Prussian campaign

[BeeSting]

That's what I was afraid of: Spain and France being one province each, such nonsense events like Dutch conquering both giants by merely taking their capitals. Such grand decisive affairs were impossible for that time and wars were fought with little impact on national borders. If I see that happen so quick into the campaign, I'm going to lose a lot of interest in this game.

[Monk]

That's what I was afraid of: Spain and France being one province each, such nonsense events like Dutch conquering both giants by merely taking their capitals. Such grand decisive affairs were impossible for that time and wars were fought with little impact on national borders. If I see that happen so quick into the campaign, I'm going to lose a lot of interest in this game.

Actually by all indications that seems to have happened at a pretty advanced state in the campaign, a lot had happened by the time France was destroyed. The player reported he's around 1750 currently (turn 100), it's not like they were taken out at turn 12, it seems much more close to 60-70.

That's a long time.

[BeeSting]

Actually by all indications that seems to have happened at a pretty advanced state in the campaign, a lot had happened by the time France was destroyed. The player reported he's around 1750 currently (turn 100), it's not like they were taken out at turn 12, it seems much more close to 60-70.

That's a long time.

60 or 70 turns... Dutch conquering the whole of France and Spain? You got to be kidding me...

[Polemists]

Well, actually he said 100 turns, 1750, since the game only goes 200 turns that means half.

This is one of the downside of limited number of cities and places. If you look at the map, other then one or two duchies, the only city in france, is Paris. This isn't MTW2 where you have to take Paris, Djon, Antwerp, and Marsellies to beat back the french, the french only have Paris and one or two german provinces.

They do hold land in New France, and the Carribean, but i'm sure if your focus was to steamroll them you could if you waited long enough.

Judging by the fact in the swedish campaign the danes capital held 4500, i'd assume denmark took a fairly good force down with it. Which probably means they had suceeded in other theatres, India, America, Carribean, for the past 50 years.

Guess it just means you'll have to watch your opponents closely. Honestly though, it took the Dutch longer to conquer half of europe then it took Napolean to conquer most of Europe. So in contrast it makes sense.

Just think of a dutch version of napolean.

[Sir Beane]

I prefer to take my countries piece by piece. I want to gain a foothold and slowly take cities and provinces as my forces creep forwards. Getting the entire of France in one turn seems kind of... empty. Like I didn't have to work very hard at all for it.

Mods will be fixing this of course, adding provinces back into countries like France which lost them. I'll probably enjoy the game enough to last until someone comes along and makes the map truly epic.

[Alexander XXI]

I have read this and it is a very interesting read indeed. Seems much more indepth than Medieval 2 campaigns. I do hope he was not exaggerating or getting carried away though, hopefully everything he said actually happened.

[Sir Beane]

I have read this and it is a very interesting read indeed. Seems much more indepth than Medieval 2 campaigns. I do hope he was not exaggerating or getting carried away though, hopefully everything he said actually happened.

Some of it may be AAR-style exaggeration designed for story telling purposes. I'd expect a bit of embelishment here and there.

[Polemists]

I'm almost surprised they can't keep thier colonies when the home city falls.

Or even better i'd prefer more of a napolean situation, where they make other nations become protectorates.

While tactically wiping out a nation makes sense, gameplay wise it usually takes away a fair bit.

[Fisherking]

It was something he saw as a video also. It is not unlikely the Dutch had other allies.

He seems to be having enough trouble. I don’t think this is exactly a winning campaign he has here.

[Polemists]

Well I think in general when your entire nation rebels and you side with the loyalists you in a uphill battle.

Just comparing the Prussian to the Swedish campaign, it seems easier to side with the rebels then the loyalists. Probably do to fact rebels spawn with a large army and your army does not.

He went with a mainly diplomatic strategy. Nothing wrong with that, but he lacked the muscle he needed to hold hungary and convince the other nations to back off. When his army starts to grow he seems to do better.

Just my thoughts.

[Sir Beane]

Well I think in general when your entire nation rebels and you side with the loyalists you in a uphill battle.

Just comparing the Prussian to the Swedish campaign, it seems easier to side with the rebels then the loyalists. Probably do to fact rebels spawn with a large army and your army does not.

He went with a mainly diplomatic strategy. Nothing wrong with that, but he lacked the muscle he needed to hold hungary and convince the other nations to back off. When his army starts to grow he seems to do better.

Just my thoughts.

CA have probably geared it so revolutions favor the revolutionaries, because social change is sort of a theme of Empire's.

Have we had any news yet of a Revolution of the upper class aimed at putting a monarchy on the throne? That actully interests me more than Republican Revolutionaries.

[BeeSting]

Guess it just means you'll have to watch your opponents closely. Honestly though, it took the Dutch longer to conquer half of europe then it took Napolean to conquer most of Europe. So in contrast it makes sense.

Just think of a dutch version of napolean.

Napoleon's conquest was in the 1800's and not 1700's... the game ends in 1799 and 1700's were a different time with different limitations.

The problem with CA games is that they are pseudo historical... if you want to feel somewhere remotely close to the challenges of the time, then play Europa Universalis where you would at least have to setup for yourself the "cause of war" before going into a war and achieve a point system for annexation of a province or nation before you can call any slab of land your own... TW games are child's play on the other hand.... it doesn't even consider the fact that the biggest enemy of any army is the nature and diseases it plagues them with; more men were lost to diseases than anything else. It's fun, however, battles are stunning... It's fun till you find out AI pattern and how stupid it is and discover all kinds of bugs which CA games are plagued with..... again though the graphics are amazing, it pushes technology, so you end up using a lot imaginations to find excuses to continue playing this game.

[PanzerJaeger]

Very interesting. Not sure about the UP taking all of Western Europe, but at least he's having a tough time.

My favorite bit:

The screams of the dead and dying do not bother me, they would have had my throne and my head. There will be order.

Very Prussian!

[Monk]

Napoleon's conquest was in the 1800's and not 1700's... the game ends in 1799 and 1700's were a different time with different limitations.

The problem with CA games is that they are pseudo historical... if you want to feel somewhere remotely close to the challenges of the time, then play Europa Universalis where you would at least have to setup for yourself the "cause of war" before going into a war and achieve a point system for annexation of a province or nation before you can call any slab of land your own... TW games are child's play on the other hand.... it doesn't even consider the fact that the biggest enemy of any army is the nature and diseases it plagues them with; more men were lost to diseases than anything else. It's fun, however, battles are stunning... It's fun till you find out AI pattern and how stupid it is and discover all kinds of bugs which CA games are plagued with..... again though the graphics are amazing, it pushes technology, so you end up using a lot imaginations to find excuses to continue playing this game.

EU is a game that is for a different kind of player, personally I don't like it when I need to tranche through huge tutorials(I think II had like 6, by the time i was done with them I had forgotten the material in the first) that cover vast amounts of gameplay just to be able to enjoy a game. The depth and learning curve are intense, some people like that but it's not for me.

The weakness in CA's games has always been the AI going back to RTW, the AI seems improved this go around, we'll see in two days.

As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.

[BeeSting]

As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.

European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....

[Polemists]

Well if you read the first post. He keeps editing and updating it. The day before it ended at The world turns part, so he added in People's Prussia, Hungarian war and Venetian War.

I must say, the part where France falls, unnerves me slightly. Only because I remeber that the danes of MTW2 pretty well conquered all of europe if you let them. This goes back to not demanding everything be a historical but at least some historical relevance.

I have no desire to see Central Europe controlled by one faction. Not even my faction. I'd rather see England, Spain, France and the other new world powers Pol-Lith, Russia, Prussia remain and us duke it out in small rebel provinces or minor factions.

My assumption is that France will have alot of rebellions and without aid they will most likely either lose a rebellion, or be trampled on after one. The fact the United Provinces, who only control United provinces march on Paris is upsetting.

I can only hope this was due to odd circumstances, as the other reports had none of the major factions taken out.

[A Very Super Market]

I would much rather see more vigorous colony warfare, and less european ones.

[Melvish]

That's what I was afraid of: Spain and France being one province each, such nonsense events like Dutch conquering both giants by merely taking their capitals. Such grand decisive affairs were impossible for that time and wars were fought with little impact on national borders. If I see that happen so quick into the campaign, I'm going to lose a lot of interest in this game.

As a matter of fact the Seventh Coalition (Prussia, United Kingdom, United Netherlands, Hanover, Nassau, Brunswick) did conquer France piecemeal after defeating Napoleon in Waterloo and marching into Paris.

Napoleon did re-conquer Spain piecemeal after razing a few forts and villages, winning a few field battles and marching into Madrid.Ditto for Portugal.

True the coalition forces didn't annex France but in the game there always a high probability that a faction re-emerge when you conquer a different culture type.

The root of the problem IMHO is that the AI have problem to position here big armies to use the zone of control. Note: Napoleon actually outmaneuvered a British army to retake Madrid so i see no reason why a the descendant of Maurice of Nassau could not do the same to some half wit, blue-blood French general.

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OT: I really enjoyed this AAR while waiting for ETW to be available in America. It made the waiting time less a burden.

[Melvish]

As a matter of fact the Seventh Coalition (Prussia, United Kingdom, United Netherlands, Hanover, Nassau, Brunswick) did conquer France piecemeal after defeating Napoleon in Waterloo and marching into Paris.

Napoleon did re-conquer Spain piecemeal after razing a few forts and villages, winning a few field battles and marching into Madrid.Ditto for Portugal.

True the coalition forces didn't annex France but in the game there always a high probability that a faction re-emerge when you conquer a different culture type.

The root of the problem IMHO is that the AI have problem to position here big armies to use the zone of control. Note: Napoleon actually outmaneuvered a British army to retake Madrid so i see no reason why a the descendant of Maurice of Nassau could not do the same to some half wit, blue-blood French general.

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OT: I really enjoyed this AAR while waiting for ETW to be available in America. It made the waiting time less a burden.

GAAAAAAARRRR!!!
Can't Edit my post, my use of English expression is still somewhat lacking.
I did not meant piecemeal as in multiple piece but more like one piece.


My first campaign as Prussia was interesting, i was very aggressive and attacked Poland at turn 3. It went well because Poland did not had the time to build up and i managed to convince Russia to back out of the war, they were ally to Poland and me. They broke alliance with me and declare war but accepted a white peace on the same turn. I had to do some hard fought battle (1vs2) but it seem that my experience with other gunfight era game (Eastern Front II) help me get the better on the AI. Hint: high slope are wonderful defensive position to make ALL your rank fire. Also don't be afraid to assault an enemy in strong defensive position. An obstacle not covered by fire is a null obstacle.

Cortland was submitted into protectora, Saxony was annexed, Poland lost Danzig and Warsaw but did not want to accept a peace deal. Then all hell got loose and Austria and all Germans OPM declare war on me and Sweden cancel alliance. I conquer Silesia after an heroic battle where i charged Austrian strong defensive position with a quarter of my army while the rest take position in good firing position(flank and rear).

It was getting late (or early): 5am, so it was time to get some shut eye. Next day i open my saves games and.......... CTD. I've also tried after that a game with France (actually managed to get a revolution in 1707!!) but it ended the same way .....CTD.