The Settlement [Concluded]

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-16-2009, 18:49

That won't be necessary. Seireikhaan has convinced me to duel him.

Accept: Seireikhaan

No further votes on me will be needed. I will not reject this challenge unless Seireikhaan asks me to do so. I am sure I will die tonight.

(Seireikhaan, proper format is Challenge: Askthepizzaguy)

**GeneralHankerchief** · 03-16-2009, 18:51

Vote: ATPG

This is purely out of protest that you continue to insist that you hold as much information as possible about the rest of us privately. Yes, yes, I know your defense. I'm sticking to my position.

Also, I don't want FH to slide by either.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-16-2009, 18:53

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: ATPG

I think it's silly to waste your vote on me now. Seireikhaan has a reasonable chance of killing me tonight in a duel. But do as you like.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-16-2009, 19:06

I will have to reconsider my accusation of TinCow. His actions are still not his usual townie self, but I think I was overeager to attach that to his defense of Ares. They aren't necessarily connected and I haven't given enough thought to alternative explanations. I would say to unvote TinCow.

*****

Yoyoma was roleblocked night one, and then there was an extra kill night 2. I don't see this as suspicious. If I was roleblocked I would not kill the next night for sake of revealing myself, and this Pisuf character does not seem to be your standard killer. We don't know what role he plays in this.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-16-2009, 19:10

unvote: Yoyoma1910
vote: Abstain

Sigh... until we find a better suspect.

**TheFlax** · 03-16-2009, 20:05

I know my reply is a bit late coming, but I'd like to delve more on the gods.

First off I'll address TinCow's analysis of the gods and then I'll make my own.

Originally Posted by TinCow

Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:

OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

I disagree strongly with the above assessment of Kefy and Pisuf.

In the case of Kefy, the quoted sentences used to "prove" she is evil and an ally of Vode doesn't actually mean much. Both gods are only linked by the fact they complain when their mortal servants are foiled (and presumably killed), that does in no way mean they share the same objectives.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

This part of the write up leads me to believe Kefy may be the mate/wife of OsiOsi, but that's only a theory. Taken in another sense, it could just mean she and OsiOsi share a similar attitude or personality. This links her as much to OsiOsi as to Vode (if not more), if we follow TinCow's argument above. Furthermore, it is revealed here that Kefy is the goddess of the earth, so she is probably some sort of earth mother/nature goddess. From these two assessments, I tend to believe that Kefy is either neutral, as in uncaring of the settlement, or good, which jives with the idea of Sasaki Kojiro having a doctor role.

Now, Pisuf. We don't have much information, but I don't believe he is pro-town just because pevergreen revealed Ares. Remember pevergreen's reveal after he had died:

I am the village idiot! I ask lots of questions and annoy people a lot. They try to kill me before the god Pisuf takes me away and puts me somewhere else, thus continuing the cycle. This time, Pisuf got his powers taken away by the other gods, so being his chosen one doesnt help anymore (He considered me the greatest human alive)

And now recall the way in which Pisuf killed Sasaki Kojiro. (reposted here for your convenience)

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Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.

As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.

How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."

Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"

Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"

The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."

"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."

Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!

He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."

Pisuf is likely some sort of god of chaos. His chosen one is a village idiot who annoys people with random questions. The method Pisuf chose to kill seemed also to have been chosen not only to negate Sasaki Kojiro's healing ability, but also for humor. (While other kills were more straightforward.) Pisuf may be some sort of trickster (uses shapeshifting, then again, in more than a few mythos many gods did) or even mischievous, but I doubt he is either "good" or "evil".

As for this line from OsiOsi:

You know I have little love for Pisuf

This to me confirms Pisuf as some sort of chaotic god. OsiOsi as king of the gods dislikes chaos and is a proponent of order. By saving Reenk Roink, OsiOsi enforces the rules he has set upon the other gods:

In the Forest of the Gods, the god of wars and foreign peoples watched with a tinge of disappointment as the priest king Reenk Roink continued to walk about the earth. He turned to the god of the sky and questioned: "Why did you save him?"

OsiOsi, the king of the gods replied: "It is not for you to affect a matter that I have forbidden to the gods. You know well enough that you must act through your followers. If you plot anything Vode, know well that I also plot, and I am the best plotter."

What nags me though is why Pisuf is allowed to meddle directly? If OsiOsi has ruled that the gods must act through their follows, why is he opposed to punishing Pisuf for directly killing Kefy's follower? Perhaps Pisuf's actions fall into OsiOsi's greater plan or something like that. For now, we can only speculate on the matter.

I think I'm going to stop here for now, as this post is turning to be pretty long without also analyzing OsiOsi and Vode. I think most of us agree on their respective roles anyways. As for TinCow's theory that the gods are in fact each players, I'm really not sure at this point. It could be just as much as it could not be...

**Yoyoma1910** · 03-16-2009, 20:12

I personally imagine a goddess of nature would not want people settling in her land.

**Jolt** · 03-16-2009, 20:47

My thoughts: Well several things. I still give TinCow the benefit of doubt. If Ares wasn't innocent (Which is basically proven he was not), there might have been one less kill today, yet we now have 3 kills today, so it might have been that Ares was innocent (But he confessed so that chance is out). So, TinCow's odd defence of a confessed SK still remains (Maybe he's his partner? But that would be suicidal since Ares was already doomed and his confession would greatly shift the blame to TinCow, however most people seem to think that TinCow wouldn't do such a strategy as being too risky. I don't know. If TinCow is Ares' partner and we let him go, it basically means he might have a "Get Out of Lynch" card until late game). Sasaki has been the man who I have shared my views with, the most. While I wouldn't press for his lynching (Heck, he might have defended Ares out of his chance for being framed) and would continue giving him the benefit of doubt for another day, Sasaki's attack seems to make him follower of some kind of evil god (Or one which takes attacks on its followers very seriously), I don't know what to make of him. Quite possibly he's innocent? Now the most odd behaviour I have been seeing is of ATPG. It has been quite strange that beefy (Who was the Tax Collector) was the man who ATPG wanted murdered. Odd enough, ATPG and his colleague whoever he is, got to know that beefy was the Tax Collector, but they (Who originally wanted him dead) were protecting him (Why?). Then he ends up dead, as ATPG said he wanted and he quickly dismissed himself from having had anything to do with his death, and hints at the blame being with his colleague, which also remains hidden. Then he begins once again on his trek of Challenging, Accepting and Rejecting duels. If anything ATPG, you're only serving to confuse the townies greatly. I was gonna vote abstain, but your behaviour is too confusing to be of benefit to the town. You claim to be town, but you continually try to remain secret of everyone related to you, which coincidentally might be Mafia (Considering you aren't, which is a long shot as well)

Vote: ATPG

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-16-2009, 20:56

Gah!

I'm dead in the duel tonight, which I accepted and will not reject. What is your response to that? No benefit of the doubt at all, huh? No other suspects besides me, eh? If you want to waste a vote on me, go right ahead.

Here; unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

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**Thermal** · 03-16-2009, 18:52

oh yeah so i was mafia and my mafia buddies were reenk, ares number 2 and and him, yes him!

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**Yoyoma1910** · 03-16-2009, 18:53

No, I demand justice.

I will not waist my vote on a man who may or may not have blood on his hands, instead I shall retain my vote against thee, in case you are as strong a deceiver as you have already proven yourself.