60 or 70 turns... Dutch conquering the whole of France and Spain? You got to be kidding me...Originally Posted by Monk
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60 or 70 turns... Dutch conquering the whole of France and Spain? You got to be kidding me...
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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Well, actually he said 100 turns, 1750, since the game only goes 200 turns that means half.
This is one of the downside of limited number of cities and places. If you look at the map, other then one or two duchies, the only city in france, is Paris. This isn't MTW2 where you have to take Paris, Djon, Antwerp, and Marsellies to beat back the french, the french only have Paris and one or two german provinces.
They do hold land in New France, and the Carribean, but i'm sure if your focus was to steamroll them you could if you waited long enough.
Judging by the fact in the swedish campaign the danes capital held 4500, i'd assume denmark took a fairly good force down with it. Which probably means they had suceeded in other theatres, India, America, Carribean, for the past 50 years.
Guess it just means you'll have to watch your opponents closely. Honestly though, it took the Dutch longer to conquer half of europe then it took Napolean to conquer most of Europe. So in contrast it makes sense.
Just think of a dutch version of napolean.
Last edited by Polemists; 03-02-2009 at 12:19.
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I prefer to take my countries piece by piece. I want to gain a foothold and slowly take cities and provinces as my forces creep forwards. Getting the entire of France in one turn seems kind of... empty. Like I didn't have to work very hard at all for it.
Mods will be fixing this of course, adding provinces back into countries like France which lost them. I'll probably enjoy the game enough to last until someone comes along and makes the map truly epic.
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I have read this and it is a very interesting read indeed. Seems much more indepth than Medieval 2 campaigns. I do hope he was not exaggerating or getting carried away though, hopefully everything he said actually happened.
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Some of it may be AAR-style exaggeration designed for story telling purposes. I'd expect a bit of embelishment here and there.
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I'm almost surprised they can't keep thier colonies when the home city falls.
Or even better i'd prefer more of a napolean situation, where they make other nations become protectorates.
While tactically wiping out a nation makes sense, gameplay wise it usually takes away a fair bit.
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It was something he saw as a video also. It is not unlikely the Dutch had other allies.
He seems to be having enough trouble. I don’t think this is exactly a winning campaign he has here.
Education: that which reveals to the wise,
and conceals from the stupid,
the vast limits of their knowledge.
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Well I think in general when your entire nation rebels and you side with the loyalists you in a uphill battle.
Just comparing the Prussian to the Swedish campaign, it seems easier to side with the rebels then the loyalists. Probably do to fact rebels spawn with a large army and your army does not.
He went with a mainly diplomatic strategy. Nothing wrong with that, but he lacked the muscle he needed to hold hungary and convince the other nations to back off. When his army starts to grow he seems to do better.
Just my thoughts.
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CA have probably geared it so revolutions favor the revolutionaries, because social change is sort of a theme of Empire's.
Have we had any news yet of a Revolution of the upper class aimed at putting a monarchy on the throne? That actully interests me more than Republican Revolutionaries.
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It will probably be like a republican revolution just with more advanced troops (they are rich after all).
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It seems you can only go half way backwards. If I read it right here is how it works.
The way up
Monarchy-Parlimental Monarchy-Middle Class Revolt
Parlimental Monarchy-Republic-Lower class revolt
The way back
Republic-Parlimental Monarchy-Middle Class revolt
Parlimental Monarchy-Monarchy-Upper class revolt
To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to skip a rung of the ladder. The lower class won't revolt until after the middle, the upper won't revolt until after they've stepped back from a republic.
The only way you may be able to go from one to another quickly is if there was a war of sucession, but once you are a repubic to best of my knowledge there is no war of sucession.
From most of what we read it seems the people are far more happy in a republic, so it seems less likely it will revolt. Though as you can tax different classes, I assume if you are a republic and want to go back the quickestway is to tax the heck out of the nobility.
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Napoleon's conquest was in the 1800's and not 1700's... the game ends in 1799 and 1700's were a different time with different limitations.
The problem with CA games is that they are pseudo historical... if you want to feel somewhere remotely close to the challenges of the time, then play Europa Universalis where you would at least have to setup for yourself the "cause of war" before going into a war and achieve a point system for annexation of a province or nation before you can call any slab of land your own... TW games are child's play on the other hand.... it doesn't even consider the fact that the biggest enemy of any army is the nature and diseases it plagues them with; more men were lost to diseases than anything else. It's fun, however, battles are stunning... It's fun till you find out AI pattern and how stupid it is and discover all kinds of bugs which CA games are plagued with..... again though the graphics are amazing, it pushes technology, so you end up using a lot imaginations to find excuses to continue playing this game.
Last edited by BeeSting; 03-02-2009 at 16:58.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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Very interesting. Not sure about the UP taking all of Western Europe, but at least he's having a tough time.
My favorite bit:
Very Prussian!The screams of the dead and dying do not bother me, they would have had my throne and my head. There will be order.
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EU is a game that is for a different kind of player, personally I don't like it when I need to tranche through huge tutorials(I think II had like 6, by the time i was done with them I had forgotten the material in the first) that cover vast amounts of gameplay just to be able to enjoy a game. The depth and learning curve are intense, some people like that but it's not for me.
The weakness in CA's games has always been the AI going back to RTW, the AI seems improved this go around, we'll see in two days.
As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.
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European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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So would you rather have a game where you cannot defeat your enemy and take their provinces? I'm genuinely curious what sort of system you prefer.European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....
Personally I don't mind that I can crush other nations if I want to. After all the entire concept of a game where you can take the world is fairly ahistoric anyway, so why not let you take factions out? All I ask is that it isn't easy to do.
The Dutch could threaten Portugal without taking out Spain. Especially if they had a treaty with Spain. They could both march through Spain and also use a naval invasion to attack Portugal.
Last edited by Sir Beane; 03-02-2009 at 17:26.
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No you fight to expand your territory in the New World as it were for the time, or fight wars in Europe to topple foreign government to replace it with ones that favors yours and not to annex or occupy a whole nation.
The problem is that CA made it too easy, especially with their one province system for France and Spain. Peoples fear of this have been made evident.
True... but I doubt it... If I know CA's campaign AI, it is most likely set out for Nazi like objective of world domination.
Last edited by BeeSting; 03-02-2009 at 17:37.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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*cough* Napoleon *cough*
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First, Nap's conquest was in 1800's.
Didn't he setup puppet, tributary governments? annexation is another story.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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Poland was.
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You got me there... but that's probably the only example.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....
What's the point of playing the game if everything will happen the same as it did in history?
Besides, just because Napoleon came a century later doesn't mean that it was impossible to do that during the game's century. It just means that Napoleon wasn't born yet. There were plenty of other conquerors before this as well, from Rome to the Mongols to the Ottomans. Those were very quick land grabs, where they conquered huge swaths of land in what is only a few turns gameplay wise.
I don't see the problem with removing the uninteresting parts of history that wouldn't make good gameplay. I certainly don't want to run out of gunpowder in battle if I didn't assign enough people to collect horse/bird shit.
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I did end up conquering the whole of Iberian peninsula and half of France in EU as the Dutch (my favorite faction btw). But it took me a month of playing before I was able to achieve this.
I bet you anything that I can achieve this in few days with ETW.
More challenge anyone?
Last edited by BeeSting; 03-02-2009 at 18:02.
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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