Police abuses

[Papewaio]

Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?

[Major Robert Dump]

Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?

Telling him you have AIDS after he gets your blood spatters all over him

[Beskar]

Executive, judicial have counter balance powers what is the counter balance for cops?

IPCC in the United Kingdom.

[Lemur]

So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.

He's a hippie and the cop has a "non-lethal" gun. Furthermore, the hippie wasn't cowering in fear like the worthless peasant he is. Of course the police officer had to correct that immediately. For his safety.

Question time; when you're being illegally assaulted with deadly force, how should you fight back?

More on the OWS front:

As the events that led to Oakland protester Scott Olsen's head injury continue to unfold and investigations begin, we thought it important to offer some perspective.
This comment is from a former Marine with special operations in crowd control.
He points out that shooting canisters such as those that likely hit Scott Olsen is prohibited under rules of engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regardless of any political position on the Occupy protests, these are some Interesting insights:

Before gas goes into a crowd shield bearers have to be making no progress moving a crowd or crowd must be assaulting the line. Not with sticks and stones but a no bullshit assault. 3 warnings must be given to the crowd in a manner they can hear that force is about to be used. Shield bearers take a knee and CS gas is released in grenade form first to fog out your lines because you have gas masks. You then kick the canisters along in front of your lines. Projectile gas is not used except for longer ranged engagement or trying to steer the crowd ( by steering a crowd I mean firing gas to block a street off ). You also have shotguns with beanbags and various less than lethal rounds for your launchers. These are the rules for a WARZONE!!

How did a cop who is supposed to have training on his weapon system accidentally SHOOT someone in the head with a 40mm gas canister? Simple. He was aiming at him.

I'll be the first to admit a 40mm round is tricky to aim if you are inexperienced but anyone can tell the difference between aiming at head level and going for range.

The person that pulled that trigger has no business being a cop. He sent that round out with the intention of doing some serious damage to the protestors. I don't care what the protestors were doing. I never broke my rules of engagement in Iraq or Afghanistan. So I can't imagine what a protester in the states did to deserve a headshot with a 40mm. He's damn lucky to be alive and that cop knows he was using lethal force against a protester he is supposed to be protecting.


Specifically these two transcribed directly from US Army Law of War/Law of Armed Conflict training.

The Military manual states:
…have a duty to collect and care for the wounded. Prioritize treatment according to injuries. Make NO treatment distinction based on nationality. All soldiers, enemy or friendly, must be treated the same.

Second, the officer threw a flash-bang directly into a group of people trying to carry him away for medical treatment. Here's the Military guidance on that decision:
Medical Personnel Considered out of combat if they exclusively engaged in medical duties. (GWS, art. 24.) Doctors, surgeons, nurses, chemists, stretcher-bearers, medics, corpsman, and orderlies, etc..., who are “exclusively engaged” in the direct care of the wounded and sick.

Long story short is that the cops use violence quicker against protesters than Marines in Afghanistan [edited], and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.

Fun times.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So a protester is standing well back from the police line and peacefully filming. Best practices indicate it's time to shoot him.

That ones pretty funny, but this one is better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb6CcUjHOsw

Long story short is that the cops are more violent than Marines in Afghanistan fighting actual Taliban trying to kill them, and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.

Your disconnect from reality is mind boggling.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Your disconnect from reality is mind boggling.

Hmm. I should have said;

Long story short is that the cops use violence quicker against protesters than Marines in Afghanistan, and are more vicious to the wounded American protesters than Marines are to wounded Taliban.

CR

[Vladimir]

As someone with prior law enforcement experience I can verify that police officers are able to see through thick clouds of tear gas and are trained how to hit people in the head with inaccurate, smoothbore weapons.

No, I'm joking. The truth is that the cops tried killing every one of those kids but they were too drunk to shoot straight.

[Lemur]

That ones pretty funny

So ... a protester is well back from the police lines, behaving peacefully, and him getting shot is funny. Wow.

I don't care if it's the Tea Party, the OWS crew, the Westboro Baptist Church or the Klu Klux Klan. I do not like seeing police using force when it is not warranted. I get that you hold the OWS crowd in utter and total contempt. They are somehow more pathetic than other protesters. Got it. You've been super-clear on that. Still, I find your attitude about appropriate force beyond comprehension.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So ... a protester is well back from the police lines, behaving peacefully, and him getting shot is funny. Wow.

I don't care if it's the Tea Party, the OWS crew, the Westboro Baptist Church or the Klu Klux Klan. I do not like seeing police using force when it is not warranted. I get that you hold the OWS crowd in utter and total contempt. They are somehow more pathetic than other protesters. Got it. You've been super-clear on that. Still, I find your attitude about appropriate force beyond comprehension.

I do like to see the police using force. I would be unhappy if they got pushed around.

It isn't a disagreement about appropriate force. As far as I can tell from the clip he acted unprofessionally--just not in a way that we should care about. I expect some policemen to get angry and react. They should have that level of self respect, and having self respect and being professional are two good things that sometimes contradict each other.

I'm not going to start talking about fascist police grinding the peasants under their heel (or whatever CR said) when the protesters manage to get the youtube clips they want by sheer dint of effort

What continues to baffle me is the way this thread mixes in obvious police abuse with obvious non-abuse without people being able to tell the difference