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    Prussia is one of the 12 major factions available for play.

    played in v 1.0


    Prussia - Estimated HARD

    Prussia's campaign is for those who like to think fast, talk fast, and move fast. You start with two provinces, unfortunately they are both seperated by Poland-Lithuania's lands. Isolated as they are they can only offer each other limited support, building your empire will be increasingly hard in such a position, and waiting only makes it worse. Poland could easily be replaced by Austria, and then you will be forced to contend with a powerful southern neighbor. Therefore your first move is clear. Take West Prussia. Doing this, however, will bring you into direct conflict with not only Poland, not only Poland-Lithuania's two protectorates (Saxony and Courland), but also Russia who is allied to Poland.

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    You start with two decent sized armies, one in Berlin and one outside Konigsberg, they might not look like much but you've got the treasury to bloat those stacks with some Line infantry right of the bat. You're going to need to use troops wisely if you want to have a chance at destroying Poland and doing it quick. Spend two turns building up your forces and don't forget to take your cannons into the fray when the time is right.

    Start researching military technologies, with the ultimate goal of achieving ring bayonets ASAP. Prussia starts with Plug bayonets already so this won't take too long. You have a single school and a gentlemen, put them to use! Destroy something over in East Prussia and build a school there as well. This will come in handy later.

    Before you strike, you're going to need an ally. Poland is too large an adversary and has too many protectorates for you to go into this thing alone. I suggest Austria, but getting her on your side won't be easy. Well, actually it is if you have the money. Save up 5000 gold and send the Austrian king a state gift. A thoroughbred Horse. Right after he recieves it, offer an alliance. Feel free to sweeten the deal with plug bayonets, they'll need them. Austria is going to be your shield in this war, they will soak up a lot of heat allowing you to pick off Saxony and Courland before delivering the Coup de grace. Be sure to smile as you shake the Austrian King's hand... you've just signed the death warrant for half his army.

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    Don't be fooled by the weak moniker, they have the potential to levy mass amounts of troops, enough to overrun you if you're not careful. Once you've got your ally feel free to declare war at any time. The sooner the better as giving Poland time to build up only hastens the possibility that their "weak" will turn to "strong". Your army in east Prussia should immediately hit West Prussia, laying siege to Gdarisk. The garrison is small and the towns people will rise up to defend, but they should be no match for you. If Austria entered the war with you (your relations should be good enough that they did) Poland won't attack you outright, they will see Austria as the bigger threat and try to deal with them on their way to you. You should be much more concerned about Saxony and Courland.

    Ah yes, Saxony. You're going to need to knock them out fast or else you'll be fighting a multi-front war. Don't underestimate them, while their main army is filled with militia they can put up a serious fight. Immediately after you take Gdarisk you should push on Dresden and force Saxony into an open confrontation with the army stationed near Berlin. This will force the Ai on the defensive and not give it time to maneuver in the province. Siege Dresden and cut the head off of the snake. Auto-resolve if you don't feel like a battle, your line infantry numbers beat Militia's by a mile.

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    Turn 3 and you've already knocked out Saxony, Protectorate of Poland-Lithuania. They are not going to be happy about that. You have two options here. You can either sue for peace from Poland, or do so from Russia. Be advised, however, that Courland is still alive and is very much at war with you due to their protectorate status from Poland. If you make peace with Poland they may just turn and declare war again. I chose to make peace with Russia. If they refuse at first send a state gift and give them some tech, that should pretty much ensure they are at least "indifferent" to you. If they still refuse, give them a few turns and a few more gifts.

    With the sleeping giant out of the way and Austria and Poland fighting savagely along my southern border I turned my attentions to Courland. Your best bet is to leave an Army near Berlin/West Prussia and send one of your stacks up to deal with Courland on its own. It should be enough, but be advised that Courland had numerous artillery batteries in my game against them and proved far more dangerous than Saxony. Still, I was able to win a number of modest victories and eventually pushed on their capitol. If Courland is raiding your towns and you can't seem to pin down their main army, it's likely that they are devoting all assets to try and raid you. I noticed the Ai wasn't keeping an army between me and its city so I snuck around them and captured their capitol a few turns later. That was the end for them.

    Alternatively you can prolong the destruction of Courland a few turns and build your army up while keeping yourself between them and Konigsberg. This is the best plan as you'll have combat power in hand for the next step.

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    If Russia did not accept your call for peace a few turns ago, continue building relations and trying for peace. They won't be able to resist after a few china sets. Remember that stack that we had near West Prussia that we were building up? Well now its time to put it into action. We needed it in hand for our next step, which is absorbing the Polish counter-attack. You didn't think it would be that easy did you? Position it near Konigsberg and have them wait. While they sit quietly on the home front, bring the army who sacked Courland down and take Vilnius. Depending on how much the Polish have thrown at the Austrians, this can be either easy or downright bloody. In my recent play through of this stage the Polish had commited huge resources to fighting the Austrians and i was able to take it no problem.

    Keep your defense stack in place, if you move it you can expect Poland to come walking in and take Konigsberg! Exempt Vilnius from taxes and leave a few militia behind as you push on to Minsk which secures your eastern flank. As before, Exempt Minsk from Taxes and march back to Vilnius and station your troops there.

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    You may notice in the screenshot i've lost Konigsberg, that is because i didnt have the defense stack ready and in place! I had the money but just didn't have them moved up. The result was I lost two provinces and effectively traded my homelands for Poland's. If this happens you may find yourself bogged down and in a very dangerous spot, hence why I suggest keeping that army between you and them.

    The last objective is Warsaw, but don't underestimate your enemy. It's a powerful war-factory and can crank out Line infantry quickly. Try to position your Armies in a way that the enemy will be forced to march through them to attack, then wait. If no attack seems forth-coming then feel free to move in from either side (using either your defense army or the veterans of the Lithuanian campaign) to trap the Polish in a vice. In my experience, moving the defense army across the Polish border was enough to provoke an attack. I was able to defeat them in a bloody battle and break the power of Poland-Lithuania. Then all I had to do was move in the Lithuanian Campaigners and besiege Warsaw. Auto-resolve, done.

    Poland-Lithuania now has a final settlement and you should have quite the growing kingdom. It's up to you now whether to destroy them, or make them your protectorate. I chose the latter. They could come in handy as a buffer between the Ottomans.




    After blitzing and breaking the power of Poland-Lithuania, you're going to have to spend a few turns concentrating solely on building up your new provinces. Warsaw is the hardest of the four provinces to keep that you've acquired from Poland, with Vilnius coming second and Minsk giving relatively no trouble at all. Try to destroy a factory in Poland and replace it with a threater, as well as exempting the region from taxes and keeping a huge garrison. All of this, however may not be enough and Poland could rise up in a loyalist rebellion.

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    If you've kept a large garrison, however, this will be easily put down. Crush the rebels and let not one survive, your entire empire will take note and public order should improve. You should still maintain a large garrison in Warsaw, or perhaps build a few wooden forts in the area. After you've crushed the rebellion and made your new subjects understand their lot in life, you should focus energy upon building up your infrastructure. Up to this point I had been going all for broke with military techs and was noticing cash was getting hard to come by, it's a good idea to research the tech 1 farming techniques ASAP.

    I destroyed a workshop or two and converted them into schools to help my research to help in this matter as well. I took a short-term drop in cash but the long term payoff has been worth it. Basically, I have six school spread among my provinces ensuring I am at the forefront of the technological curve. It's paid off and had an interesting side-effect. With this much tech power you can actually influence wars. An example of this is the war for Scandinavia that has been raging since turn 3. Sweden couldn't seem to take Denmark no matter how hard they tried, so I loaded them up with military techs and two turns later they had conquered the entire north! It didn't last, but it was humorous to see. Give it a try some time, playing the arms-dealer is surprisingly fun.

    Once you've researched the first level of agriculture you'll be able to upgrade the many farms that your provinces are filled with. This is perhaps the smallest but the most important step in your campaign. Upgrading your farms ensures that even if trade is cut off you have a large portion of your economy still going. When you get the chance, upgrade the factories that you didn't destroy in your technology blitz. You need them working just as much as you do your farms.

    It took around four or five turns until I could finally start taxing my new conquests and could enjoy the benefits of the early wars I'd fought. From this point you can pretty much approach the situation how you see fit. The route I chose was a land grab against some of the smaller provinces. My initial target was Hanover, to test myself against their huge armies but Bavaria had otehr plans and attacked me right out. Of course, when Bavaria attacked me it gave me an interesting chance to start chipping away at Austria's diplomatic strength. It should be noted that every game I've played as Prussia (i've played three thus far) Bavaria has declared war on me shortly after we shared a border. In the games where I did not build relations with Austria this was particularly painful.

    Austria is sitting right on your southern flank and will need to be dealt with before long. They are just too strong to leave alone. The path to killing Austria that I took was a divide and conquer one. When Bavaria attacked me it forced Austria into a choice. Support Bavaria or support me? I had spent the entire game building relations with Austria so it was no surprise when they sided with me against the small state.

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    Unfortunately, Bavaria is a powerful state, despite its small size. I recommend no less than one and a half stacks to deal with them simply because they are going to mob you if you don't commit your forces.

    Be meticulous in your battles against them, be persistent, and you'll remove them from the diplomatic picture. Never, ever let them have a force behind you. Don't try to push on to their capitol for a quick kill, take your time. Invading from Dresden leaves you a narrow corridor of advance that is very easy for Bavaria to defend. You're walking into the dragon's maw, the last thing you need to worry about is forces at the rear. If you're careful and patient, you can remove Bavaria from the picture with a few tough battles. They were the most dangerous ally of Austria and are now out of the way. The others will only stop trading with you, which if you've developed your farms up will not be a problem in the least.

    At this stage I was making around 7-9k a turn and could finance huge armies to be levied, therefore it was my conclusion that I could really do whatever I wanted and that's my suggestion to you. If you are going after Austria then build up and look for targets of opportunity, a War with Austria will be rough. Right before declaring war, side with the Ottoman Empire and build relations with them. Once you've got an alliance and are friendly then it's time for war!




    That concludes a first look at Prussia, and it should be enough info for you guys who are struggling.

    Turns played 1-30 played on H/VH
    Last edited by Monk; 08-05-2009 at 18:42.

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    Hi its clikarbar again.

    I am updating my post above. I have taken Sweden and gave it to Russia for an alliance. I have stopped alliance with Austria and prepared for war with them. My plan earlier was to use one army to take the Danish and Dutch and 2 armies to take on Austria. However there were complications!

    I had the Dutch allied with GB and the Danish were allied with Russia and had been since turn 1 therefore I would have Russia against me if I attack Denmark although Russia is now an ally with me...I know I tried it! Not a wise plan if your goal is to take on Austria. It’s far better to get help from Russia. In my game Portugal was taken from Spain so I no longer had an ally that can keep France busy as they do not want to make peace with me for attacking Hanover so I decided to get on the good side of the Dutch rather then attacking them for now. I allied with Holland. With that Rhineland also got in favor of me and allied with me as well. It was time.

    Sweden was under Russia's rule for good. No rebellion so far for many turns. I moved the army I head in Sweden to Galicia to attack Transylvania, I had a army stationed in Hanover moved it to Saxony to attack Prague and then Vienna and another army in West Prussia to backup the Dresden army and to take Silesia all the way to Hungary.

    I had established a great naval fleet ranging from 2nd rate to 6th rate. I used the fleet to stop France's trade with the help of the Dutch fleets who were in war with them before they allied with me due to GB's war with France and managed to cripple the production of naval vessels...no French ships in sight. Then I moved my fleet to the Adriatic sea to cripple Austria's only sea trade route...however I had a small problem. The Straits of Gibraltar were crawling with Morocco’s Galleys and blocked passage inside the Mediterranean. I decided that Morocco is great land to conquer later on so I decided to attack the galleys and there were like 18x3 of them but they did not stand a chance...I enjoyed seeing them helpless against my 2nd & 3rd rate ships. That was quickly dealt with and my concern was that if I was going to get my fleet to attack in the Adriatic it will leave my trade route of the coast of Portugal open for attack from Morocco so I split the navy in 2. Leaving only brigs, 6th & 5th rate ships to battle galleys, while bigger and powerful ones are heading to Croatia. My goal was reached but found an Austrian fleet guarding the trade route which is my current position.

    While I was sailing the seas I started the war on land with Austria. With the three armies I managed to reach Vienna in 2 turns. I had all my Allies (Russia, Bavaria, Holland, Rhineland & Savoy) helping me, while Wurtberg supported Austria. Bavaria and Holland managed to be in battle with me during the siege of Vienna, while Savoy and Rhineland were busy fighting Wurtberg.

    Tax and trade income doubled to 30K that I felt I could make my people happy and reduced taxes for nobles from for 4 to 3 and no taxes (1) to workers from 2.Tax income went down to 18K, however Everywhere is partying with the newly conquered cities well adapted to the new rulers. Allowing me to remove the armies and place them into new locations. My only last territory left to take is Croatia and Austria will be history.

    My plan to finish off Austria from land and sea, then move into Venice as it has no allies, then Rome to see if there is something that can happen if you over throw the Catholic seat. Then I plan to take on France’s motherland, Genoa, Savoy, Malta, Morocco and Barbary States (Ottoman Empire might be problem but can have Russia by my side). To finish the long Campaign I have to take Denmark (I have to deal with Russia), Bavaria, Wurtberg, Rhineland and Strasbourg (I have to deal with France and careful not anger Spain). I am still year 1736.

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    Hi all. I am at Year 1760 at the moment and I have almost all of Europe under my belt. South East America and the Caribbean are under my control as well.

    After I have destroyed Austria, Venice, Rome (nothing happened), Malta, Barbary States & Morocco, Ottoman & GB started to turn unfriendly. Russia & Denmark also began to worry. Spain started to realize that I had a clear path into their territory via Gibraltar and Rome to Naples. In Berlin people started to get angry due to high taxes I have inflicted on them to upgrade all towns and ports. They called for a revolution and I sided against the government and won the fight for Berlin turning the empire into a republic (The flag also changed into the current German flag) although the name is still Prussia but I call it Germany.

    Spain really wanted Morocco secured so they wanted to trade it for New Mexico, Florida, and Gibraltar & Lombardy. I accepted. Later on I had GB turning hostile and really did not want a fight with GB and so I secured an alliance by giving them Tripoli. I found myself in the Americas with Florida and New Mexico. These provinces were really backward and I started Florida to develop it into a great province to start my conquest. Allied with the Pueblo by giving them Gibraltar and New Mexico. I had to secure Upper and Lower Louisiana as it was French. Spain wanted Algiers and gave me Cuba, Sardinia and Flanders for it. With Cuba and Florida I managed to get 2 armies to move into Louisiana and take it from the French. I allied with the Iroquois nations by using payment.

    Later on the game I was already producing 1st rates and steamships while my German ally states started a war together allowing a war to start with half of my allies and the other half. I sided with the side of Bavaria against the side of Rhineland and Savoy while Denmark, GB & Russia did not take part. However the Dutch and the French were the problem here. I quickly offered Flanders to ally again with the Dutch. Allowing the Dutch to fight of the French since now they share a border. I quickly sent my army in Rome to Turin and another Army that was stationed near Stuttgart to destroy Wartburg and then destroy Cologne. I finally done it, I have all objectives except Copenhagen (allied with Russia) and beyond.

    My next conquest was Liguria & Corsica with the army I had taken Savoy. Then it was time to prepare for the invasion of Paris....meanwhile I am building 2 armies and 2 fleets in the Americas. In the Americas I had some problems with French raids but nothing big. While I was moving my 2 armies into France and the other one from Liguria to Alsace I sent all my protestant missionaries to Moscow to maybe create unrest but nothing happened so far (anyone knows the exact reason for these. In M2TW they increased that religion type but it does not seem to work. Do I need to put them inside a church school?). I also prepared 1 army next to the border of Denmark and the other near Minsk to attack Moscow as although allies and presenting gifts the relationship is increasingly turning unfriendly. I decided to infect prepare for war with them and help the ottoman by giving them technology.

    I taken Paris and France have fallen. During the war in France I managed to take control of the Louisianans. Than there were Emerging factions of Mexico at New Spain and Quebec at Canada. I Allied with Mexico by payments and allied with Quebec by giving them upper Louisiana. Acadia, Newfoundland & Guyana went rouge. At this point in the game I had all the land in Europe from Estonia to France except Southern Italy, Southern Balkans, Iberia, and Holland & Belgium. It was time to fortify my positions in Europe and expand in the Americas. I started by building 3 Star Forts in France at the openings of the Pyrenees, 1 in Tunis border with Algeria, & 1 near Minsk. Placed an army in each new fort while having an army in old forts such as the ones near Kiev and Hanover.

    I invaded the Cherokee taking all 3 territories. I invaded all 3 pirate islands and got my hands of Fluyts and Galleons, which I used to start my late trade post colonies with. Since I started to play in the Americas I tripled my trade income (currently I have 112K per turn) Exportation is booming!

    The setting is all set for a total war setting once more. I declared war on Spain while anticipating Russia's movements...However Spain is hated more then me cause ever ally declared on them. They have Mexico and pueblos in the Americas. Holland, Russia, Denmark, GB and Germany at war with them…they are losing. I have 4 armies in Spain. 1army in Rome moving on Naples. 1 Army in Prussia-Denmark Border. 2 armies in the Prussia-Russia Border. 1 Army moving from Tunis to Morocco and Algiers (Current position taken Morocco & Algiers again, moving to Gibraltar). Spain has large armies in near Madrid. I found 5 full stack armies Guarding Madrid. I have 4 moving in slowly I am waiting for Holland’s 3 full stacked armies to move in as well....if ever they decide to and my Army from Gibraltar after I finish off the encountered Spanish army at Gibraltar, Move the army by sea after I invade Naples.

    Meanwhile my America’s 2 full stacked armies are busy with Quebec as they declared war on me despite being an ally and have taken one of my once Cherokee provinces. GB & Iroquois is helping me with the fight there in Acadia as Quebec quickly seized control of Acadia and Newfoundland and I giving them upper Louisiana quickly found themselves with 4 provinces. I had to ally with the Inuit’s as well. The Current position there is that I have gained control of the lost territory and going offensive. 1 army attacking Upper Louisiana and another one moving through British lands all the way up to Quebec City itself.

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    Oh I forgot to mention that After the Allied wars I attacked bavaria to finish it off and only have Holland, Denmark and Russia to war about Allies going rogue on me.

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    I'm in the year 1790 on m/h. First I did nothing, as usual. Searched only for tech (military and industrial) and built my economy. I allied with Russia on the first opportunity. Then I made a mistake (it was 1715 or so), I joined Hanover in her war against Sweden (both my allies). I thought that Sweden had attacked Hanover but it was the other way round. To complete the mistake I also started war with Hanover to get Denmark from her. The next turn Poland invaded me. Fortunately Russia remained on my side. To my great luck Sweden declared peace (they had nearly ruined my economy with blockades). I destroyed Hanover with great problems (really huge army) and took Gdansk and Warsaw from Poland. Some turns later they accepted my sue for peace. Courland remained at war despite my pleading for peace, so I got rid of her.

    After this a long peaceful time followed. Then I attacked Saxony and Austria declared war but did nothing ever since. I invaded parts of India and allied with Maratha. In 1755 I declared war on the UK (my Indian sepoy army conquered London) to free Scotland and see highlanders after Scotland would have rebelled against me (they did but highlanders never appeared; are highlanders other than Black Watch in the game?). I invaded Morocco and the Pueblo Indians and some German states, mostly from boredom. And so on. I could have easily conquered Europe but why should I?

    The only problematic situation was during my war with Sweden, Hannover and Poland, mostly due to own stupidity and greed.

    The best moment was when my people rebelled and I managed to get rid of the repressive and authoritarian Prussian monarchic government.
    The queen commands and we'll obey
    Over the Hills and far away.
    (perhaps from an English Traditional, about 1700 AD)

    Drum, Kinder, seid lustig und allesamt bereit:
    Auf, Ansbach-Dragoner! Auf, Ansbach-Bayreuth!
    (later chorus -containing a wrong regimental name for the Bayreuth-Dragoner (DR Nr. 5) - of the "Hohenfriedberger Marsch", reminiscense of a battle in 1745 AD, to the music perhaps of an earlier cuirassier march)

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    I was under the impression Prussia was going to be hard, but felt like being reckless and simply went to war with Saxony and Poland immediately. I did make peace with Poland again, but by 1712 I had almost all of my victory conditions and all the German states had declared war more or less one after the other; it got a little hairy when Austria joined in and I couldn't afford any building upgrades until 1710, but I was destroying a stack or two of opposing armies a turn for a while there. Other than the constant razing of my schools it wasn't all that bad.

    Presumably as a consequence of the expansion modifier to public opinion, knocking over each province made one of its neighbors declare war, so by the end of it I had two full armies of rank 3+ line infantry and 8 star generals carving their way to the Rhine. Hannover put up a really good fight -- better than Austria!

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    Hi!

    I started Prussia last night and picked the same enemy, made a nice discovery however.

    Dont declare war on Poland but on SAXONY. The Reason is Poland will help Saxony, as it is their Protectorate, BUT the other allies/protectorates of Poland, Russia and Courland dont enter the war automatically.

    Russia just needs to honor the alliance if his ally Poland is attacked but it seems this way it counts as Poland declaring war on ME, so they are not obliged to help Poland.

    I dont know if they will always stay out of the fight, but this can work.

    I ended with war against Saxony and Poland, but not Russia and Courland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hengist View Post
    Hi!

    I started Prussia last night and picked the same enemy, made a nice discovery however.

    Dont declare war on Poland but on SAXONY. The Reason is Poland will help Saxony, as it is their Protectorate, BUT the other allies/protectorates of Poland, Russia and Courland dont enter the war automatically.

    Russia just needs to honor the alliance if his ally Poland is attacked but it seems this way it counts as Poland declaring war on ME, so they are not obliged to help Poland.

    I dont know if they will always stay out of the fight, but this can work.

    I ended with war against Saxony and Poland, but not Russia and Courland.
    Indeed, but Poland can still ask Russia for help as they declare war. There's a chance that Russia will enter the war on Poland's side anyway, a very good tip regardless.

    You should also take care if Courland enters the war. They proved much tougher than Saxony and were able to out-maneuver me quite effectively for two turns. I had to trade one of my villages for their capitol city in the end, it was worth it though.

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    I agree, I just used that strategy and its working great. After I attacked saxony, poland declared but russia did not. I then sent them a gift of a horse and now they are very friendly towards me.
    And when the brazen cry of achilles
    Was heard among the trojans, all their hearts
    Were troubled, and the full-maned horses whirled
    The chariots backward, knowing griefs at hand...

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    I've decided to take a more passivist role as Prussia (gassp!). I made an alliance with saxony, and friendships with every single neighbor except Austria. I'm doing this because I want to avoid navies for now and focus on land, Austria being a natural enemy and good target. Once I finish my 2 full stacks I'm invading. I'm at year 1715 and have researched ring bayonets, the first firing drill, utilitarianism, bought canister shot (from Gb for $10k), and bought the grenade tech (from sweden for $4k). We'll see how my strategy works in the long run...
    Last edited by Eusebius86; 03-07-2009 at 20:12. Reason: better explanation

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    I would like to warn people that even though it is quite easy to steam roll Poland and capture Warsaw in turn 2 or 3 you get a massive 18 turn penalty to public order in Warsaw(meaning, it starts at -18 and goes towards 0 by 1 per turn).

    I suspect this is because it is a capital city and as such the game simulates the population to be more unruly towards invaders than other cities. Even when exempting them from tax completely and filling up the city completely with troops the public order was in the red for both nobles and workers.

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