Anyone in the United States of America would get run off his job," Ford said. "He (Martin) gets a paid vacation. I don't want to run down the police, but we sure need someone to monitor the police, but no one is above the Highway Patrol.

    "It's like now, nothing would have been done had it not been for the media coverage," Ford said.

    The Tulsa World has filed a formal request under the Oklahoma Open Records Act for release of the troopers' incident reports, a copy of the complaint and release of dashboard videotapes from the troopers' cars. None was released Monday.

    Trooper's version
    Gary James, an Oklahoma City attorney who represents Martin, said his client will be exonerated once the tapes from Martin's dashboard camera are released.

    James said he talked with Martin, who told him that Douglas tried to walk through the traffic stop several times and wouldn't heed their commands to stand by the street.

    James said Douglas was arrested and the officers had to use force because they felt he was getting hostile.

    "He had his teeth clenched as if he was going to do something," the attorney quoted his client as saying.

    James said Douglas could be heard in the squad car saying he was sorry and should have heeded the troopers' command.

    Records show that in addition to several traffic tickets, Douglas has 2004 felony drug conviction out of Oklahoma County, for which he received a nearly five-year suspended sentence.

    Lawyer speaks
    Richard O'Carroll, a Tulsa attorney representing Douglas, backed Ford's version of the events. O'Carroll is also the attorney for Maurice White Jr., the paramedic involved in the scuffle with Martin in May.

    That incident was sparked when Martin claimed the ambulance crew, which was taking a woman to the hospital, gave him an obscene finger gesture as their vehicles passed.

    O'Carroll has already filed a federal lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Muskogee against the state for that incident.

    Reacting to the latest case involving Martin, O'Carroll said of the Highway Patrol: "This was predictable and outrageous. They've protected, indulged and endorsed this dangerous law-enforcement officer."


    That's right; the guy was trying to walk past the cops. But they don't want him walking there, and say he's acting nervous or something, so they beat him and arrest him. Gee, I wonder why he was nervous. Maybe because the cop is a frickin' psychopath.


    Oh, he's another stunner (with video):

    This cop was stationed in a school. These cops are generally around to keep the peace, act as a liaison, simple stuff. And this is a special education school, where kids with learning disabilities are supposed to get help.

    So we have one fifteen year old boy who's at the school and doesn't have his shirt tucked in. This cop sees it and starts yelling and swearing at him. The kid starts tucking his shirt in as he continues walking down the hallway.

    That's not good enough for the cop, who shoves the kid into the wall, punches him, throws him, face first, on the floor, and continues punching him. In the end the kid has his face bruised and his nose broken.

    BY A COP SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING HIM.
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    DOLTON, Ill. (CBS) ―

    [Click to zoom.]
    A 15-year-old student was walking down a hallway at school when he says a police officer grabbed him and threw him to the ground. But that's not all. The teenager says he was beaten and nearly suffocated. He told his story to CBS station WBBM-TV in Chicago.

    Security cameras captured the beating of a 15-year-old Special Education student by a police officer. Marshawn Pitts says the officer started shouting and swearing at him because his shirt wasn't tucked in.

    "I was tucking my shirt in," Pitts said.

    But it's what happened next that had Marshawn Pitts worried for his life. Pitts says the officer came at him suddenly.

    "It was just like boom," Pitts said.

    He says he was blindsided by the officer, thrown into lockers and struck repeatedly.

    In the video, you can see that he gets slammed to the ground and his face smashed into the floor. His nose was broken.

    Pitts says he was bleeding.

    "All this on the outside of my mouth was busted," he said.

    He calls this treatment violent and unnecessary, especially considering he was attending the Academy for Learning High School in Dolton for students like him with Special Education needs.

    When he was younger, he suffered a brain injury and now has a learning disability.

    The school for special needs was supposed to help him and understand his situation.

    "Yeah, but instead I got beaten on by police," Pitts said.

    Ed Manzke is Pitts' attorney.

    "The officer was in his face because he didn't have his shirt tucked in," Manzke said. "That's the officer put in that school to protect these kids, and instead of doing that, this officer is literally assaulting this kid."

    The officer in question was a Dolton police officer, and the hold he used on Pitts can be a dangerous one.

    Zena Naiditch of Equip for Equality, a legal advocacy group that fights for the rights of people with disabilities, looked at the video and said the type of physical restraint used by the officer has killed students.

    "It's called a face-down take-down, and kids and adults often die because they can't breathe," Naiditch said.

    A Government Accounting Office report released in May, just one day before the officer's use of the hold on Pitts, found face-down take-downs led to at least 20 deaths nationwide.

    Currently eight states prohibit the use of this hold. Illinois is not one of them.

    "So we don't actually know how common these incidents are, and that's outrageous," Naiditch said.

    Pitts says he was terrified and begged the officer to stop.

    "I couldn't breathe,'" Pitts said. "I was like, 'let me up.'"

    Naiditch says it shouldn't have happened.

    "He's getting a beating, and he's getting a beating on an issue that has nothing to do with danger, it has to do with dress code," Naiditch said.

    No one from the Academy of Learning in Dolton would talk to WBBM-TV about the alleged abuse.

    The Dolton Police Department and the Mayor of Dolton did not return phone calls.

    Marshawn Pitts's attorney Ed Manzke says he has transferred to another school and is planning to file a lawsuit.

    The State Board of Education says no one from the school reported the use of forceful restraint to them.

    And in that article, the PD didn't return any phone calls. I wonder why...

    Perhaps it's because the cop in question, Christopher Lloyd, shot his ex-wife's husband to death in front of the husband's home back in February 2008. A police investigation found it was in self defense. An autopsy found the husband had been shot 24 times. As in, there weren't 24 bullets shot, but 24 bullets entered the victim, who, if we trust the Chicago police because we are raging morons, attacked an armed cop outside his own home.

    And so Lloyd faced the harsh penalty of being fired before finding work in Dolton as a police officer.

    BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

    The reason the PD didn't return those phone calls may have been because....
    The cop was in jail for raping a woman.

    Yes, that's right. He held a pillow over her head and threatened her with a knife.

    It appears the rape charge may finally be the one that lands him in prison. I guess it's hard to claim raping a woman was necessary because she was 'resisting arrest'. But I'm sure top union officials are working on that now, seeing as how the police defending murder and assault before.

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    I'm not buying the "he was shot this many times" argument so much anymore, after having witnessed police training, Officers are trained to keep firing until there aren't any bullets left to fire. However, having that said, the rest of the case is suspicious at best, heinous at worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi View Post
    I'm not buying the "he was shot this many times" argument so much anymore, after having witnessed police training, Officers are trained to keep firing until there aren't any bullets left to fire. However, having that said, the rest of the case is suspicious at best, heinous at worst.
    What kind of weapon did he use then? I don't know of any pistol with a 24+ round magazine. I don't really see the use of firing 9 or 12 rounds into someone and then pumping another one or two magazines into their dead body, what kind of police training is that?


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    Scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi View Post
    I'm not buying the "he was shot this many times" argument so much anymore, after having witnessed police training, Officers are trained to keep firing until there aren't any bullets left to fire. However, having that said, the rest of the case is suspicious at best, heinous at worst.
    What Husar said. 24 bullets into the guy likely means at least two magazines, as they are few 24 round plus magazines, and even fewer used by police. Two magazines means the cop shot the guy multiple times, then reloaded and continued shooting.

    And those are just the bullets that hit the guy; it's likely some missed, unless the cop was very close.

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