His Quote: "Wars of succesion are in Empire as a feature, whilst I have added spice for the telling there are no artificial ingredients in this story."
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His Quote: "Wars of succesion are in Empire as a feature, whilst I have added spice for the telling there are no artificial ingredients in this story."
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No wonder they cut out the part after 1800!
Bonaparte trashed the whole system! Took a republic and made himself Emperor…
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Oh I know wars of sucession are in, I just think they only occur if you are a monarchy and lose your king.
Though I suppose one could happen if you went from Parlimental Monarchy to Monarchy. The idea being that your nomiating your own king to rule and another nation may try to claim the throne.
It's all pretty interesting and I can't wait to try it out in a couple days
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Surely if you have a parlimental monarchy you are just making the monarch more powerful not choosing him. The issue would only come up when you went from republic to constituational monarchy as you have no king/queen. Or am I mis-understanding.Originally Posted by Polemists
Oh I know wars of sucession are in, I just think they only occur if you are a monarchy and lose your king.
Though I suppose one could happen if you went from Parlimental Monarchy to Monarchy. The idea being that your nomiating your own king to rule and another nation may try to claim the throne.
It's all pretty interesting and I can't wait to try it out in a couple days
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Napoleon's conquest was in the 1800's and not 1700's... the game ends in 1799 and 1700's were a different time with different limitations.
The problem with CA games is that they are pseudo historical... if you want to feel somewhere remotely close to the challenges of the time, then play Europa Universalis where you would at least have to setup for yourself the "cause of war" before going into a war and achieve a point system for annexation of a province or nation before you can call any slab of land your own... TW games are child's play on the other hand.... it doesn't even consider the fact that the biggest enemy of any army is the nature and diseases it plagues them with; more men were lost to diseases than anything else. It's fun, however, battles are stunning... It's fun till you find out AI pattern and how stupid it is and discover all kinds of bugs which CA games are plagued with..... again though the graphics are amazing, it pushes technology, so you end up using a lot imaginations to find excuses to continue playing this game.
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The fall of France to the Dutch is quite disturbing, but I guess we really need to know more about the situation. I assume that the Dutch and British were allies and at war with France and Spain. Any number of other factions could also have been involved. France may have been weakened by a large revolt or some other event. I do hope that the Dutch are quickly sent packing by the good citoyens of Paris, because if the Dutch can hold down France and Spain for more than a few turns, this will require some modding.
I think it would be better if the Major Western Factions all had a few Border Regions added so that they would have some strategic depth. This would also create more Regions that could be haggled over during a Peace negotiation. With those additions, I would personally like for the Capital Region to be made non-annexable; if possible. No Major Faction should ever be completely annexed for even a short time. Also add in Seasonal turns and I think ETW will be a near perfect game which I will play for years.
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Very interesting. Not sure about the UP taking all of Western Europe, but at least he's having a tough time.
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Don't understand your point? Constitutional monarchies can nominate their own (constitutional) monarchs. That's the point, Parliament is asserting its supremacy, we gave you the job, we can take it back.Oh I know wars of sucession are in, I just think they only occur if you are a monarchy and lose your king.
Though I suppose one could happen if you went from Parlimental Monarchy to Monarchy. The idea being that your nomiating your own king to rule and another nation may try to claim the throne.
It's all pretty interesting and I can't wait to try it out in a couple days
Britain starts off with a monarch who got the job by invitation, William of Orange, and later those weirdo Germans the Hanovers. i suppose someone else might have objected tot he apparent creation of a political block England + Holland, or Britain + Hanover?
Not sure what you meant though.
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Oh, yes. Seasonal turns..... *Drools
I am quite surprised that France fell to the Dutch. Presumably, after 70 years of war with them, its completely possible. However, can the AI actually keep order in France? If not, it will only be a matter of years before the French simply rise up again.
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EU is a game that is for a different kind of player, personally I don't like it when I need to tranche through huge tutorials(I think II had like 6, by the time i was done with them I had forgotten the material in the first) that cover vast amounts of gameplay just to be able to enjoy a game. The depth and learning curve are intense, some people like that but it's not for me.
The weakness in CA's games has always been the AI going back to RTW, the AI seems improved this go around, we'll see in two days.
As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.
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European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....As for the Dutch, since there is literally zero details on how they conquered the French, who was aiding them, or how it happened there's no way for me to comment one way or another. I honestly find it hard to be either disappointed or impressed by a faction succeeding over another when I don't know the circumstances of it.
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So would you rather have a game where you cannot defeat your enemy and take their provinces? I'm genuinely curious what sort of system you prefer.European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....
Personally I don't mind that I can crush other nations if I want to. After all the entire concept of a game where you can take the world is fairly ahistoric anyway, so why not let you take factions out? All I ask is that it isn't easy to do.
The Dutch could threaten Portugal without taking out Spain. Especially if they had a treaty with Spain. They could both march through Spain and also use a naval invasion to attack Portugal.
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*cough* Napoleon *cough*
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Poland was.
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No you fight to expand your territory in the New World as it were for the time, or fight wars in Europe to topple foreign government to replace it with ones that favors yours and not to annex or occupy a whole nation.
The problem is that CA made it too easy, especially with their one province system for France and Spain. Peoples fear of this have been made evident.
True... but I doubt it... If I know CA's campaign AI, it is most likely set out for Nazi like objective of world domination.
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First, Nap's conquest was in 1800's.
Didn't he setup puppet, tributary governments? annexation is another story.
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Plently of nations annexed in and around those years as has been said. To add a few, Ireland, Scotland, Portugal, etc...
The point is that it is a game, not a simulator. If you don't want to annex other nations don't. If you think it is wrong then you will have to fight against some AI Napoleon on some crazy, megalomaniac, annexing, power trip - like in real life a few years after the end of this game.
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You got me there... but that's probably the only example.
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eh?
'Hannibal had been the victor at Cannae, and as if the Romans had good cause to boast that you have only strength enough for one blow, and that like a bee that has left its sting you are now inert and powerless.'
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Typelexia!
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European nations just didn't annex other European nations then. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch also conquered Spain as they were "threatening Portugal". Um, okay....
What's the point of playing the game if everything will happen the same as it did in history?
Besides, just because Napoleon came a century later doesn't mean that it was impossible to do that during the game's century. It just means that Napoleon wasn't born yet. There were plenty of other conquerors before this as well, from Rome to the Mongols to the Ottomans. Those were very quick land grabs, where they conquered huge swaths of land in what is only a few turns gameplay wise.
I don't see the problem with removing the uninteresting parts of history that wouldn't make good gameplay. I certainly don't want to run out of gunpowder in battle if I didn't assign enough people to collect horse/bird shit.
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I understood what you typed... I was wondering where you got the idea that Scotland, Ireland, and Portugal was annexed in 1700's?Typelexia!
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I did end up conquering the whole of Iberian peninsula and half of France in EU as the Dutch (my favorite faction btw). But it took me a month of playing before I was able to achieve this.
I bet you anything that I can achieve this in few days with ETW.
More challenge anyone?
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If you were to ask, many Scots would categorise the Act of Union as de facto annexation.
Portugal had fought its way out of subjugation in the 1640s. Bit of of scope, I'll give you that, but not by miles
The Battle of the Boyne marks, at the Irish level, another de facto annexation. It established the Protestand hegemony and reaffirmed the exclusion of Catolics (locals) from positions of power and legitimised the seizures of catholic lands. Pretty much an annexation if you ask me.
Marlborough's success in the early 1700s ensured the Spanish Netherlands became the Austrian Netherlands, to stop the process of annexation that France had long been carrying out in Flanders and Wallonia.
The whole of French speaking Canada passed under British rule, or was annexed, in the middle of our period.
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I don't really have a month or more to waste on one campaign, but I do have a couple of days. And I know there are people out there with much less time than me.
If Empire is as difficult as MTW it will be challenging enough for me I think. If I wanted to be really challanged I would attempt to go annex France in real life.
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I don't really have a month or more to waste on one campaign, but I do have a couple of days. And I know there are people out there with much less time than me.
If Empire is as difficult as MTW it will be challenging enough for me I think. If I wanted to be really challanged I would attempt to go annex France in real life
It took me many campaign attempts to do what I did with EUII as Dutch... The starting time was in the 1500's and I had to fight for my independence from Spain, which was the hardest part.
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Oh yeah, the United Provinces conquering all of western Europe
When will they decide to fix the whole 'a country conquer half the world' flaw? It's already annoying enough that the player can do it so easily, leading to a bi or tripolarized world most of the time.
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You make an interesting point... And you also made my point, above examples were processes of hundreds of years complex political and religious policies. They didn't all come about of meat head like "I march my soldiers to your capital and..." all of a sudden "you're part of UK".
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Well I think that if it becomes like that then I'm going to have to spend time keeping expansionists in check each game to keep it worth playing.
Ironic that the British were essentially keeping the europeans from taking over their neigbours, at the time, aswell... even if it was to stop them from attacking Britain instead of keeping it all fun.
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That's less of a flaw and more like the premise of the game really. The clue is in the title, Total War. The aim of the game is to conquer the world. I don't mind if they make it a little harder to do so, but I don't think the game would be as good if you couldn't.Oh yeah, the United Provinces conquering all of western Europe
When will they decide to fix the whole 'a country conquer half the world' flaw? It's already annoying enough that the player can do it so easily, leading to a bi or tripolarized world most of the time.
I doubt they will ever 'fix' that paticular part of the game, because there are many people who don't regard it as a problem.
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