The Official ETW Hardware Problem Solving Thread

**IndoMe** · 04-22-2009, 08:34

Any fix for this issue? I am having this problem in my RTI campaign, chapter 4, year 1800ish. After taking Hispaniola, I get the victory screen and when I click OK to continue...crash. Tried taking another city (Mexico this time) and...crash. Every city I take, I get a CTD afterwards. I also get the msvcr80.dll crash rather often. I'm about ready to give up on this game because of the constant crashing

Core i7 920 @3.8Ghz
6gb RAM @1603Mhz
GTX260 core216 @670Mhz
182.50 drivers
X-fi Titanium Fatality
Vista32

**Marquis of Roland** · 04-30-2009, 19:00

Is anyone running the new Nvidia drivers version 182.50 having any problems?

**Babblearossa** · 04-30-2009, 19:32

Originally Posted by Marquis of Roland

Is anyone running the new Nvidia drivers version 182.50 having any problems?

is a bit of a vague question... but yes and see post above yours, that's a person with 182.50.
I've had more CTDs since the new patch but as it's in a campaign started prior to the patch I haven't stressed over it. probably won't stress much until I forget to save after a large battle.

some people liked the 180.48 drivers, they're linked on 2nd page of this thread.

**DisposableHero** · 05-02-2009, 13:03

Originally Posted by IndoMe

Any fix for this issue? I am having this problem in my RTI campaign, chapter 4, year 1800ish. After taking Hispaniola, I get the victory screen and when I click OK to continue...crash. Tried taking another city (Mexico this time) and...crash. Every city I take, I get a CTD afterwards. I also get the msvcr80.dll crash rather often. I'm about ready to give up on this game because of the constant crashing

Core i7 920 @3.8Ghz
6gb RAM @1603Mhz
GTX260 core216 @670Mhz
182.50 drivers
X-fi Titanium Fatality
Vista32

This lovely CTD has just cropped up for me, too. I've looked here, the Centre forums and the official forums, and there doesn't seem to be any sign of a fix - or even an acknowledgement from CA, which is pretty poor as it is a major game-breaking issue.

I'm currently working back through my pretty exhaustive list of saves to see if I can get around it. I'll post my results.

EDIT:Delightful. My game has also picked up the 'declare war' CTD.

EDIT2: So, I just loaded the last save where I could declare war and conquer cities without a CTD (in 1741) and ran it up to the point I reached before and encountered these crashes (1748). It now appears that I can declare war and conquer anew without CTD :/ So I might be able to continue.

There is one more thing I suspect that I want to test...

EDIT3: Well I thought it might have been something to do with armies not having enough movement points to enter the city they captured, or fleets being in the enemy port of the city, but no - looks like those saves were all corrupted and I just have to go back 16 turns.

EDIT4: No dice. After a few turns, I was CTDing when making diplomatic proposals/declaring war. The whole game is lost. Thanks a bunch, CA.

**Fwapper** · 05-03-2009, 19:16

Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Originally Posted by jsberry

Will ETW have the same CTD problems that MTW had?

Given that the game uses an entirely different engine, no.

The irony, it hurts...

**Wardo** · 05-16-2009, 18:40

Hey guys, since version 1.0 of the game I've been experiencing this "glitch" when returning to the campaign map from a battle pretty often but not always. It seems mostly random, whatever the factions involved, region of the map, result of the battle, etc., sometimes it just happens, sometimes it doesn't.

Basically I go into battle, whether started by me or engaged by the AI, then I either win or loose, and sometimes when I return to the campaign map after the battle is done this is how my map turns out:

The water is black everywhere, characters and buildings have disappeared except for their floors. I can select cities and build normally, but moving units is difficult. What I did when I had this for the first time was save the game and return to main menu, then I loaded the saved game and it fixed the problem. So I can fix it easily by saving and returning to the main menu then loading the game.

I have SSAO turned off, the rest turned on more or less detailed. I have an NVidia 8800 GTS with the 182.06 drivers, a quad-core CPU and 3gb of RAM.

Any ideas?

**Babblearossa** · 05-16-2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by Wardo

I have SSAO turned off, the rest turned on more or less detailed. I have an NVidia 8800 GTS with the 182.06 drivers, a quad-core CPU and 3gb of RAM.

I get that with some versions of nvidia drivers ( and have 8800 gts, quad, 4 gb ), I don't have it with 182.50 drivers.

Also, it might have come and gone with turning on some of the check boxes at the bottom of the graphics option screen but I don't recall now. I do know it came back with some beta drivers I tested then went away when I switched back to 182.50.

**Wardo** · 05-16-2009, 19:25

Wow, you don't know how happy I am to know I'm not the only one with this problem...

I'll try those drivers, thanks.

**Veho Nex** · 05-18-2009, 23:34

Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Like I mentioned in the hardware thread, other than the fact it is developed by the same company there are no similarities between the two games. Empire uses a new engine with new code. It will not suffer from the same problems as MTW.

I laughed now after playing when I re read this thread for some issues I was having.

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-20-2009, 10:55

Hi all,
even now with the 9.6catlyst i can't play empire total war for more than 20 minutes!it doesen't matter if settings are low or ultra, randomly the screen freezes and the audio start to emitt strange sounds in loop like wistles or smthing metallic, i can't even go to windows and i have to reboot. I've not such problems with other games like unreal tournament 3 that stress cpu and graphic card.
here's my hardware:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
Mainboard: P5E3 WS PRO
RAM: DDR3 2048MB
Hard Disk: 200GB
ASUS HD 4850
sound card: inside the motherboard
Alim: ezcool 1050 W

i put my DXDiag in spoiler

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

if smone can help me please...

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-20-2009, 10:58

sorry!the spoiler tag didn't work an i can't edit my post...

**Babblearossa** · 06-21-2009, 07:52

Originally Posted by Tony.Montana.

Hi all,
even now with the 9.6catlyst i can't play empire total war for more than 20 minutes!it doesen't matter if settings are low or ultra, randomly the screen freezes and the audio start to emitt strange sounds in loop like wistles or smthing metallic, i can't even go to windows and i have to reboot. I've not such problems with other games like unreal tournament 3 that stress cpu and graphic card.
here's my hardware:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
Mainboard: P5E3 WS PRO
RAM: DDR3 2048MB
Hard Disk: 200GB
ASUS HD 4850
sound card: inside the motherboard
Alim: ezcool 1050 W

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

use SPOIL in the tags instead of SPOILER, I did the same thing.

This is speculation ...

Might be audio drivers, and might nevertheless be bad memory on your video card. M2TW is what stressed my previous card enough to get it RMAed ( and replaced with a better one for free, yay ),
I'd tried testing other games to see if my problem was M2TW or the card, they didn't have problems
but it was actually the card ( damn 7900s ).

Anyhow only things I can think of are update audio drivers, try a couple different video driver versions, try the update to ETW that's due on monday and if none work then contact support at your
video card maker. My 7900 was fine for the first 9 months then started showing problems in M2TW as I said, by the time I got off my lazy arse to return it it was showing artifacting on bootup text screen even.

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-21-2009, 12:55

so you think it's a memory problem?
I've tryed all the catalyst from the 9.3 to 9.6...I should try an older one?
I know about the patch of monday and I hope it'll fix my problem. There's a way to understand if my card's memory RMAed (what does it mean? xD)
thank you

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-22-2009, 21:08

I've tryed the new patch but the freez occur with the same modality...
I've disabled my audiocard from bios (it's integrated in the motherboard) but the problem was not there
I've tested my cpu and ram with prime95 for 8 hours and it gave me no error.
I really don't know what to do...can someone help me?

**Babblearossa** · 06-22-2009, 21:09

I just think it's possible it is. Only thing you can do is eliminate possiblities,

try a few graphics drivers ( you've done this ) if they all have problem it's probably not driver issue.

try a couple sound card drivers,

if after both those your still seeing problems the only things I can think of are,
physical problem with graphics card, memory or processor ( this happens especially if you overclock but even sometimes not )
physical problem with main memory on machine ( doubtful but it's happened to me )
corrupted install of ETW ( which means uninstall, then remove

C:\Documents and Settings\YOURNAMEHERE\Application Data\The Creative Assembly\Empire folder
** after copying your save games from it **

and then reinstall the game.
)

RMA is when you return the card or memory chip to the manufacturer and they replace it, any 4850 would still be under warranty. Before returning it you generally have to contact their support on whatever support forum they use.

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-22-2009, 21:26

thank you for help Babblearossa,
about the sound card driver: I've disabled it from the bios and i run game with no sound and the freeze happen in the same way, I think we can take out this possibilities..or not?
my prime95 tests don't exclude a bit the possibility of a phisical problem of the ram or cpus?(i don't overclock)
you know if there is a program to test/stress graphic card memory?

I try to reinstall game in the way you suggest me, and try more old catalysts..
thank you again

**Babblearossa** · 06-23-2009, 17:21

Yeah I think that rules out sound, and there haven't been a lot of posts about catalyst drivers causing trouble so it's doubtful it's them.

if prim95 passes your cpu is probably fine, OCCT is also a good system stresser, it tests GPU now though I haven't used that much as it's new and I haven't been playing with overclocking.

There's also Furmark and ATITool for stressing graphics cards.

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-23-2009, 20:12

maybe..I was thinking....format c:\ ??
can solve it...?

**Tony.Montana.** · 06-25-2009, 09:42

ok I've formatted end when I watched the intro cinematic my PC power off and when i power it on my 4850hd don't do the same...I get it to assistance and I'm actually playing with my old 2900xt and all it's fine!
So thank you for help and cya!

**jsberry** · 07-12-2009, 01:24

I get a crash at two times: (1) always when changing from campaign screen to battle screen; and (2) there is always a sticking point between 1720-30 that the game will just CTD every turn so I have to start a new game.

I play on low graphic settings, and have tried both in and out of Window.

System info below. Any suggestions please?

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/17/2009, 08:49:43
Machine name: HOME-5BB1502475
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_qfe.080814-1242)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: NVDAACPI
BIOS: )Phoenix - Award WorkstationBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.0GHz
Memory: 958MB RAM
Page File: 689MB used, 857MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 405
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 6100 nForce 405
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03D1&SUBSYS_26021019&REV_A2
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9148 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/16/2006 03:35:00, 4496128 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/16/2006 03:35:00, 3959712 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4091-11CF-1550-080603C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x03D1
SubSys ID: 0x26021019
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Revision ID: 0x00A2
Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek HD Audio output
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0660&SUBSYS_1019C601& REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5268 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 6/13/2006 23:04:12, 4299264 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 8000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 33, 32
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 33, 32
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: USB20 Camera
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: usbaudio.sys
Driver Version: 5.01.2600.2180 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 8/4/2004 00:07:56, 59264 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0x4

Description: Realtek HD Audio Input
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5268 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 6/13/2006 23:04:12, 4299264 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x03F1
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 10/21/2006 15:55:25, 59264 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 4736 bytes

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Gameport Devices
----------------

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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ PS/2 Compatible Mouse
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 10/21/2006 16:09:46, 23040 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 10/21/2006 16:09:46, 23040 bytes

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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
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DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Local Area Connection - IPv4 -

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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
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Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

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DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 118.2 GB
Total Space: 152.6 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST3160815AS

Drive: D:
Model: SONY CD-RW CRX320EE
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 49536 bytes

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System Devices
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Name: NVIDIA MCP61 Serial ATA Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F6&SUBSYS_26021019&REV_A2\3&241 1E6FE&0&40
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvata.sys, 5.10.2600.0677 (English), 6/28/2006 05:38:56, 105088 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoi.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 6/28/2006 05:38:58, 363008 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoiins.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 6/28/2006 05:38:58, 363008 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\NVCOI.DLL, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 6/7/2006 07:50:06, 35840 bytes

**Wausser** · 07-16-2009, 16:03

I'm experiancing the same problem is Tony, after 5-10 mins the screen just turns black and I get some sort op sound loop, the only way out is to reboot.

Q8200, 4 GB DDR2, ATI 4850(1 GB)

**heggie** · 07-21-2009, 15:17

Does anyone know a fix for this?

After playing ETW for 5 to 10 minutes my PC suddenly looses power. By touch my PSU seems pretty hot, but I would be surprised if it is not providing enough power since 550w has been sufficient for my present hardware while running graphically demmanding games like crysis. I have tried lowering the graphics settings but that did not help. I am using the latest drivers for my graphics card, I am going to try rolling back to an older version.

This is my dxdiag:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Zarky** · 10-11-2009, 09:54

Edit: Never mind, I solved my problem by going trough big pile of drivers, and I found the right one.

**Marshal Murat** · 12-27-2009, 08:46

My game plays and loads everything correctly thus far, but the graphics are at the lowest of the low.
Not a problem, except my computer is playing CoD:MW:2 without any serious problems or anything. I think it's because my computer is a Windows 7, but I didn't know if anyone else had this problem with their games?

**pevergreen** · 12-27-2009, 08:57

Stupid questions out of the way first:

Have you tried turning the graphics up?

**antisocialmunky** · 12-27-2009, 15:45

Are you able to play COD4:2 at max settings?

**Marshal Murat** · 12-28-2009, 04:58

I'm playing with ragdoll and smoke softening, the works really.

I haven't adjusted to "high performance" because the settings were already on for the game, and it's a little slow anyway. My friend was saying that it's because the files weren't made or adjusted for a Windows 7 operating system, but idk.

**Xenopusbruteovum** · 02-10-2010, 10:49

I dowloaded the demo, I have the system requirements and this takes 4 min to load a battle map and the game has choppy video. it stutters every 2 seconds. Does this demo need a patch? I would like to play this game if it would work right. All the other MTWs have worked ok for me, but this isn't any fun if its like this I more than sufficient RAM and a 256 mb vid card

**Beskar** · 02-10-2010, 11:31

Originally Posted by Xenopusbruteovum

I dowloaded the demo, I have the system requirements and this takes 4 min to load a battle map and the game has choppy video. it stutters every 2 seconds. Does this demo need a patch? I would like to play this game if it would work right. All the other MTWs have worked ok for me, but this isn't any fun if its like this I more than sufficient RAM and a 256 mb vid card

The demo is a very old version of the game. It has changed a lot since.

**Xenopusbruteovum** · 02-11-2010, 07:17

Thanks Beskar. I heard there have been a lot of patches since the release, so I think I will try it.

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