The Settlement [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.

[pevergreen]

I think thats definately his real PM.

Lynch the serial killer.

Poor Reenk...his beautiful game is being destroyed by us.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.

I like this, it reminds me of Kung Fu Mafia.

There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.

Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The most interesting thing about that confession is the battle rating of 0 which ares did indeed slip up on. Goes back to what I was saying earlier about the duels being misleading--if ares had dueled you might think he was weaker than a farmer but in fact the opposite was true.

Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

Why not share the information while it's in your power to do so? He must have known he was going to be lynched. The other possibility is that he tweaked the pm to make himself look like a serial killer when he was actually mafia. Pretty much all he would have to do I think is change "vode" to "Edgar" and delete his partner's name. I would have to reread the starting story to make sure of that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am looking at all the people who were VERY eager to jump on the Ares bandwagon.

Any mafia would love this. there's no reason not to jump on Ares. After all, he is guilty. Now, that's lazy mafia... not bothering to listen to defenses, discussions, or participate in any way but a mindless bandwagon on someone, even if they are guilty.

I'm joining that bandwagon now, because NOW there is no reason not to. But the eagerness to bandwagon is something I have a real problem with. It's lazy and it is a defensive form of play. The best defense is to make sure some poor schmuck gets lynched instead of you, and jump on any reasonable bandwagon.

[Yoyoma1910]

Pizza, you joined the bandwagon like everyone else.


vote:ares

[seireikhaan]

This burgeoning debate between Sasaki and TinCow must not be allowed to distract.
Both have their points and have made mistakes.
We must keep our minds open and listen to reason and fact.
Upon further review of behavior, I feel neither are fakes.

[CountArach]

So does this mean the mafia only gets 1 kill per night phase?

Also khaan, those are poems are just brilliant!

[Yoyoma1910]

pever:


I think you might have been transferred into that stone. Would you mind if I wear you?

[Thermal]

This burgeoning debate between Sasaki and TinCow must not be allowed to distract.
Both have their points and have made mistakes.
We must keep our minds open and listen to reason and fact.
Upon further review of behavior, I feel neither are fakes.

wanna swap roles?

[Thermal]

I like this, it reminds me of Kung Fu Mafia.



Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

What can I say, I'm just a real honest person

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, you joined the bandwagon like everyone else.


vote:ares

I wanted discussion. I wanted a defense. I didn't buy it all at face value like... Sasaki Kojiro.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finger of suspicion: Sasaki Kojiro.

I re-read everything, and everything you did in reaction to the writeup looks closed minded and eager to get someone lynched. And you were awfully eager to see that chat log. You wanted as much evidence as possible to put the nail in his coffin. You were dismissive of everyone who even bothered to point out it wasn't ironclad stuff. Turns out Ares is guilty, sure... but you didn't sound much like a townie to me when you reacted to the news that there was evidence he was guilty. You just ate it up.

Valid perhaps is your reluctance to have people send me information; but it also explains a lot if you're mafia. You don't want the masons to have more info, do you?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=337

Sasaki seems absolutely certain this writeup is all the proof in the world. But that kind of certainty should not exist from a townie. Even the other people who bandwagonned Ares wanted to hear his defense, and wanted to discuss it. You sound like you wanted to shut down the argument and the discussion; that's my impression anyway.

TinCow defended Ares, and TinCow was wrong. What mafia takes a gamble and defends basically a known criminal? I doubt TinCow is guilty, but I get that vibe from you Sasaki. Not just a vibe, but evidence that you have a single-minded purpose to destroy someone without having a discussion about it, and promoting a massive bandwagon.

Not fair-minded townie behavior.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=351

Sasaki seems to have a vendetta against Ares here. So eager to jump on ANYTHING that makes Ares seem guilty.

TinCow and GH both wanted to thoroughly discuss this one. That is sticking their necks out. Sasaki didn't bother.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=378

"If I were mafia" argument.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=398

Tincow makes good points against you, Sasaki.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=392

Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?




I think we have a prime candidate for a night investigation. Sasaki, you're too good a player to be this single-minded about destroying someone. Seemed most everyone else was trying to think about it, in spite of the massive evidence. You bought and swallowed everything wholesale. I frown on that.

I'd like to hear your reaction to this.

[CountArach]

I wanted discussion. I wanted a defense. I didn't buy it all at face value like... Sasaki Kojiro.

Sasaki voted BEFORE the extra evidence about the role PMs, just based on being told in the write-up. There had been no other evidence suggested about any other person in this thread and as such I wouldn't call it bandwagoning to follow the only lead we might possibly have.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fair enough CountArach, I just want answers to my valid points above.

Not fair-minded townie play.

[Reenk Roink]

I've created a monster...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.

Hmm.



Didn't even bother reading the whole thing, just checked who was dead.

unvote: myself
vote: Ares

I don't believe everything i read in the writeups, but this is convincing stuff.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.

Yeah, and a mafia never voted for a serial killer before.

Not much of a defense, Sasaki. You were too eager, that's the point.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?

Without being committal, this is actually a very good point. I'm pretty sure that in Capo II the people that had cover roles had their fakes first and then the real thing.

[Thermal]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.

I think that was more luck over skill

@CA

Voting against me before finding out about my role pm/'s only shows sasaki's will to destroy me before i even defend myself

[White_eyes:D]

Fair enough CountArach, I just want answers to my valid points above.

Not fair-minded townie play.

I think he was also going with his "Gut feelings" for a first day lynch.... he seemed to think there was a watcher role.....and he was sort of right..pevergreen's ability got Ares....
*tempted to bring up Godfather three*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Without being committal, this is actually a very good point. I'm pretty sure that in Capo II the people that had cover roles had their fakes first and then the real thing.

It's how I do it when I give out fake pm's...

[Thermal]

Not necessarily how others do, that assumption alone leads me to believe you have 2 role pm's yourself

[boudica]

Oi'm not votin' - Oim abstainin'.. courteously
But I better not keep tally, Oim not such a fancy scribe as Mr. Khaan and them others.

[naut]

, everyone stop talking so much. 4 pages!

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

[Thermal]

agreed, he just never shuts up

vote:gaius scribonius curio

[White_eyes:D]

Not necessarily how others do, that assumption alone leads me to believe you have 2 role pm's yourself

Beefy admitted he has two PM roles..... could be over half of the players have fake PMs....ATPG you have one??

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you are a townie, sasaki, I am listening. You know what to do.


Edit: @White_Eyes; apparently you had one role. I have one role. I am betting not everyone has dual roles... just peeps with powerful roles. Especially scummy ones.

[Thermal]

Beefy admitted he has two PM roles..... could be over half of the players have fake PMs....ATPG you have one??

Or it could mean beefy is guilty, a few players having extra roles (supposedly) doesnt account for the majority

[seireikhaan]

Goddamn, stop talking so much.

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Now that wasn't very nice, dear.
With that, shall we wipe the slate clear?