The Settlement [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL I love the quote.

[taka]

well reenk does indeed come up with some awesome stuff

[Jolt]

Is it my impression, or does it seem like the background of the Role PM seems to be quite forged? Furthermore, a Merchant with 6 (Even if it was an old war veteran)?? Heck, the Watcher was an elite warrior, and he didn't take up another trade. He was a warrior up until the time he came to the settlement. Supposedly, your warrior was being a merchant for quite some time now. How that racks up a 6 (Being able to duel my character) is beyond me. I'd already say a 5 is over-exagerated.

[White_eyes:D]

Is it my impression, or does it seem like the background of the Role PM seems to be quite forged? Furthermore, a Merchant with 6 (Even if it was an old war veteran)?? Heck, the Watcher was an elite warrior, and he didn't take up another trade. He was a warrior up until the time he came to the settlement. Supposedly, your warrior was being a merchant for quite some time now. How that racks up a 6 (Being able to duel my character) is beyond me. I'd already say a 5 is over-exagerated.

I second this.....Mine is crappy....it's at shlin dual score.... weird how he has such a high score.....

[Askthepizzaguy]

How much you want to bet it's as fake as mine?

[taka]

guess the watcher wasn't elite-enough

dunno, i thought 6 wasnt that much to be honest at first, since pifsu (or whatever the name) has 10. i'm assuming the ratings are out of 10, and 6 /10 isnt that great. but yea, you guys with 6 seem to be underpowered no? :P gah i dunno, search me :S investigate me, whatever. i accepted the duel and i'm gonna die anyway

but im not the only merchant with a base rate of 1, saw some post a while back with a 2? and someone said a 4? bleh

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am overwhelmed.

[Lord Winter]

If taka is scum it makes no sense that he would reveal like he did. All the scum have been given fairly normal cover PM's so he would have no need to fake anything.

@Taka Reenk said that the greatest warrior on earth was a 7.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting that Pisuf has a 10. Then again he's not from this world.

[Lord Winter]

Just another reason to kill him soon,

[Jolt]

10 is the maximum. 7 is demi-god like. 6 is for the best warriors in the world (AKA me). So...yeah, 6 is gigantically collosally exagerated for a peace-loving war veteran who doesn't fight in a while.

[taka]

thank you for your rational thoughts lord winter

as with the battle rating: huh? isnt that pisfu person with a 10? well it doesnt make me the strongest anyway. The person we need to look for is the person with the 7 battle rating as standard. i think he is the daemon and it would make sense to think that.

now, i'm actually wondering if pisfu is iffo under disguise of a daemon. why was he casted out as a god?

[Captain Blackadder]

Taka I know this is bringing something on from another game I noticed in the psycho mafia at the end you said that this was your first time as a pro town role does this mean here you are anti town?

[taka]

no, i am a townie (hence: Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)). and plus psycho started before this so time-wise it was the first time i was a pro-town.

edit

im surprised no one has bashed me yet. seems to me that iffo is keeping his head low.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

If you are Iffo, taka, we can hardly expect you to suicide.

If you are not Iffo, we can hardly expect Iffo to bother with you on the chopping block.

Lynching Arach once is correct. Lynching him twice may be even better -- but he deserves to continue his effort to prove we shouldn't.

Blackadder, you have yet to accept? Does the thought of crozier leave you in fear?

[Captain Blackadder]

Sorry about that I thought I had

Accept Seamus

[_Tristan_]

Vote : Count Arach

Pisuf has to be kept in line

[boudica]

I am all in favour of bringing CountArach one step closer to mortality - he is an overpowered serial killer and should be treated as such.

vote: CountArach

Now here's why I lost sleep last night over this (most excellent ) game:
It has already been noted that White_Eyes:D claim of being able to 'reseal' - as he puts it - the demon Iffo is far from convincing.

Yesterday I thought that his claim to be the Watcher's Apprentice would explain his eagerness to challenge ATPG back on day 1: It made sense to me that he would want to demonstrate his strength and pro-towniness (although why such a strong pro-town role would want to kill indiscriminantly on day 1 clearly got my subconscious in a tangle), but then I woke up at 4 am this morning (curse you Reenk! and curse this most excellent game!) with the clue at the forefront of my mind and that he was challenging on day one for a very different reason.

As soon as I remembered one simple precedent regarding White_Eyes:D playing style; the rest of the holes in his story quickly became more obvious.

In YLC's game Dark Vacuum, White_Eyes:D was made an easy lynch on Day 1 - he even voted for himself - and this was because he had a very basic townie role with no special powers. I put it to you that he was keen to challenge Askthepizzaguy on Day 1 for the very same reason.

In support of my suspicions:

1) In Little Grizzly's Watcher Role PM it specifically stated that he - The Watcher - was the ONLY one of Reenks Bronze companions to be dwelling amongst the settlers in order to root out the usurpers. White_Eyes:D may claim that he is not a 'Bronze Companion' per se, but his use of the warrior smiley () in his 'reveal' kind of implies that he was happy to use that image to strengthen his claim as The Watcher's Apprentice

& 2) If Little Grizzly had an apprentice then he would surely be aware of it!

White_Eyes:D has been very indiscriminate with his accusations ever since Iffo was released and has consistently attempted to reinforce his value to town because of his amazingly vague night time powers.

More likely they will ally..... I will need to pull out my trick for this one.....(Can't have Pisuf Ally with Iffo....good thing I was still around...)

I would bet my whole 2 groats on the fact that he began the game as a basic townie role - farmer, beggar, potter - take your pick - and that possession by Iffo has been the first exciting thing to happen to him all game.

I would move that CountArach challenge White_Eyes:D (unless he wants to do town a favour and confess...???) as I suspect possession by a demon strengthens a chap - even if he's only usually used to wielding a hoe.

Basically - If White_Eyes:D turns out to be The Watchers' Apprentice - then I'm Mickey Mouse

[Sigurd]

Battle Rating:

6 – You are a veteran. Your military training, natural talent of with weapons, years of battle experience and war victories has hardened you to be one of the best warriors of the land. Very few can match your skill – even after leaving the battlefield.

Note: Because you hate killing and bloodshed, you may not issue any challenges. However, you may accept challenges as your defence.

I don't know. Combining the fact that this game has few rules and Reenk drawing inspiration from Midgard, I am a little reluctant to jump on board the "taka is guilty" boat.

I had the sick pleasure of tailoring the role PMs individually so that it would certainly get players in trouble should they reveal. A combination of intentional misspellings and several PM designs for each role got a few players in trouble.

The of with in taka's role could be such an intentional misspelling. Or it could be taka changing his PM and forgot to remove clues to deleted information.

[WIFOM]
I get the feeling that there are multiple levels of deception going on and I am out of the loop.
I am on an island of solitude
[/WIFOM]

[White_eyes:D]

I already addressed all of that boudica....

One, Pisuf could have killed me....I didn't want that and could give early warning to town, that Pisuf is SK(which we know anyway)....if "The Watcher" lost....what chance does his apprentice have??? Two, Being his apprentice, I have no really good ability's other then stopping Iffo....I tried investigating Andres on night one....and I got his Merchant cover role...I also investigated CB on night two and got his Priest cover role...after all that, I figured investigating is worthless, since I will never get a "real result" (My role is pretty humorous compared to LG's....it's like I idolized "The Watcher" but never was nearly as good ).

I never said I was in Reenks Bronze companions....I said I was more a VERY big fan of "The Watcher" for some reason. I know how Iffo was tricked into a contract of charity, thanks to being a fan who hears of all "The Watchers" deeds....which is why I know how to reseal him.."The Watchers apprentice" is more of a joke for my guy who has a worser dual score then a farmer.......

[White_eyes:D]

Challenge:boudica Let's settle this on a soil field....If I am Iffo as you say...it should be clear I will win(since my dual score sucks)....but if you are Iffo then you well refuse for fear of being resealed....

[Andres]

I have something to say.

Ahem...

*cough*

Hmmm...

*cough*

Rrrrhmmm...

*hatchie!* *cough* *cough*

Here it comes, put it into spoilers, because it's long:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

taka's role pm is fake! He's almost certain to be an usurper! Lynch taka!!!!

That is all. Oh, and make sure CountArach dies, but I think it's less important than lynching taka.

[Sigurd]

I have something to say.

taka's role pm is fake! He's almost certain to be an usurper! Lynch taka!!!!

That is all

Why do you think so?

[Andres]

Why do you think so?

You'll have to blindly trust me on that.

[TinCow]

I completely agree with boudica on the problems with W_E's story. I urge everyone to read her post. I'll also add the following: what are the odds that W_E would have a role that doesn't even become useful until Iffo is released, when Iffo's role in itself doesn't become useful until The Watcher is released? That seems like one step too far on the role balancing.

While I am loathe to abandon the suspicion on CB, if I had to pick one and only one suspect for Iffo at this point, I would pick White_eyes:D.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

White_eyes is clearly avoiding posting his role pm.

[boudica]

I completely agree with boudica on the problems with W_E's story. I urge everyone to read her post. I'll also add the following: what are the odds that W_E would have a role that doesn't even become useful until Iffo is released, when Iffo's role in itself doesn't become useful until The Watcher is released? That seems like one step too far on the role balancing.

While I am loathe to abandon the suspicion on CB, if I had to pick one and only one suspect for Iffo at this point, I would pick White_eyes:D.

I don't necessarily think White_Eyes:D is Iffo - I just think that his Watcher's Apprentice claim is nonsense. Given Capt. Blackadder's posted message from Sasaki, I would still say CB is the most likely suspect for Iffo. Maybe White_Eyes:D simply invented his role to make himself seem more useful to town than - what I deduce - is a vanilla common man role. Not sure why you would challenge me White_Eyes:D, but I guess its just a knee-jerk reaction to my comments on you. If I were to accept and you ARE the townie I think you are then Pisuf, Iffo and any Usurper aligned roles still lurking around would be laughing into their hats watching two common men dook it out in the mud - weakening town's voting strength.

reject: White_Eyes:D

I DO understand how duelling will become useful, but I think we have plenty to act apon without me getting my hoe dirty quite yet.

[TinCow]

I don't necessarily think White_Eyes:D is Iffo - I just think that his Watcher's Apprentice claim is nonsense.

The way I see it, W_E is trying to avoid being seen as Iffo by setting himself up as the anti-Iffo. He acts like he's got special information and abilities to fight Iffo, going so far as to invent appropriate sounding words and capitalize them to make them seem more significant. He's gone out of his way to make sure everyone knows he's claiming to be the only person who can stop Iffo, which is totally pointless since he wasn't under threat of lynch and doing so would only have made him a target for Iffo if it was true.

Also worth noting another inconsistency in W_E's role claim. W_E claims he can "Seal" or "reseal" Iffo. That has nothing to do with how he was bound in the first place. Iffo was bound because he signed a contract, kind of a trick of the devil type thing. Why would W_E be "resealing" Iffo, when Iffo was never "Sealed" in the first place?

This is on top of boudica's note that The Watcher was specifically stated to be "the only one of the Bronze Companions who does not reside inside the walls of the priest king's Temple Complex." Yet, W_E claims to be The Watcher's Apprentice. Apprentice has a very specific meaning which indicates a formal training relationship. This would make the Apprentice a Bronze Companion in training and makes it very unlikely that The Watcher's role PM wouldn't mention him in any manner. When confronted with this, W_E then claims he's more of a Watcher Fanboi. Really? Then why is his role title "Apprentice"?

For a while I entertained the notion that W_E was doing this to intentionally make himself a target for Iffo, possibly to spare another townie. I think the odds of that being true are now very slim. W_E is probably Iffo.

[LittleGrizzly]

As much as i like the idea of a fanboy or an apprentice im thinking TC could be right... WE what say you to TC's accusations ?

Though i think we should continue with the CA lynch for today... get him down to one lynch then if we think we have iffo we kill/lynch him next... if the game finishes with CA still alive we owe him an apolgy... if it doesn't every person must vote for him!

[TinCow]

I agree that CA should be today's lynch. I recommend that the blocker go after W_E.