Police abuses

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Here's another one for Sasaki's comedy self-pleasure: Iraq vet tries to walk home, gets beat-down. (But he was near the Occupy people and they're super-extra-bad, an police have a God-given right to beat and shoot people if their dignity is injured, so it's all okay! In fact, it's hilarious!)

And why is that? One merely has to to read my posts over the course of this to see that I call abuse abuse and non-abuse non-abuse. I'm the sane one surrounding by a circle of partisans

Sabeghi's story as told is clearly abuse, but I can't say what really happened.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=8422482
http://globalgrind.com/news/kayvan-s...ks-out-details

Meh Kojiro, you're just playing l'enfant terrible right now, admit it

The police officer must be discharged without compensatory pay on the spot.

No way. He made someone very happy.

Secondly, you do know that citizen journalists have been instrumental in the past in unveiling the abuse of political regimes the world over, not the least in Eastern Europe. Plus, it is such an American way of asserting oneself, how can you right-leaning chaps be such biconceptuals about it?

That's where the disconnect is between us I think. This isn't Eastern Europe. It's America 2011. Here, citizen wannabee journalists mainly spout garbage and it's wrong to dishonour people who actually do good work by automatically elevating hacks simply because they meet the minimum criterion. Or maybe I can call myself a philanthropist because I gave a homeless person a buck last week...

[Lemur]

I call abuse abuse and non-abuse non-abuse.

A difficult claim to support when you make merry over an unarmed protester who is at least ten yards from police lines being deliberately shot. You contradict yourself with your own mirth.

Here, citizen wannabee journalists mainly spout garbage and it's wrong to dishonour people who actually do good work by automatically elevating hacks simply because they meet the minimum criterion.

And so, since a citizen journalist is illegitimate in your eyes, any police action taken against him is valid and justified. I've said it before and I'll say it again, lovely.

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Here's a little thought experiment: Imagine a cause you agree with. Imagine a protester for that cause behaving exactly like the fellow with the camera, but remove your outsized contempt. Now imagine that person being shot without provocation. Seriously, try to wipe the thick film of hate from your eyeglasses and see the thing for what it is.

Police have every right to defend themselves and enforce order. But the cause, fashion sense and/or dislikeability of the protesters is irrelevant, utterly irrelevant. I don't care if it's the Wetboro Baptist Church, the Black Panthers or your grandma who is protesting: this is America, we have (restricted but extant) freedom of speech and assembly, and anyone who is abiding within the law has a reasonable expectation that force will not be applied by the organs of the state. That's some seriously basic stuff right there.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I wish I was surprised some people considered legally filming the police provocation and the violent reaction by police understandable. Like saying skimpy clothing causes rapes because rapists can't control themselves.

At the occupy UC-Davis, a cop casually torturing a bunch of protesters with pepper spray who posed absolutely no threat to him:



EDIT: Cops in Iowa bust into a house, throw people on the ground, jump on the elderly folks who don't get on the floor quick enough, shoot the dogs as they're either right next to a person's head, or running away. All with warrants looking for "any kind of legal or illegal drugs" and a stolen Xbox. They found neither.

POLICE BRUTALITY: Family Says Police Killed Their Dogs and Slammed Grandmother to Ground

JEFFERSON IA—
Matthew Spaulding says he and his family were terrorized at their own home by police who slammed his grandmother to the ground and shot his dogs-- missing his head by less than an inch. "Told us to get on the ground. I got on the ground they put me in handcuffs," Spaulding recalls, "Then they threw my dad to the ground and my dog Sadie was right here sniffing my head. She was next to me. They shot her. The blood got on my face and then she took off running behind me and they shot her like three more times."

Tuesday morning, Greene County Sheriffs Deputies and Perry Police officers arrived at Spaulding's Jefferson farmhouse to deliver a search warrant. The Spauldings say they were immediately ordered to the ground.. even Matthew Spauldings' disabled father, Chris. "My son hit the ground I hit the ground but I didn't make it too fast so (the officer) jumped on the middle of my back, shoved his knee in and held a gun to the back of my head and handcuffed me. After they shot my first dog my mom come out"

"They had taken me to the ground," Chris Spauldings' mother Susan Mace says, "So I was laying with my face in the ground. And I asked them why they shot the dog because the dogs weren't close to them"

The Spauldings say after the first dog was killed, a second dog running away from the shots --- and away from police--- was also shot. "They weren't barking. They weren't attacking nobody." Matthew Spaulding says, "They didn't even give us a chance to put them in the kennel. We have a big kennel outside our house we could have put them in but they wouldn't give us a chance."

Perry Police are not commenting. And they're refusing to turn over any paperwork or reports about the incident saying it's part of an ongoing investigation. But we were able to get copies of the search warrants. One warrant shows police were looking for any kind of legal or illegal drugs. The other shows police were looking for a stolen X-Box video game system. No drugs and no stolen games were found--and no one was arrested. Chris Spaulding says he's furious his dogs were killed--his mother was ruffed up and his son was almost killed by police---all over a missing video game system. "Some of these officers should be fired because they kinda took their job too far. No common sense. No public safety when you got a kid on the ground," he says, "That's messed up man. Right beside his head. You could have shot my son."

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reading the news about that...someone really needs to post that Orwell article on the degradation of language again.

A policeman pepper spraying people with dozens of cameras in plains sight has not been "caught" on camera.

That chubby man strolling casually along and spraying a group of people is neither violent nor is it torture. Saying that he used pepper spray is perfectly descriptive.

CR, don't you have any respect for property rights?

I am writing to tell you about events that occurred Friday afternoon at UC Davis relating to a group of protestors who chose to set up an encampment on the quad Thursday as part of a week of peaceful demonstrations on our campus that coincided with many other occupy movements at universities throughout the country.

The group did not respond to requests from administration and campus police to comply with campus rules that exist to protect the health and safety of our campus community. The group was informed in writing this morning that the encampment violated regulations designed to protect the health and safety of students, staff and faculty. The group was further informed that if they did not dismantle the encampment, it would have to be removed.

Following our requests, several of the group chose to dismantle their tents this afternoon and we are grateful for their actions.

How childish do you have to be to refuse to decamp and then whine about being pepper sprayed? All they had to do was walk away. There's no free speech at stake, it is simply them making the police force them out of the area in the belief that they are now martyrs. It's sick.

[Crazed Rabbit]

That chubby man strolling casually along and spraying a group of people is neither violent nor is it torture. Saying that he used pepper spray is perfectly descriptive.

So what do you call it when you inflict pain on other people if not violence? And if you inflict pain on people sitting peaceably who pose no harm to anyone, what is it if not torture?

CR, don't you have any respect for property rights?

They were students attending a public university and sitting down in public. I'm betting none were arrested for trespassing.

How childish do you have to be to refuse to decamp and then whine about being pepper sprayed? All they had to do was walk away. There's no free speech at stake, it is simply them making the police force them out of the area in the belief that they are now martyrs. It's sick.

Where these people camping? No, they were sitting on the ground with no tents around. Anyone could walk by or over them.

UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said officers used force out of concern for their own safety after they were surrounded by students.

Why do so many cops seem to be the most chicken cowards in the world?

The group was informed in writing this morning that the encampment violated regulations designed to protect the health and safety of students, staff and faculty.

Ah, the ole government claim that they're only beating you for your own good.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So what do you call it when you inflict pain on other people if not violence?

Violent is close to words like frantic, destructive, impassioned, raging, uncontrollable.

Is pinching someone violence?

And if you inflict pain on people sitting peaceably who pose no harm to anyone, what is it if not torture?

Torture has a certain kind of intent...it can simply be cruel, or you can have the waterboarding type stuff in interrogations.

Is pinching someone torture?

I'm not your dictionary, Jesus. In your mind (filled with blind hatred for the police) these words may sound right, but words have actual meanings. I expect to see youtube comments talking about nazi's and fascists with these movies but I don't expect that kind of rhetoric here.

They were students attending a public university and sitting down in public. I'm betting none were arrested for trespassing.

Where these people camping? No, they were sitting on the ground with no tents around. Anyone could walk by or over them.

Why do so many cops seem to be the most chicken cowards in the world?
Ah, the ole government claim that they're only beating you for your own good.

CR

There was a camp on the quad. Camping is not free speech. Can I camp at your house all I want, CR? Do I have that right? Answer.

Some left when asked.

If you SIT there in that situation you are VOLUNTEERING. They are choosing to martyr themselves. Why weep over the pain of someone who could have stood up and walked a few steps if they had wanted to avoid the pain?

NO ONE was stopping them from protesting. They were 100% free to do that. They insisted on THAT area with the camp specifically in order to provoke conflict with the police.

Where does your hatred for the government and police come from????

[Crazed Rabbit]

The correct attitude for a cop to have;

Training is necessary because riot control's ultimate goal is to make sure that the rioter in front of you goes home safely tonight, even if you end up in the infirmary. He's a citizen, you're a police officer, his life is more important than yours.

Unfortunately that last bit is directly the opposite of most cops today, who view their safety as paramount. I do not exaggerate in the least; visit a cop news site and read the comments about how they're always focused on making it home safely, and they'll do what they have to do to citizens to ensure that.

Violent is close to words like frantic, destructive, impassioned, raging, uncontrollable.

Is pinching someone violence?

So it's the manner in which you inflict pain that matters then? So if someone is sitting in a chair sipping bourbon, cool as a cucumber, and they shoot someone, that isn't violent?

Torture has a certain kind of intent...it can simply be cruel, or you can have the waterboarding type stuff in interrogations.

Is pinching someone torture?

Indeed it does. And I think it fits this situation perfectly. They didn't need to move those protesters to take down the tents. The cops were not in any danger. The chubby cop, dressed in riot gear, casually strolled in front of the people he swore to protect and serve and inflicted pain on them.

There was a camp on the quad. Camping is not free speech. Can I camp at your house all I want, CR? Do I have that right? Answer.

Some left when asked.

If you SIT there in that situation you are VOLUNTEERING. They are choosing to martyr themselves. Why weep over the pain of someone who could have stood up and walked a few steps if they had wanted to avoid the pain?

NO ONE was stopping them from protesting. They were 100% free to do that. They insisted on THAT area with the camp specifically in order to provoke conflict with the police.

Again, how did their sitting stop police from getting the tents out?

Where does your hatred for the government and police come from????

Read the thread. Seriously, is this a joke question? Read where cops and government agents get away with lying, beating, shooting every dog they see, and sometimes even murder. It's not that they do it - it's that they get away with it. And the government, their employer, promotes them and gives them awards.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Cleansing myself.

2 NJ officers charged in police corruption case

CAMDEN, N.J. – Corruption charges were announced Thursday against two Camden police officers accused of falsifying evidence in drug cases in what are expected to be the last charges filed in a case that led authorities to dismiss more than 200 criminal cases.
The two officers, Antonio Figueroa and Robert Bayard, were indicted by a federal grand jury Wednesday. Both were suspended when the investigation began nearly a year ago.
Lawyers for both men entered not guilty pleas for them during arraignments on Thursday. Both defendants are being held without bail until detention hearings scheduled for Tuesday.
Three other Camden police officers pleaded guilty to related charges earlier this year and free on bail as they await sentencing.
Authorities say the officers, all members of a special operations unit assigned to police hot spots for crime and crack down on open-air drug markets, trafficked in drugs themselves. They say they stole them from some suspects, planted them on others, threatened to plant them on more in order to coerce cooperation, paid informants with drugs, and kept some for their own use.
They're also accused of conducting illegal searches, giving false testimony and filing false reports between 2007 and last year.
Since last year, the Camden County Prosecutor's Office has dropped charges in 210 cases in which some or all the officers were involved. In some cases, defendants had served years in jail.
Prosecutor Warren Faulk has said that some innocent people were jailed in some cases. In others, he believes true drug dealers were allowed to go free because the evidence against them was no longer credible.
Figueroa faces eight charges and Bayard five. For both, the most serious is conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a citizen, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman would not say whether Figueroa, 34, and Bayard, 32, were offered plea deals, or whether the other officers would testify against them.
Fishman said Thursday that Camden's police chief, Scott Thomson, alerted state and federal prosecutors of the alleged corruption after his department's internal affairs department started investigating.
Revelations about the case earlier this year were seen as yet another blow to a hard-luck city that consistently ranks as among the most crime-plagued in the nation.
Thomson said he's been meeting with community leaders for months — and that most of them seem to believe that the problem of rogue officers isn't widespread.
He stood Thursday with Fishman and state Attorney General Paula Dow to try to reinforce that message.
"It places dishonor on the thousands to tens of thousands of law enforcement officers who are out there day and night, basically doing the right thing," Dow said.