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Blimey mate! An you dis'point me wit 'ow quickly yew threw me to the wolves! Just exposin' me loike that! Not a benefit of the doubt in ya, is it? And yew wonder 'ow quickly I would join the mafiar, wot with arr the townies thinkin' I am anyways. trow me a bone once in a woile, maybe that won't happen!
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Besides, it wasn't true, and while he exposed me as willing to shift alignments if given the chance (not exactly an unpopular choice, mind you...), he also exposed himself as being... well... himself. So we are all a bunch of untrustworthy people, lying through our teeth. If that weren't the case, this game would get awfully boring, awfully fast.22 votes? A record surely? 
ooc: just a quick note to apologise for the crude language I used in one of my in-character posts earlier on. I was rightfully picked up on it by one of the moderators. I can only say in my defence that I never meant to cause offence to anyone. Certain words I used apparently warrant an official Org warning, but I have been spared this time.
Also - I just wanted to say that while i will of course try to refrain from using language that may cause offence; I have also received applause from another player for the role-play writing in the same post... so I must be doing something right
Now I'd better try and catch up with this epic beast...
Also - I just wanted to say that while i will of course try to refrain from using language that may cause offence; I have also received applause from another player for the role-play writing in the same post... so I must be doing something right
Now I'd better try and catch up with this epic beast...
Don't worry boudica, I have had many for saying the letter 'f' accompanied with asterisk, also for creating threads about cows and sheeps (It was a genuine discussion!) moderators like punishing us all with there unquestionable power.
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Didn't get round to voting in the end, first i thought as TinCown that it was too good to be true... whch usually means it isn't true. It seems it was true though... especially with the confession and such...
Personally im against TIN (Towine Information Network) they are quite often infiltrated and end up just getting all the information for the mafia... such groups need to be kept small for it to function effectively...
Its quite tempting to want to get rid of the taxman... if purely for IC reasons... "No more unfair tax burden!"
umm i think thats about everything....
Personally im against TIN (Towine Information Network) they are quite often infiltrated and end up just getting all the information for the mafia... such groups need to be kept small for it to function effectively...
Its quite tempting to want to get rid of the taxman... if purely for IC reasons... "No more unfair tax burden!"
umm i think thats about everything....
Ok - caught up for now and excited about which role's costume Askthepizzaguy is going to be wearing tomorrow.. don't tell me, don't tell me! you're going to be: 'The Lurker' (-as if).
I know it has already been quoted, but:
..did make me laugh. Especially considering the amount of times ATPG had already described his own play as having 'cojones'
In Character:
Outside a small rounded dwelling - constructed predominantly from what appeared to be clumps of straw sticking out of mounds of wet sand: A hastily constructed sign had been painted - which identifying the owners shack as the 'Dog &
'
Once more, around the fire in front of the 'hostelry', several of the men covered in various manure-types, as well as a few of the more amiable 'Good' men (in their fine robes and what not), supped parsnip wine, and munched on the kebabs which had been handed round.
"Did you see 'ow many Branze warrriors it took to finish that big fella off?!!"
"Even Ol' Reenk looked thrown by 'im"
"Wrong 'un fer sure"
"What about the pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Come now sir! surely the thought of any of our settlement fighting one another should appall even the lowest man!"
*doffs cap*
"Why yas milord, but to moi moind, the pizza fella that everyone asks, seemed to be... well.. askin' fer it sir?"
""I know - I were quoite looking forward to seein' im get a kicken"
"Shurrup!"
(-as if).I know it has already been quoted, but:
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..did make me laugh. Especially considering the amount of times ATPG had already described his own play as having 'cojones'
In Character:
Outside a small rounded dwelling - constructed predominantly from what appeared to be clumps of straw sticking out of mounds of wet sand: A hastily constructed sign had been painted - which identifying the owners shack as the 'Dog &
'Once more, around the fire in front of the 'hostelry', several of the men covered in various manure-types, as well as a few of the more amiable 'Good' men (in their fine robes and what not), supped parsnip wine, and munched on the kebabs which had been handed round.
"Did you see 'ow many Branze warrriors it took to finish that big fella off?!!"
"Even Ol' Reenk looked thrown by 'im"
"Wrong 'un fer sure"
"What about the pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Come now sir! surely the thought of any of our settlement fighting one another should appall even the lowest man!"
*doffs cap*
"Why yas milord, but to moi moind, the pizza fella that everyone asks, seemed to be... well.. askin' fer it sir?"
""I know - I were quoite looking forward to seein' im get a kicken"
"Shurrup!"
Oh Lord Priest King Reenk Roink! Please protecteth your loyal servant! Grant me the strength to survive the night and sleep soundly for 12 hours!
*Light shines upon this loyal soldier, and what appears to be a ring of protective light surrounds him... (or is that just a trick of the light?
)*
Now I can sleep in peace... *snores*
*Light shines upon this loyal soldier, and what appears to be a ring of protective light surrounds him... (or is that just a trick of the light?
)*Now I can sleep in peace... *snores*
(Email reposted with permission, basically; boudica asking me why I backed out of the duel)
Response- in my own typical wordy style.
Enjoy your novella?
Bottom line, and I wasn't even leading up to this point, so on a totally different topic:
I backed out of Sasaki's challenge because after his little prank which made us both look rather untrustworthy, I felt that only a townie would take such a blatantly obvious risk with his life. I refuse to be responsible for Sasaki's death in this game, and I told him so in private. Plus I were real upset at the time about something related to the game and I didn't want to be made into a further public spectacle. I don't actually enjoy that, ya know. In spite of appearances.
So for this and many reasons, I didn't see the point. Sasaki said "why are you going to waste a town lynch?" and I said that's basically what you're going to have to do at this point. But it occurs to me that if you fellows and ladies really want me dead, all you have to do is ask.
If say... 5 of you want me dead, just make a note of it in the thread and have Sasaki challenge me again. I don't see the point, beyond proving my innocence, but I'd accept without hesitation and I won't back down to that one. It is the will of the people, after all. I just don't want to throw away townie lives on the whim of one person or even two.
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Response- in my own typical wordy style.
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Enjoy your novella?
Bottom line, and I wasn't even leading up to this point, so on a totally different topic:
I backed out of Sasaki's challenge because after his little prank which made us both look rather untrustworthy, I felt that only a townie would take such a blatantly obvious risk with his life. I refuse to be responsible for Sasaki's death in this game, and I told him so in private. Plus I were real upset at the time about something related to the game and I didn't want to be made into a further public spectacle. I don't actually enjoy that, ya know. In spite of appearances.
So for this and many reasons, I didn't see the point. Sasaki said "why are you going to waste a town lynch?" and I said that's basically what you're going to have to do at this point. But it occurs to me that if you fellows and ladies really want me dead, all you have to do is ask.
If say... 5 of you want me dead, just make a note of it in the thread and have Sasaki challenge me again. I don't see the point, beyond proving my innocence, but I'd accept without hesitation and I won't back down to that one. It is the will of the people, after all. I just don't want to throw away townie lives on the whim of one person or even two.
ooc: I've got no desire to see you two fight - or you and white_Eyes:D - As someone else already pointed out - I think it was Little Grizzley: If the duels DO prove useful to the cause it will be most likely toward the end of the game.
A figure passed the edge of light thrown from the fire outside the Dog and mumbling to himself.
"Is that that pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Yarrr"
"Reckons 'ees 'arrrrd, I reckon"
"Nahhhh - soft as a fresh bun that one"
"Argee-men-tative tho"
"I cud 'ave im no worries!"
"Shurrup! You going to offer im out tomorrah then?"
"Nah."
"Thought so."
"So why do they ask 'im?"
"What"
"Why is 'ee the pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Asks what?"
"I don't know"
"Then what the hell are ye askin' for?"
"Oh Nevermind"
"Buurrrrppp...ah well - Oim orff. Noight noight"
A figure passed the edge of light thrown from the fire outside the Dog and
mumbling to himself."Is that that pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Yarrr"
"Reckons 'ees 'arrrrd, I reckon"
"Nahhhh - soft as a fresh bun that one"
"Argee-men-tative tho"
"I cud 'ave im no worries!"
"Shurrup! You going to offer im out tomorrah then?"
"Nah."
"Thought so."
"So why do they ask 'im?"
"What"
"Why is 'ee the pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Asks what?"
"I don't know"
"Then what the hell are ye askin' for?"
"Oh Nevermind"
"Buurrrrppp...ah well - Oim orff. Noight noight"
......<>...
'scuze me...
<thinks: Who would've thought there'd be THAT much kick in parsnips....might have to change me mind about that noble vegetable>
... [sings]...and did zose sheep, in ain'tshunt times {staggers}...
...
...Wok upon Reenkster's mound-tons grin...
'scuze me...
<thinks: Who would've thought there'd be THAT much kick in parsnips....might have to change me mind about that noble vegetable>
... [sings]...and did zose sheep, in ain'tshunt times {staggers}...
...
...Wok upon Reenkster's mound-tons grin...
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
Post of the year?
Voting ended Jolt, sorry.
Also night orders please.
Hehe, I was struggling myself not to utterly destroy the keyboard I was writting on. Lucky you I managed to have enough patience to write a large amount of words. :PPost of the year?
Voting ended Jolt, sorry.
Also night orders please.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
bah, I don't believe in all that goody-goody stuff. If we were all pure as white eyes, we wouldn't join mafia games to begin with.
I am not "Pure"...bah, I don't believe in all that goody-goody stuff. If we were all pure as white eyes, we wouldn't join mafia games to begin with.
in games like these, you need to lie to win.....but I never like it when someone who has a horde of information, is going to jump ship to a SK/Mafia faction because he "feels" exposed.
Only time I ever jumped ship, was on YLC's "Whispers in the night" and I didn't have a choice....town lynched me over crappy clues..."His eyes we as white as a sheet"
I knew Reenk was up to something that game....
but I dislike it when people jump ship just because they feel exposed....I feel exposed....but would I jump ship??? hard to say....unlikely, since I feel they would be lying.Point is: you go down kicking and screaming for your faction like I always have.....and you will have a good game..
Dang, man! I'll never try to recruit you for mafia, then!
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Please please please get your PM's in on time...
Originally Posted by :
As the sun tucked herself to sleep, the man known as Gaius Scribonius Curio quickly lit all the candles in his house. He was very unnerved by the murder of The Flax who turned out to be a scribe as Gaius Scribonius Curio himself was.
The world could not afford to lose any more scribes. After all who who but scribes could keep the evils of Reading away from civilized society?
Gaius Scribonius Curio went to the only thing that comforted him: writing. He wrote with the quill furiously, knowing he would have to pick up the work of his dead colleague.
His frantic scribbling stopped immediately when a sound was heard at the window. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up a paperweight and cautiously went to investigate. On his windowsill lay a rock covered with a piece of papyrus. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up the rock and slowly peeled the papyrus off which read:
The killer went up to the desk and picked up an ink bottle. Huffing it, he looked at his bloody blade and smiled.
As the sun tucked herself to sleep, the man known as Gaius Scribonius Curio quickly lit all the candles in his house. He was very unnerved by the murder of The Flax who turned out to be a scribe as Gaius Scribonius Curio himself was.
The world could not afford to lose any more scribes. After all who who but scribes could keep the evils of Reading away from civilized society?
Gaius Scribonius Curio went to the only thing that comforted him: writing. He wrote with the quill furiously, knowing he would have to pick up the work of his dead colleague.
His frantic scribbling stopped immediately when a sound was heard at the window. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up a paperweight and cautiously went to investigate. On his windowsill lay a rock covered with a piece of papyrus. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up the rock and slowly peeled the papyrus off which read:
Originally Posted by :
Look behind you
Gaius Scribonius Curio slowly turned his head. At that moment a figure jumped on him, driving a knife deep into his neck. Gaius Scribonius Curio dropped dead, his face forever set in a look of horror.Look behind you
The killer went up to the desk and picked up an ink bottle. Huffing it, he looked at his bloody blade and smiled.
Originally Posted by :
Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.
As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.
How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."
Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"
Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"
The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."
"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."
Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.
Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"
The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."
"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."
The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!
He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.
The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"
"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."
Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.
As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.
How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."
Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"
Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"
The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."
"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."
Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.
Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"
The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."
"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."
The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!
He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.
The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"
"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."
Originally Posted by :
Deep in the Divine Forest the earth goddess watched as her chosen one was killed in such a bizarre manner. Burning with rage she snapped to the sky god: "Destroy that fool!"
OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."
The earth goddess glared angrily...
Deep in the Divine Forest the earth goddess watched as her chosen one was killed in such a bizarre manner. Burning with rage she snapped to the sky god: "Destroy that fool!"
OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."
The earth goddess glared angrily...
Originally Posted by :
Back in the comfort of his house, the nobleman Beefy was pouring over volumes of tax records. They were many years old, but Beefy wanted to make sure that the state had received every grain it had deserved.
His pleasant night was suddenly disturbed as his door exploded and a short man in red robes with a grim looking face entered. Beefy could feel the power radiating from the red robed man and cried out in desperation: My indentured servant! Come out and defend me and I will consider your debt payed off!
A man came running out with a broom to attack the intruder but the red robed man quickly cast an incantation which caused to broom to burst in flames, forcing the servant to drop it. The red robed man then made some movements with his hands which directed the burning broom to beat the servant to death.
Beefy was absolutely terrified at this point, and began to cry and beg for his life. He offered his attacker vast amounts of riches, but the red robed sorcerer of Vode was unmoved. He began to cast another spell, and all the precious metal in Beefy's house began to melt into pools on the floor and converge on Beefy.
Beefy screamed for a long time until the molten gold and silver reached his gaping mouth, and when it was all finished, a shining electrum Beefy stood in the middle of his house, his last moments of pain immortalized in a statue.
As the sun rose from her rest, the settlers quickly gathered together and called role. Realizing that Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro, and Beefy were missing, a sickly feeling came over them. They went to the gathering hall to discuss the murders but CountArach stumbled in a bit late, burping and hiccuping...Back in the comfort of his house, the nobleman Beefy was pouring over volumes of tax records. They were many years old, but Beefy wanted to make sure that the state had received every grain it had deserved.
His pleasant night was suddenly disturbed as his door exploded and a short man in red robes with a grim looking face entered. Beefy could feel the power radiating from the red robed man and cried out in desperation: My indentured servant! Come out and defend me and I will consider your debt payed off!
A man came running out with a broom to attack the intruder but the red robed man quickly cast an incantation which caused to broom to burst in flames, forcing the servant to drop it. The red robed man then made some movements with his hands which directed the burning broom to beat the servant to death.
Beefy was absolutely terrified at this point, and began to cry and beg for his life. He offered his attacker vast amounts of riches, but the red robed sorcerer of Vode was unmoved. He began to cast another spell, and all the precious metal in Beefy's house began to melt into pools on the floor and converge on Beefy.
Beefy screamed for a long time until the molten gold and silver reached his gaping mouth, and when it was all finished, a shining electrum Beefy stood in the middle of his house, his last moments of pain immortalized in a statue.
Challenge List:
Alive:
GeneralHankerchief
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
shlin28
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
Day ends on Tuesday, March 17 at 02:00 Eastern
Hrmmm...Sasaki was killed by a god...This is just like midgard all over again. 
Dunno why Pisuf killed him. Maybe Sasaki had something to do with my death?
There you go ATPG, looks like your tax collector is dead.
Dunno why Pisuf killed him. Maybe Sasaki had something to do with my death?
There you go ATPG, looks like your tax collector is dead.
Thats what too much Role playing does
Thanks for the game Reenk. I shall observe
Thanks for the game Reenk. I shall observe
so we got Various different gods, the tax collector dead quite a few spelling/grammar mistakes
are the write-ups done by reenk himself? or by the killer? it seems unusual of reenk to have so many spelling mistakes
are the write-ups done by reenk himself? or by the killer? it seems unusual of reenk to have so many spelling mistakes
hmm, I was this close to choosing to protect beefy last night. Tax collecter being killed isn't a huge tragedy I guess.
So we have:
The silent killer (knife)
The warrior of vode (ares?), not present tonight, replaced with:
The sorcerer of vode
We also have:
OsiOsi-king of the gods
Klefy--earth goddess
Pisuf--ocean god (ed:perhaps forest)? Big meanie.
Vode--God of war
So we have:
The silent killer (knife)
The warrior of vode (ares?), not present tonight, replaced with:
The sorcerer of vode
We also have:
OsiOsi-king of the gods
Klefy--earth goddess
Pisuf--ocean god (ed:perhaps forest)? Big meanie.
Vode--God of war
Isn't it the least bit odd that the two scribes were offed by what appears the same person? (Judging by the kill method, stab to the neck and then by using various writing tools in ways they were not meant to; smoking papyrus and sniffing ink.)
Three kills tonight, oh yes'm, by all the pie and apple crumble in my kitchen I hereby vote Yoyoma1910. Seems, I might say, you were too busy hitting the sauce two nights ago to perform your devious actions; yes the devious, most horrid action you undertook last night.
I urge the town to vote for TinCow today.
In every game I've played with him, he's taken a very measured and thoughtful approach as a townie:
Take this example from capo II:
Or check out his own description of how he acts as town.
Now look at his response to the writeup that said Ares was guilty:
Sorry for the MASSIVE amount of quotes.
The point is, TinCow defended Ares very energetically, starting almost immediately after the kills were posted (before it was clear Ares would be lynched). Now, anyone who defends someone who turns out to be scum should looked at carefully, but TinCow raises more eyebrows than that because of the contrast it presents with his usual townie style. Despite strong evidence against Ares in the writeup of the host, he was not cautious or measured at all in his defense of him. There are bold claims and logical fallacies throughout his defense. For example:
1) "Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares."
Ares probably being framed would mean that he is possibly innocent. Mafia can frame themselves (unlikely), mafia can frame other mafia (possible), and it could in fact not be a frame at all (likely). And, unless TinCow does not consider himself innocent, he should consider Ares a better lynch than himself.
2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."
There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?
3) "If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery."
Multiple people had stated that they were confidant that reenk would have given the mafia fake claims. So TinCow was either ignoring that deliberately, or not being careful and measured.
Soon after this, Ares posted a confession with a role pm that had him as "edgar's swordsman"
1) Ares was trying to protect TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
2) Ares was trying to frame TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
3) Ares was messing around, or doing something else
Now, this point is wifom. And I'm pretty sure it will be said to be wifom by most of the town. So why not do it if you're mafia, you can just say it's wifom right?
Regardless, that isn't the main point.
************
To summarize, TinCow acted in a manner very unlike how he acts as town (and how he says he acts as town), in defense of a confessed killer. I think I also see signs of him being annoyed with Ares' being revealed in the writeup on the first day, but this is the kind of thing that triggers my gut, not what I'd use as evidence (because the inevitable defense is nuh-uh, and I can't claim to read minds). However, I think if you take a look at his posts you'd see why I think that.
In every game I've played with him, he's taken a very measured and thoughtful approach as a townie:
Take this example from capo II:
Originally Posted by TinCow:
As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.
Or recall his reaction to Tevash's detective claim: calmly ask to see his role pm, withhold further judgment until the next day. Still not posted, recommend lynch. Attention to detail, emphasis on rational arguments.As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.
Or check out his own description of how he acts as town.
Now look at his response to the writeup that said Ares was guilty:
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Sorry for the MASSIVE amount of quotes.
The point is, TinCow defended Ares very energetically, starting almost immediately after the kills were posted (before it was clear Ares would be lynched). Now, anyone who defends someone who turns out to be scum should looked at carefully, but TinCow raises more eyebrows than that because of the contrast it presents with his usual townie style. Despite strong evidence against Ares in the writeup of the host, he was not cautious or measured at all in his defense of him. There are bold claims and logical fallacies throughout his defense. For example:
1) "Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares."
Ares probably being framed would mean that he is possibly innocent. Mafia can frame themselves (unlikely), mafia can frame other mafia (possible), and it could in fact not be a frame at all (likely). And, unless TinCow does not consider himself innocent, he should consider Ares a better lynch than himself.
2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."
There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?
3) "If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery."
Multiple people had stated that they were confidant that reenk would have given the mafia fake claims. So TinCow was either ignoring that deliberately, or not being careful and measured.
Soon after this, Ares posted a confession with a role pm that had him as "edgar's swordsman"
Originally Posted by :
Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword.
pevergreen was killed with a mace, not a sword, and the killer is described as a warrior of vode, not of edgar. So it seems clear that Ares was not being entirely truthful. So:Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword.
1) Ares was trying to protect TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
2) Ares was trying to frame TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
3) Ares was messing around, or doing something else
Now, this point is wifom. And I'm pretty sure it will be said to be wifom by most of the town. So why not do it if you're mafia, you can just say it's wifom right?
Regardless, that isn't the main point.
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To summarize, TinCow acted in a manner very unlike how he acts as town (and how he says he acts as town), in defense of a confessed killer. I think I also see signs of him being annoyed with Ares' being revealed in the writeup on the first day, but this is the kind of thing that triggers my gut, not what I'd use as evidence (because the inevitable defense is nuh-uh, and I can't claim to read minds). However, I think if you take a look at his posts you'd see why I think that.
i buy your arguement, it's logically thought out and backed up with evidence
Vote: Tincow
Vote: Tincow
I'll buy that. You've made him a suspect in my mind.
I'll probably follow Sasaki's lead. I am in his cult, after all. And, I think he's paying more attention to what's happening in-thread; I'm doing too much stuff behind the scenes and my attention is divided. And, I thought he was mafia and it seems clear to me now that he's not. If anything better comes along I'll vote for them, but I'd like TinCow to have a chance to defend himself.
Vote: TinCow as a pressure vote. I reserve the right to change it.
I'll probably follow Sasaki's lead. I am in his cult, after all. And, I think he's paying more attention to what's happening in-thread; I'm doing too much stuff behind the scenes and my attention is divided. And, I thought he was mafia and it seems clear to me now that he's not. If anything better comes along I'll vote for them, but I'd like TinCow to have a chance to defend himself.
Vote: TinCow as a pressure vote. I reserve the right to change it.
Forgot to bold my vote, must of had soup on my mind.
Vote: Yoyoma1910
Vote: Yoyoma1910
Vote: Abstain
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,
Originally Posted by :
2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."
There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?
If I remember Tincow wasn't the only one who defended Ares on the same grounds. GH was weary among a few others. Throw in Ephuses were the town lynched off the write up which was written by the mafia to frame people (and lost badly) and there is reason to be cautious. The fact is Tincow did have reasonable motives to act like he did. Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."
There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?
Originally Posted by Lord Winter:
Vote: Abstain
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,
If I remember Tincow wasn't the only one who defended Ares on the same grounds. GH was weary among a few others. Throw in Ephuses were the town lynched off the write up which was written by the mafia to frame people (and lost badly) and there is reason to be cautious. The fact is Tincow did have reasonable motives to act like he did. Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.
I disagree.Vote: Abstain
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,
If I remember Tincow wasn't the only one who defended Ares on the same grounds. GH was weary among a few others. Throw in Ephuses were the town lynched off the write up which was written by the mafia to frame people (and lost badly) and there is reason to be cautious. The fact is Tincow did have reasonable motives to act like he did. Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.
The accusation wasn't: Tincow is using logic I disagree with, therefore he is guilty. The point was that the way he was defending ares was out of character for tincow. I don't feel that GH was out of character.
Second, Tincow defended Ares right out of the gate. He had no way of knowing that ares would be lynched or that popular opinion would be so against him. Mafia do defend their partners, because it isn't suicide.
Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.
Originally Posted by Lord Winter:
Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.
Because he's an experienced player, and the opposite effect happened. I defended TinCow for playing risky. I think a number of people were on TinCow's side for questioning the blindness of the bandwagon. And it seems the mafia are numerous or growing, so it seems to me that TinCow could afford to take such a risk.Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.
I don't want to say WIFOM, but... it could be WIFOM. That said, I encourage abstain votes and also votes on other suspects, so TinCow can explain himself.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
Because he's an experienced player, and the opposite effect happened. I defended TinCow for playing risky. I think a number of people were on TinCow's side for questioning the blindness of the bandwagon. And it seems the mafia are numerous or growing, so it seems to me that TinCow could afford to take such a risk.
I don't want to say WIFOM, but... it could be WIFOM. That said, I encourage abstain votes and also votes on other suspects, so TinCow can explain himself.
Because he's an experienced player, and the opposite effect happened. I defended TinCow for playing risky. I think a number of people were on TinCow's side for questioning the blindness of the bandwagon. And it seems the mafia are numerous or growing, so it seems to me that TinCow could afford to take such a risk.
I don't want to say WIFOM, but... it could be WIFOM. That said, I encourage abstain votes and also votes on other suspects, so TinCow can explain himself.
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
I disagree.
The accusation wasn't: Tincow is using logic I disagree with, therefore he is guilty. The point was that the way he was defending ares was out of character for tincow. I don't feel that GH was out of character.
Second, Tincow defended Ares right out of the gate. He had no way of knowing that ares would be lynched or that popular opinion would be so against him. Mafia do defend their partners, because it isn't suicide.
Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.
I was arguing that Tincows defense of Ares was a normal action for him. His defense was not triggered by Ares's defense but instead by the way we got the information. It is perfectly within Tincows character to question the information in the write up, especially with certain past games were a blind following of the write up lead to a towns defeat. The fact that Tincow defend Ares's right out of the gate further supports that his defense was based off of the delivery of the information. Questioning something that is too good to be true is normal behavior.I disagree.
The accusation wasn't: Tincow is using logic I disagree with, therefore he is guilty. The point was that the way he was defending ares was out of character for tincow. I don't feel that GH was out of character.
Second, Tincow defended Ares right out of the gate. He had no way of knowing that ares would be lynched or that popular opinion would be so against him. Mafia do defend their partners, because it isn't suicide.
Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.
Originally Posted by :
Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.
IIRC he was voting based on writing style not content, two completely different things.Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.
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