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    A recent murder in NYC:
    NEW YORK -- A week after police shot to death an unarmed 18-year-old in his grandmother's Bronx apartment, questions continue to swirl around the aggressive police tactics that led to the fatal confrontation.

    Ramarley Graham died last Thursday after Richard Haste, 30, a New York police officer, kicked down the door of his grandmother's apartment and shot Graham in the chest while he attempted to flush a bag of marijuana down the toilet. Graham was unarmed and police did not have a warrant to enter the home.
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    The large number of officers at the house indicated that Graham wasn't likely to escape and that officers could have waited to obtain a warrant before storming the apartment, said Emdin, the Graham family's attorney.

    "They can't take matters into their own hands like this and violate the Constitution," Emdin said.

    John Wesley Hall, a criminal defense attorney in Little Rock, Ark. who has argued cases involving police searches before the Supreme Court, said a police suspicion that Graham might be carrying an illegal handgun was insufficient justification for breaking down his door.

    "If they thought he had a gun, they should have stopped him on the street and not waited for him to go inside," Hall said. "Any reasonable officer would have known that they needed a warrant to get into the house."

    The most crucial question facing Haste, the shooting officer, will surround his actions inside the apartment.

    Haste's partner told investigators that Haste identified himself as a police officer, told Graham to "show his hands" and then yelled "gun, gun" before firing, Kelly said.

    But Graham's grandmother maintains that officers did not announce their presence before kicking down her door and that Haste did not say anything to Graham before shooting him, Emdin said.

    "I asked her if they said 'police' when they entered," Emdin said. "She says 100 percent no."

    Emdin also questioned an initial police account describing the shooting. In statements to reporters the day of Graham's death, chief NYPD spokesman Paul J. Browne said that Graham "struggled" with Haste in the bathroom before the fatal shot.

    But at a press conference the next day, Kelly, the NYPD commissioner, answered 'no' when asked whether investigators still believed a struggle had taken place.
    They held the grandmother for several hours in against her will after they killed her grandson:
    After Mr. Graham was killed, Ms. Hartley was taken to the 47th Precinct station house on Laconia Avenue and held for seven hours, said Carlton Berkley, a friend of the family’s who said he had retired from the police force as a detective in the 30th Precinct, in Upper Manhattan. Mr. Berkley added that Ms. Hartley was forced to give a statement about what happened.

    “She gave it against her will,” Mr. Berkley said. “She didn’t want to speak to the police.”
    This was so blatant there may actually be consequences for the killers:
    Two cops could face criminal charges for the fatal shooting of an unarmed teen drug suspect in The Bronx, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said yesterday.
    The officer who fired the shot and his sergeant were stripped of their guns and badges and placed on desk duty while the Internal Affairs Bureau investigated the deadly shooting of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham.
    “We are still evaluating the actions here,” the commissioner said. “The evidence will be presented to a grand jury.”
    Kelly was clearly troubled by the cops’ actions.
    “We see an unarmed person being shot. That always concerns us,” Kelly said. “The fact is that a young man’s life was taken.”

    On a different note of police abuse - how military vehicles are marketed to SWAT teams, and the fetishizing of the military by cops:


    One town in New Hampshire is resisting the deployment of this vehicle to their town.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, in Miami, some cops destroy evidence.

    EDIT: Half of all all people shot by LA County Deputies after allegedly reaching for their waistbands, presumably for a gun, are unarmed: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep...tings-20110923

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    That thing looks better protected than what they went into Iraq with. Absolutely pathetic. SWAT teams are an enormous waste of taxpayer money, and in many cases, taxpayers themselves.

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    Seattle Police talk about making up evidence, on camera:
    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/O...?tab=video&c=y

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    Man tried to exercise his rights at DUI checkpoint, and guess what the cops decided to do.....they let him go.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=053_1329365345


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    Follow up on the Seattle Cop who said he'd make stuff up:
    We showed Seattle Police Sergeant Sean Whitcomb the arrest video, and he admits the 'make stuff up' comment was inappropriate. But he says the department's Office of Professional Accountability investigated the complaint and exonerated the officer.

    "I can tell you we take (complaints) seriously but people have to believe that and they have to trust the system they have to trust the process," Whitcomb said.
    Because if we begin not trusting the process, we just might see what sort of people they really are.

    This same news channel has had to sue the SPD to get public dash cam videos.

    The SPD has destroyed and hidden video evidence for quite a while.

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    Man tried to exercise his rights at DUI checkpoint, and guess what the cops decided to do.....they let him go.

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    What to do if you're a fat cop and a handcuffed 20 year old woman is running away?

    Taser them in the back so their head smacks onto concrete and they go into a permanent coma.
    This week, two state agencies cleared Florida Highway Patrol Trooper Daniel Cole of any wrongdoing in the September incident, which occurred as Maudsley tried to escape from an FHP station in Pinellas Park.

    But several experts and researchers who reviewed reports and video of the incident said the case raises questions.

    They are troubled that Cole tasered Maudsley, a suspect in two hit-and-run crashes who had drugs in her system, while she was handcuffed. They also noted that Cole was just steps behind Maudsley when he fired the Taser.

    "It just doesn't make any sense," said Greg Connor, a professor at the University of Illinois Police Training Institute who specializes in use of force. "I don't see where it's going to be that hard to apprehend her."

    Cole, who at 267 pounds weighed about three times as much as Maudsley, told investigators he used his Taser because he was concerned one or both of them would be injured if he tackled her. He worried she was headed toward heavy traffic on U.S. 19.
    Disturbing video of the incident.

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    Berkeley police chief sends armed Sergeant to reporter's home
    Minutes after reading a late-night news story online about him that he perceived to be inaccurate, Berkeley Police Chief Michael Meehan ordered a sergeant to a reporter's home insisting on changes, a move First Amendment experts said reeked of intimidation and attempted censorship.

    Meehans's actions were "despicable, totally despicable," said Jim Ewert, general counsel of the California Newspaper Publisher's Association. "It's the most intimidating type of (censorship) possible because the person trying to exercise it carries a gun."

    Bay Area News Group reporter Doug Oakley said he was shaken by the 12:45 a.m. Friday knock on the door of his Berkeley home. He said at first he and his wife thought something was drastically wrong or perhaps that a relative had died.
    [...]
    Oakley changed two paragraphs in his story, but Ewert and Peter Scheer, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, said it wasn't that Meehan wanted the article altered, it was that he sent an armed police sergeant to Oakley's home to ask for changes.

    "Ordering a police officer to a journalist's home in the middle of the night to demand changes to a story is an attempt at 'censorship by intimidation,' Scheer said. "It definitely crossed the line. It's a violation of the First Amendment, let's be perfectly clear." It "goes to such an extreme it's hard to imagine."

    Ewert said the chief should have just called the newspaper the next day or written a letter to the editor.

    Even after Oakley made initial changes to the story Meehan early Friday continued to phone and email Oakley asking for additional changes. Oakley declined, saying he stood by his story.
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    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1385441.story

    Oakley's story was posted online just before midnight Thursday. About an hour later, his wife woke him to say a police officer was at the door, Oakley said. He thought at the time that something might have happened to his sister, who lives nearby.

    Sgt. Mary C. Kusmiss, who regularly works with the media, was apologetic about her visit, Oakley said. She told him the chief took issue with the story's characterization of an apology he made during the community meeting.

    "My first reaction was more mortified that I got something wrong on a big story," Oakley said. "But something deeper down just started bothering me. My wife and I were both thinking, 'This is really inappropriate and unprofessional and scary.'"
    How can you whine about being scared by an apologetic officer from a police chief who is obsessed about his pr, when your first reaction wasn't even fear? I would bet he's not really that much of a chicken, he just decided he was intimidated later so he could feel victimized.

    This should be an amusing story about a police chief obsessed with a guy who as far as I can tell is just a blogger, but instead they went with some 1st amendment "experts" who find it "unimaginably extreme"

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    I may have my own police abuse post on the near future....

    I have been paying a Good Ole Boy cop to house sit for me while away, 200 dollars per month. In September, I paid him 1100 dollars to go pick up some equipment in another town that I bought in an online auction. This stuff cost me 1700 and would require a flatbed. He volunteered for the job. I find out a few days ago the wrecker company auctioned this stuff off due to a non-pickup at their storage yard, so now I am out 2800

    I have been tracking this guy disreetly, and it appears he is off work due to an injury and from my correspondence with him he may be abusing pills. I have not let him know I am upset about the 2800 because he is still my "housesitter" and I have 10 grand worth of new appliances. I have a terrible feeling I am going to go home and find my house empty and this guy gone.

    Either way, I am taking him to court when I return. All our correspondence was done on official government email, so I have the agreement on record. At the bare minimum, I want my 1100.

    Needless to say, I am concerned about confronting him when I return because this is a sparsely poulated county where there are a lot of unsolved crimes that involve likely nepotism, and the entire police department and sheriffs department are related one way or another.
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    How can you whine about being scared by an apologetic officer from a police chief who is obsessed about his pr, when your first reaction wasn't even fear? I would bet he's not really that much of a chicken, he just decided he was intimidated later so he could feel victimized.

    This should be an amusing story about a police chief obsessed with a guy who as far as I can tell is just a blogger, but instead they went with some 1st amendment "experts" who find it "unimaginably extreme"
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    I'm coming to believe that a minority of cops are abusive cops and almost every other cop who isn't abusive is a bad cop who will cover up or allow the abuse.

    It seems the Bogota police department likes it that way, because they are trying to fire the one police officer who tried to stop two other cops from punching a 22 year old emotionally disturbed man -who had made no violent movement- in the head while they had him pinned on the ground.
    The black-and-white tape captures it all--a mother, Tara, screaming for police to stop punching her son on their front lawn. She had called to have her emotionally disturbed son Kyle taken to the hospital. Bogota police responded while waiting for the ambulance. Tasca was the sole officer on the road that day, so she called for back-up according to protocol. Ridgefield Park police then sent two officers. Tasca had just completed her state-mandated training for working with emotionally disturbed citizens.

    Tasca described what we see on the videotape: "The Ridgefield Park officer automatically charges and takes him down to the ground. I was quite shocked. As he's doing that, another Ridgefield Park officer flies to the scene in his car, jumps out and starts punching him in the head."

    On the tape you can hear Tara, the mother, and Kyle, her son, screaming, "Why are you punching him?" and "Stop punching me!"

    The two Ridgefield Park Sergeants are never heard refuting the claims that they punched the 22 year-old man as he was waiting for an ambulance.

    Even worse, Kyle was never charged, nor arrested, for any offense. Tasca says it's because he never threatened, did not have a weapon, and indeed never resisted and was not violent. Eventually Tasca was able to pry the punching Ridgefield Park officer off Kyle, as seen in a picture taken by the Kyle's mother, who also later commended Tasca in a phone call.
    ...
    Catherine Elston is the attorney helping Tasca prepare for a week-long departmental trial. Elston is also a former police officer.

    "This was excessive force used against an emotionally disturbed person," she said. "This was an unlawful tackle, this was a punching an emotionally disturbed person whose arms were pinned under his chest with his face pushed into the ground."

    What happened next is so baffling to so many.

    Tasca's voice began to waiver as she recounted the meeting with her superior officer:

    "The next thing I know he asks me to turn over my weapon and be sent for a fitness for duty exam," she said.

    Bogota PD, after hearing Tasca's story, believes she is psychologically incompetent to be a police officer, and she is being sent for testing. The Ridgefield Park Police officers seen tackling and punching an emotionally disturbed man waiting for an ambulance are never questioned. never interviewed by an Internal Affairs Investigator, and are still working the streets today.

    Bogota Police chose to suspend Tasca, an 11-year veteran with numerous commendations. There are photographs from the hospital documenting the bruises on the 22-year-old's head, back, arms and wrists.
    Because if you don't allow a harmless man to get pinned to the ground and punched in the head for no reason other than some psychotics with badges wanted some fun, you're psychologically incompetent to be a police officer.

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    Department of Justice officials know of forensic flaws in cases that mean innocent people were in jail - so they only tell the prosecutors in the case, not the innocent convicted. The prosecutors, of course, let them rot in prison.

    Justice Department officials have known for years that flawed forensic work might have led to the convictions of potentially innocent people, but prosecutors failed to notify defendants or their attorneys even in many cases they knew were troubled.

    Officials started reviewing the cases in the 1990s after reports that sloppy work by examiners at the FBI lab was producing unreliable forensic evidence in court trials. Instead of releasing those findings, they made them available only to the prosecutors in the affected cases, according to documents and interviews with dozens of officials.

    In addition, the Justice Department reviewed only a limited number of cases and focused on the work of one scientist at the FBI lab, despite warnings that problems were far more widespread and could affect potentially thousands of cases in federal, state and local courts.

    As a result, hundreds of defendants nationwide remain in prison or on parole for crimes that might merit exoneration, a retrial or a retesting of evidence using DNA because FBI hair and fiber experts may have misidentified them as suspects.

    In one Texas case, Benjamin Herbert Boyle was executed in 1997, more than a year after the Justice Department began its review. Boyle would not have been eligible for the death penalty without the FBI’s flawed work, according to a prosecutor’s memo.

    The case of a Maryland man serving a life sentence for a 1981 double killing is another in which federal and local law enforcement officials knew of forensic problems but never told the defendant. Attorneys for the man, John Norman Huffington, say they learned of potentially exculpatory Justice Department findings from The Washington Post. They are seeking a new trial.

    Justice Department officials said that they met their legal and constitutional obligations when they learned of specific errors, that they alerted prosecutors and were not required to inform defendants directly.

    The review was performed by a task force created during an inspector general’s investigation of misconduct at the FBI crime lab in the 1990s. The inquiry took nine years, ending in 2004, records show, but the findings were never made public.

    In the discipline of hair and fiber analysis, only the work of FBI Special Agent Michael P. Malone was questioned. Even though Justice Department and FBI officials knew that the discipline had weaknesses and that the lab lacked protocols — and learned that examiners’ “matches” were often wrong — they kept their reviews limited to Malone.

    But two cases in D.C. Superior Court show the inadequacy of the government’s response.

    Santae A. Tribble, now 51, was convicted of killing a taxi driver in 1978, and Kirk L. Odom, now 49, was convicted of a sexual assault in 1981.

    Key evidence at each of their trials came from separate FBI experts — not Malone — who swore that their scientific analysis proved with near certainty that Tribble’s and Odom’s hair was at the respective crime scenes.

    But DNA testing this year on the hair and on other old evidence virtually eliminates Tribble as a suspect and completely clears Odom. Both men have completed their sentences and are on lifelong parole. They are now seeking exoneration in the courts in the hopes of getting on with their lives.

    Neither case was part of the Justice Department task force’s review.
    ...
    Task force documents identifying the scientific reviews of problem cases generally did not contain the names of the defendants. Piecing together case numbers and other bits of information from more than 10,000 pages of documents, The Post found more than 250 cases in which a scientific review was completed. Available records did not allow the identification of defendants in roughly 100 of those cases. Records of an unknown number of other questioned cases handled by federal prosecutors have yet to be released by the government.

    The Post found that while many prosecutors made swift and full disclosures, many others did so incompletely, years late or not at all. The effort was stymied at times by lack of cooperation from some prosecutors and declining interest and resources as time went on.
    Re: the bolded part - because when innocent people are in prison, you do the absolute bare minimum required by law when you have exclusive knowledge they are innocent. That's our Department of Justice, folks.

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    On the angle of good cops being fired -
    In Columbia Missouri a good cop has somehow managed to become chief. One of his actions was to fire an abusive officer who pushed a non violent man into a wall so hard he fractured a vertebrae.

    So of course the local cop union wants the chief fired.

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    13/21 Wow, why do cops need such hardware?
    The same reason that civilians need all of that hardware; To protect us from people with hardware like that. This is what the second amendment was made for.
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    Please. All that gear makes them look like wannabe soldiers expecting an IED attack in the streets. They don't need it, and they certainly shouldn't be getting it with public money. A cop who is afraid to die protecting even the lowliest scumbag of a citizen does not deserve to be a cop. Period.
    You miss my point. My point is that police need police of their own. Nobody better to police them than the people. video phones, concealed carry. The threat of force deters us, it will deter them as well. They need to be better armed than us, but not by much.

    A defenseless populace is at the mercy of their protectors. Be your own police.
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    You miss my point. My point is that police need police of their own. Nobody better to police them than the people. video phones, concealed carry. The threat of force deters us, it will deter them as well. They need to be better armed than us, but not by much.

    A defenseless populace is at the mercy of their protectors. Be your own police.
    And a self policing one is at the mercy of his/her appearence.

    There's a reason becoming at the mercy of your protectors vastly drops the number of murders. And I'm not sure if you realise how explosive controlling the police with the threat of violence would be.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    And a self policing one is at the mercy of his/her appearence.

    There's a reason becoming at the mercy of your protectors vastly drops the number of murders. And I'm not sure if you realise how explosive controlling the police with the threat of violence would be.
    Many Yanks have an insane view on the relationship dynamic between authority and civilians.
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    Policing for profit in Tennessee - Police seize $22k from a man going to buy a car because he couldn't prove it wasn't for drugs (yes, your money is presumed guilty even if you're not charged with a crime) -
    Reby was driving down Interstate 40, heading west through Putnam County, when he was stopped for speeding.

    A Monterey police officer wanted to know if he was carrying any large amounts of cash.

    "I said, 'Around $20,000,'" he recalled. "Then, at the point, he said, 'Do you mind if I search your vehicle?' I said, 'No, I don't mind.' I certainly didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. It was my money."

    That's when Officer Larry Bates confiscated the cash based on his suspicion that it was drug money.

    "Why didn't you arrest him?" we asked Bates.

    "Because he hadn't committed a criminal law," the officer answered.

    Bates said the amount of money and the way it was packed gave him reason to be suspicious.

    "The safest place to put your money if it's legitimate is in a bank account," he explained. "He stated he had two. I would put it in a bank account. It draws interest and it's safer."

    "But it's not illegal to carry cash," we noted.

    "No, it's not illegal to carry cash," Bates said. "Again, it's what the cash is being used for to facilitate or what it is being utilized for."

    NewsChannel 5 Investigates noted, "But you had no proof that money was being used for drug trafficking, correct? No proof?"

    "And he couldn't prove it was legitimate," Bates insisted.
    It gets worse in the rest of the article.



    But it gets truly Kafkaesque in Brown County, Wisconsin:
    When the Brown County, Wis., Drug Task Force arrested her son Joel last February, Beverly Greer started piecing together his bail.

    She used part of her disability payment and her tax return. Joel Greer's wife also chipped in, as did his brother and two sisters. On Feb. 29, a judge set Greer's bail at $7,500, and his mother called the Brown County jail to see where and how she could get him out. "The police specifically told us to bring cash," Greer says. "Not a cashier's check or a credit card. They said cash."

    So Greer and her family visited a series of ATMs, and on March 1, she brought the money to the jail, thinking she'd be taking Joel Greer home. But she left without her money, or her son.

    Instead jail officials called in the same Drug Task Force that arrested Greer. A drug-sniffing dog inspected the Greers' cash, and about a half-hour later, Beverly Greer said, a police officer told her the dog had alerted to the presence of narcotics on the bills -- and that the police department would be confiscating the bail money.
    ...
    It took four months for Beverly Greer to get her family's money back, and then only after attorney Andy Williams agreed to take their case. "The family produced the ATM receipts proving that had recently withdrawn the money," Williams says. "Beverly Greer had documentation for her disability check and her tax return. Even then, the police tried to keep their money."

    Wisconsin is one of four states (along with Illinois, Kentucky, and Oregon) that prohibits bail bondsmen. So bail must be paid either in cash, with a registered check, cashier's check or credit card. In fact, Donna Kuchler, a Wisconsin criminal defense attorney based in Waukesha, said police aren't allowed to insist on cash.

    "I would be suspicious of why they would do that," Kuchler says. "I had a case last year in Fond du Lac County where they tried to say my client could only pay in cash. My guess is that they probably intended to do the same thing that happened here. We brought a cashier's check anyway, and they knew they had to accept it."
    ...
    Stephen Downing, a retired narcotics cop who served as assistant police chief in Los Angeles, says it isn't surprising that a drug dog would alert to a pile of cash, since it usually has traces of drugs.

    "I'd call these cases direct theft. They're hijackings," says Downing, who is now a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, an organization of former police and prosecutors who advocate ending the drug war.

    Downing says he recently consulted a medical marijuana activist in California who was told to bring his bail money in cash, despite the fact that state law allows payment with a cashier's check, a registered check or a credit card. "It makes me wonder if this seizing of bail is a new idea getting shopped around in law enforcement circles."
    I have to wonder if these cops still even have a veneer of thinking they're doing good work, or if they have abandoned that too.

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    I wouldn't mind to be abused by this powergirl, including handcuffs.

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    Wow! What movie set was that?


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    Wow! What movie set was that?
    No movie set teh chick is real, hottest police officer evar. I am considering a life of crime just to get caught

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
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    He sounds like a teenager.
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    Sooo, how should this police officer have handled this guy?

    He stands there and takes it like a man. He is a professional. He thinks about what he says before he says it, and he keeps his patience. Even if everything the guy with the camera said was crap (and most of it was), his job is to stand there and take it.

    Just out of curiousity, what would you advocate?
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    Just out of curiousity, what would you advocate?
    Exactly what you said, I think the police officer was a fine example of his profession. Just wanted to put another image of the police in the thread, how many of us could honestly say they would put up with someone like that in such a manner?

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    That dude with the camera was a total douche, and looking at his other videos he has all this stuff scripted out with the intent of trying to fluster people and make them overreact. For the most part, the cop did a fine job but at one point he stumbled with that whole "I will leave you to it, but if there are anymore problems I will come back and take your details"... this made me cringe, as it is scripted police talk filler fluff, and I knew the camera man was going to capitalize on it because of the "anymore problems" thing."

    Anyway, I thought he did quite well, expecially for a young cop.
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