Pakistan; About to fall the militant Islam?

**Furunculus** · 03-04-2009, 12:27

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Democracies have to take responsibility for all their people? Utter tripe - unless you are advocating almost complete destruction of civil liberties. People break laws all the time in their own country. These are not usually failings of the state, but the individual - buying a knife is not illegal, but stabbing someone is.

a neighbouring country has every right to expect the home country to make all possible efforts to exterminate terrorist groups that launch attacks against the neighbour from the territory of the home country.

failure to do so is a cassus belli.

**Subotan** · 03-04-2009, 20:34

India and Pakistan's loathing of each other is a huge part of the problem. If both just calmed down, or Pakistan said "Look, we really nead help, but if you don't help us, prepare for unforseen consequences", then I think it ould have a chance of being solved.

**rory_20_uk** · 03-04-2009, 22:32

Originally Posted by Furunculus

a neighbouring country has every right to expect the home country to make all possible efforts to exterminate terrorist groups that launch attacks against the neighbour from the territory of the home country.

failure to do so is a cassus belli.

A texan shoots across the border - Mexico has causus belli? Again, without a police state there will always be nutters who break the laws. They, as private citizens are responsible for their actions.

Terrorist groups? Semantics.
All possible efforts? Meaningless that can be fudged to suit the situation.

**Furunculus** · 03-05-2009, 00:48

now you're being far too literal.

it is in the eyes of the recipient to judge whether the host nation is tacitly complicit or otherwise incapable in stopping terror attacks that originate from within its own borders, and its it the eyes of the rest of the world to judge whether the recipient has been over-hasty in apportioning 'criminal' blame to the host nation.

we never invaded southern ireland over cross-border terror attacks from the ira.

but none of that changes the fact that a nation is reponsible for controlling the activities of its citizens in respect to their actions against a neighbouring country. casus-belli is the accepted response to such actions, it just calls for a little judgement, like whether or not a nation has any ability to stop such attacks, if not then can the recipient stop such attacks with military strikes against the terrorists or via regime change.

**Furunculus** · 03-05-2009, 09:17

pakistan greater threat than afghanistan:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ghanistan.html

**aimlesswanderer** · 03-06-2009, 12:46

Sadly I think that there is a good chance that Pakistan will indeed fall apart. The politicians seem to be unable to do anything besides argue with each other, while the local extremists move into the power vacuum. Corruption among the politicians seems to be rife, and the army is weakened, bleeding from offensives against militants and internally divided. It is sad that the politicians can't get themselves together, as the electorate voted overwhelmingly for secular parties....

I suppose if things get really desperate, the army might (if it hasn't broken under the strain), with the backing of most of the world, step in, and it would be a military dictatorship once again. Whether they can bring about some order in the country is debateable however, given what happened last time.

If the army does't take control, my uneducated guess would be that the country fractures into 2 main areas, with the PPP in the Sind and Sharif in the Punjab. The pashtun tribal areas in the NW might well be talibanised, and Balochistan will be some sort of tribal federation. If that does happen, gawd, it would be an enormous mess, with massive spillover effects in India and Afghanistan especially. Even the Chinese are worried (they have a small piece of Kashmir), the last thing they want is a terrorist haven near their restless Xinjiang region. Not to mention the nukes.

I don't think that the outrage over the attacts on Sri Lanka's cricketers will have much bearing on the downward spiral. The government just seems to be too ineffectual, and since the main political parties can't do anything but fight each other....

**Jango Fett** · 03-06-2009, 13:44

The future of cricket or any sport held in Pakistan is not looking good at this moment. The Sri Lankan team was guaranteed safety by the Pakaistani government, after seeing the kind of security given to the team, I really doubt teams will tour there for quite some time unless security is greatly improved.