The Settlement [Concluded]

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:42

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Fine. I'll give him benefit of the doubt if you want. One round enough for an investigation?

If you need to axe someone, you know where to find a volunteer. But I am very unsure about his innocence and I am sure about mine.

Ares:

on your defense. It shouldn't take 8 minutes to post a role pm without altering it.

I told you my role after you asked for it, It never came to mind before then, had you have asked at the start of the convo, i would haven given then instead

I gave it within 30 seconds of you asking

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 21:42

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 03-13-2009, 21:42

Unvote: Ares
Vote: FactionHeir

Don't like it.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 21:45

Originally Posted by TinCow

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

Ok.

But if he were a mafia, and he had a large role Pm from the host, he could have forged it ahead of time, obviously. Or made very minor edits, that's not hard either. Vote who you like. I think it should be Ares, but massive bandwagons aren't necessary. If town decides to change their mind, we need other people with votes on them. I would say, however, that the Good Men have the ability to seriously mess with the tally, so a close vote is still dangerous. I think several Good Men should abstain.

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 21:45

Originally Posted by 777Ares777

yup, the evidence wasnt as strong as it is on this game, this is a statement, dark vaccum was questionable, and what makes you think my behavior is so predictable?

because of your delays with your role PM, lies about your duel score and your almost feeling guilty and not protesting much, I.E. calmness....

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:47

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

because of your delays with your role PM, lies about your duel score and your almost feeling guilty and not protesting much, I.E. calmness....

since when has a mafia been calm when there being mass voted?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 21:47

Originally Posted by TinCow

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

There is zero evidence that he was framed. That is a baseless assumption and on the wrong side of occam's razor.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

I think he's guilty because the writeup says he was. When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch? At worst, following your line of reasoning will either give ares the victory if he survives, or force the watcher role to reveal. At worst, my line of reasoning gets rid of a huge WIFOM in the late game.

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

As a game host, there is a 0% chance that I would not have given the mafia fake townie role pm's.

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 21:48

Originally Posted by TinCow

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

He just needed to cut off the part about "the Usurpers", Reenk and I got the idea from YLC.....he made a cover role in which, all we had to do was edit out the top or bottom of the Mafia role.....

he fooled me with it on "Whispers in the night"

**Yoyoma1910** · 03-13-2009, 21:51

...

Gentlemen, I have a terrible hangover, and I don't know about all this racket.

It is true that the gentleman known as Ares may have been framed, but it is also quite possible that he is guilty of the murder of this poor, simple farmer. Have any of you a better way of finding the truth than mere speculation?

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:53

chatlog 2

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 21:55

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

There is zero evidence that he was framed. That is a baseless assumption and on the wrong side of occam's razor.

You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch?

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 21:56

We're going to have to be careful with the vote tally given the nature of the game:

Ares: 5 (shlin, sasaki,Ichigo, white_eyes, FactionHeir
FactionHeir: 2 (GH (2))
PizzaGuy: 1(PizzaGuy)

Originally Posted by TinCow

You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not.

Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

"too good to be true" is a fallacy. Mafia have been investigated night one, was that "too good to be true"? Your suggestion that ares being framed would prove he is innocent is also faulty, we don't know enough about the game roles to say that.

Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

Why? I can just as easily say "townies are not framed by the host in the first day write-up".

Essentially you are claiming that a role that can frame people is more likely than a role that can detect a killer. Actually you are claiming that a role that can detect a killer is IMPOSSIBLE which is clearly not true. We almost never find mafia by analysis on day one so Ares is clearly the best choice. Again, read the worst case scenarios.

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 21:56

Ok....everybody knows I have a duel score of two....so no harm in revealing now, right?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Hello White_eyes:D, thanks for playing

Quote:
Farming is the eternal war continuously being waged by mankind against the relentlessly invading hordes of the evil plant kingdom.

Definition of farming
You are a Farmer

Background:

In the beginning the gods/mods decided to create a game. A mortal multiplayer on-earth role playing game called Life. So they created the Earth. Then they created the factions that would inhabit the Earth. On the one hand there were the plants, a faction of seemingly passive warriors who overwhelmed others with their sheer numbers. On the other hand there were the animals, who were much less stationary and much less numerous than the plants.

The animals at first were seriously nerfed, with only some among them being able to cause minimal damage the plants by grazing attacks. What was worse was that animal poop was plant food! For a long time, the plants pwned the animals. Plant spamming was a frequent complaint to the gods/mods.

Obviously the game was unbalanced so the gods/mods decided to introduce a new animal class: the human. The human was the most dangerous animal yet. However, the human had a long learning curve so for quite some time the plants had an easy time pwing the human players who were all noobs at that point. Their gathering attack was even less effective against the plants than the other animals' grazing attack.

Eventually however, some clans playing on certain maps unlocked a new package: the farmer. For the first time, the humans began to turn the tide against the plants, much to the chagrin of the latter who accused the humans of h4x. Now that the basic techniques of farming have been honed the learning curve is gone and over 70% of players now choose to be farmers.

Beware, however, as the gods/mods are rumored to introduce a new expansion pack called Urbanization which will nerf the farmer and force him to the margins of Life! Luckily the release date is a long time away. Until then, you will continue to rack up the points as a farmer. You did have to find a new server though, as you got banned from your old one.

Battle Rating:

2 - You don't have any type of military training and are dirt poor (actually you have a lot of dirt...) but you are ripped from toiling the fields all day and you can swing a mean hoe.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)

**GeneralHankerchief** · 03-13-2009, 21:56

Originally Posted by TinCow

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

QFT.

Besides, if we just blindly lynch Ares then that's a round where the mafia can slip by without any repercussions. Like FactionHeir.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 21:58

I'll be back in several hours. Recommend Ares for the lynch, or unless there's compelling evidence against someone else, myself to spare a pro-town role.

I am very much operating under the assumption many of you have pro-town roles. As a matter of fact, I think we have more than one pair of masons, from a private convo I had. But I could have misinterpreted the comment.

Further conversation with ares: (spoilered and not particularly useful information)

Ares has the unfortunate habit of making the chat log unreadable.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Reposted with permission from Ares.

I don't get it. An investigation would prove him innocent, yet he seems reluctant to even accept my help. That doesn't fly with me. I don't care who you lynch, but he needs to be investigated or lynched soon. I gotta run, I also volunteer for the investigation or lynch, to squelch any rumors I am guilty.

Still recommend him for the lynch, just offering alternatives.

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:59

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Ok....everybody knows I have a duel score of two....so no harm in revealing now, right?

Are you silly? mafia now have you as there next target, with the complications in this game i bet they'll eat roles like that for breakfast

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 22:01

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Are you?
Aries777777 says:
so why would i kill a fellow townie?

I used an emotion between these two that signified 'yes' before anyone picks it out and kills it....

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 22:01

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???

It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....

Originally Posted by My Role PM

Hello White_eyes:D, thanks for playing

Originally Posted by Ares role PM

Quote:
Your mother reminds me of the most just socio-economic ideal: every worker gets a share!

Laborer inside joke

It just starts with a quote....no, "hello Ares"

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 22:01

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

edit: and yes, he's telling the truth bout the emoticon, but it shouldnt matter.

edit 2: below, Yoyoma: Good theory.

**Yoyoma1910** · 03-13-2009, 22:01

Here's a thought:

pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 22:04

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???

It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....

I think you nailed him there

My role pm contains a greeting. It looks like ares's pm had a greeting, then his mafia role pm, then a fake townie pm. He quoted the fake townie pm but not the greeting

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 22:05

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

pevergreen kept talking about the onion because he was in character. He's playing a doddering old man. Several of his quotes were taken directly from Grandpa Simpson. That's why I replied with my comment about wolves, it was also a reference to Grandpa Simpson. This is the quote from The Simpsons:

We can’t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell ‘em stories that don’t go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 22:07

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

Here's a thought:

pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

Wow.....Respect for Yoyoma up by +1....

that sounds about right....its the smoking gun right there.....but pevergreen can confirm that, right? it is not a rule breaking thing??

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 22:07

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???

It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....

It just starts with a quote....no, "hello Ares"

it does but i didnt class it as part of the pm

Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing

was my initial greeting from him

**GeneralHankerchief** · 03-13-2009, 22:08

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I think you nailed him there

My role pm contains a greeting. It looks like ares's pm had a greeting, then his mafia role pm, then a fake townie pm. He quoted the fake townie pm but not the greeting

Confirmation bias, Sasaki. I still have my doubts.

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 22:08

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

pevergreen can confirm that, right? it is not a rule breaking thing??

This is accurate. Post-mortem reveals are allowed in this game. It should be a simple matter for pevergreen to tell us whether he had a power that would reveal his killer.

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 22:10

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

Here's a thought:

pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

good theory

**Yoyoma1910** · 03-13-2009, 22:11

Originally Posted by 777Ares777

good theory

Well, if pever reveals this to be the truth, then we know for sure.

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 22:13

Originally Posted by 777Ares777

it does but i didnt class it as part of the pm

Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing

was my initial greeting from him

That is a pretty BIG over site.....ATPG can you confirm if Reenk greeted you in your PM or not??

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 22:13

A townie that reveals his killer would be extremely unlikely if you ask me. To powerful a role.

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Confirmation bias, Sasaki. I still have my doubts.

I did fall victim to confirmation bias with my last post...the leaving off the greeting is unlikely as a townie but not proof of guilt. However, it is one more stick on the fire.

I also wouldn't mind seeing FactionHeirs defense of that post of his.

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