Hoplitai and 0.2 density

[Zett]

And about small shields, well as you've seen from all Germanic units, there wasn't exactly a standard shield design, the EB team wanted some variety, at least thats what I think.

We shoudn't give all units a lower density if we think it fits to them, if the unitdescription say nothing about it (and in that case it says nothing) we shouldn't give them a lower density. And the shields have to be of a proper size to form a shield wall, so the bodyguard unit shouldnt get lower density.

And trowing a javelin, well it wouldn't be exactly impossible you wouldn't be able to trow it far or effective. Though they probably trew it when not in shieldwall and afterwards forming one.

Thats the point, we are not able to let them change their density during battle, so it would be unrealistic if they throw javelines in dense formation (at least as dense as they would be if we give them 0.2 or 0.23). Thats why I say, fighting in loose formation would be possible and not unrealistic for them, throwing javelines would.

Then we could say that about all units who did fought in close formation.

Yes we could, but Hoplites don't carry javelines (normaly) and there for they would fought more often in dense formation then a germanic unit with javelines. If we could not represent the change during battle we should vote for the most realistical way to represent them. Throwing javelines in dense formation would be more unrealistic then fighting in loose formation (I'm starting to repeating me).

And swordsmen would perfectly be able to do so, just look at the Viking and Saxon shieldwalls etc.

http://www.regia.org/shields.htm Here they speak mostly from spears that were used in the shield wall (of course, different time frame then EB), same here http://homepage.ntlworld.com/echoblue/Theshieldwall.htm
wiki say that there ARE problems with swords and only shortswords could be effectively used in shieldwall.

And to all others (yes im looking at the 'hits' for thit thread and they are increasing) tell us what you think about that idea and how we should represent the Germanic units.